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YourHarry
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On August 18 2012 18:09 thrawn2112 wrote: FOS yourharry Yourharry has a long track record of posting one liners. One liners are likely to come from scum, as the scum can appear active and even appear to be scumhunting without saying anything of substance for the town to analyze. I have gone through his filter and quoted all his one liners. I tried not to include posts that shouldn't be relevant, such as asking mods questions and things like that. There are several posts I didn't include that were very short but at least were composed of more than a single sentence Do you think I specifically need those one liners to appear to be scum hunting and active? Really?? And flip-flopping of my votes is just reflection of my changing reads on people. Some of my suspicions could have come from gut feeling, but I think I can explain most of my flip flops. I will do it later if people ask me to. I will be back later. Hopefully we'd get some posts from the lurkers. Z-boson, Ochrow, and Solar need to post more. | ||
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YourHarry
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I actually thought the rest of my post was pretty reasonable. If you disagree with the content of my post, please point it out, as you did by pointing it out the possibility that SK may not quickly dismiss vig claim, to disguise himself from looking like a SK. I feel it is unfair to dismiss rest of my post because you disagree with my first part of the post. And as for the purpose of the post, I thought I had a pretty grasp on who the SK may be. So I wanted to share that information. And you say that if Thrawn is vig, I am 100% scum. I don't think Thrawan is vig, but let's suppose that he is vigilante. What does scum Harry have to gain by trying to confirm Thrawn's alignment based on tonight's actions. Also, looking back on Day 1, why would scum Harry make himself so suspicious by preferring to lynch Archrun or even Shady, when scum Harry knew that Thrawn lynch would be just fine? To me, mislynch in Archrun, Shady, or Thrawn would have been just fine. On the other hand, it was because I had a strong scum read on Archrun, that I wanted to defend Thrawn. | ||
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YourHarry
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On August 19 2012 08:18 goodkarma wrote: YourHarry, please explain your flip-flops. Thanks  .My initial suspicion on Thrawn was based on what I thought were Thrawn's wishy washy posts. It was low content post, partially to get the discussion going. Similar with my suspicion on Solar. Agreed with Shady's case on Solar, especially the part where Solar talked about how it must be scared to play the game as scum. It may sound stupid, but I felt Solar was expressing his fear of playing as scum. I admit, low content but reinforced by my gut feeling that Solar and Thrawn were scum together. Sometimes this can't be helped. Also, to get the discussion going in the early game. My dismissal of Solar being scum. My mist interpretation of Goodkarma. I strongly believed that Solar and Goodkarma were mason buddies. Was wrong. Which made me suspect whoever seemed to be attacking Solar. Mkfuba wasn't even attacking Solar. So it was stupid for me to accuse Mkfuba, but I did because of my paranoia in thinking that Mkfuba was preparing subtle plans to incriminate Solar. Mkfuba who later explained that he was defending Solar, made me think he was being sneaky. Attacking of Goodkarma. Once I realized that GK and Solar were not mason buddies, it made me think that GK somehow knew Solar was town. Made me suspect GK. Everyone else disagreed. Voting of Shady. I was at work and only skimmed through. Chose Shady over Thrawn, because Thrawn's defense against Shady made logical sense to me. Did not particularly think Shady was scummy, but at the time it looked like only choices were Thrawn or Shady. The last part is arguable. Voting of Archrun. I had strong read on this, based on Archrun saying that exactly one of Thrawn or Shady is scum. Based on experience. Strong defense of Thrawn. Because I thought Archrun was for sure scum. This made me think Thrawn was for sure town, because ARchrun wanted to lynch Thrawn and Shady. Night post from Thrawn made me think he was blue role. So I quickly believed Thrawn's vig claim. Upon re-evaluation and taking into account that Archrun flipped town, I had to get rid of my initial town read on Thrawn. And when Thrawn denied his breadcrumb post, made me think why did vig not leave a breadcrumb post. It followed that Thrawn had to wait until the SK kill was apparent, before he could ever claim. Also the fact that I think in the same "breadcrumb" post, Thrawn discouraged the detective to check him out. So now pretty strong scum read on Thrawn. | ||
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YourHarry
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On August 19 2012 13:10 goodkarma wrote: @YourHarry: Now that you're back, would you mind taking a few moments to share your read on Ochrow? You've been very vocal about others, but I've heard hardly anything about him from you. OK. He hasn't posted much, and can I talk about my theories regarding him. I have had so much suspicion on me for being wrong about my assumptions, but I have an alignment-related theories. I guess it should be OK because I could be wrong and scums may not believe me anyway or if they believe me they may be wrong. | ||
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YourHarry
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I have a town read on him. I don't know if Ochrow was scum with Thrawn, he would NOT have coordinated such similar ideas with Thrawn. Maybe WIFOM, but I think it is just as likely that their similar postings were coincidence. | ||
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Stutter wrote:I'm going to go through filters and draw up some better cases after I run to the store, but just some food for thought. I'd wager that if Thrawn is actually Vig, YH is scum 100%. | ||
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First, me thinking that GK and Solar are masons. You are right, that it would be more difficult for town to make that read because town may have thought that GK and Solar are scums together. But I did, also. I explain it in my earlier explanation. And while making that assumption that GK and Solar are probably not scums together could be WIFOM, wouldn't you say it is understandable for a townie to think "Hmm, I doubt scum GK would defend scum Solar so openly because it would be too obvious that the other is scum, if one of them flips red." And if I was scum, why would I have withdrawn my suspicion on Solar - unless Solar is my scum partner. If scum Harry thought that he identified two mason brothers, would he have not kept it a secret and maybe target one of them at night... instead of withdrawing suspicion on Solar - unless Solar is my scum buddy. And if scum Harry was doing this simply to earn some town points, would he not more readily revealed his read that GK and Solar are masons - instead of waiting, despite much suspicion, until it became apparent that they were not masons? | ||
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YourHarry
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On August 19 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote: OMFG you are doing it AGAIN?!?!? Seriously YH? what is wrong with you. Once again hinting at outside information or making a pants on head retarded read. and not telling us. What town motive could there be in not sharing this info? What possible read could you get from ochrows non-existent filter? I am assuming you are hinting a blue read.  I think about a lot about these things, OK. Maybe it's my imagination. It's just that none of us are currently a blue role, I went through different blue roles on page 1 to see which one fits who. I think it's stupid. Please, just ignore it. | ||
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YourHarry
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I also defended him when like 4 players in a row were accusing him. At the time, the implication of Archrun flipping town was not incorporated in my head. Why would I try so hard to defend my scum buddy seems to be hopeless. And it may look like I am trying to bus Thrawn because I switched my suspicion to him, it also made sense from my perspective. Upon re-evaluating, I realized that Thrawn was scummy. | ||
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YourHarry
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On August 19 2012 14:09 DarthPunk wrote: Too much WIFOM. I think you already know this. But it makes the majority of this post meaningless. But if it is WIFOM, then why does it make me scummy? Shouldn't it be a null tell? If it is possible for a townie to make that connection, I could either be town or scum? | ||
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YourHarry
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You accuse me for defending Thrawn, because scum Harry would defend Thrawn. But even if I were to bus Thrawn in the beginning of Day 2, you could have made the case that scum Harry is simply defending his scum partner. Similarly, if it is possible for scum Harry to continue to defend Thrawn, despite others being suspicious, because busing would have made Harry suspicious - "he is simply trying to bus afterall" | ||
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I know Thrawn and Darth scum team would be surprising, because of how hard Darth has been accusing Thrawn. But this can be explained because Thrawn flipping scum may almost confirm Darth as town. This may have been their initial plan, and Thrawn's distancing of Golbat can be classified as similar strategy. Sacrifice one scum to mislead town to believe Golbat and Darth are townies. Also, one of my initial town read on Darth based on his claiming roleblock is not justified. Scums can also claim roleblock, because there could be no roleblocker OR the there could be a town roleblocker. | ||
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YourHarry
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What I did not want to talk about - and I realize I should not have brought it up in the first place- is what I think about Ochrow's role. I got heavy suspicion for doing something similar on Day 1, and there is no merit talking about it - except that I will probably get more suspicion for having more information than I should have - whether or not I was wrong. As to why I did not call out Ochrow: I was not even aware of it. How many times did I call lurkers out - I did not make sure that I got every single lurkers out. In fact, I thought in one of the list, I copied lurker list provided by previous poster and eliminated names who posted since then. I simply missed him for some reason... | ||
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[QUOTE]On August 17 2012 14:58 thrawn2112 wrote: I could not understand why shady was pushing so hard to have me lynched. I had given him sufficient arguments to back down on his claims, and I didn't feel like he was paying attention to any of my responses. My being lynched would benefit the scum team, and so the longer he continued to press his case against me the more and more I thought he was scum. Archrun was another player who moved to lynch me for reasons I didn't think were genuine so I also thought he could be scum. My vote for shady was based on shady being the most vocal, and in my eyes, stubborn about me being scum. The current debate is over whether I or Archrun are scum. Before the vote Archrun said that if shady is town, then I should be lynched. Yourharry is saying that if Archrun is scum, then I am town. My efforts are going to be focused on going through Archrun's filter, and I will post about it if I find something worth bringing up. I don't think that town should focus 100% on Archrun and I. After I go through Archrun's filter I will also read through the filters of the people most outspoken in the debate over shady/thrawn and I think everyone else should do the same. I realize I haven't posted much of substance, but I thought it was worth saying that Archrun and I shouldn't be the only people investigated. First it seems redundant as town to say "me being lynched is not good for town" but to say in a more active form "me being lynched is good for scum" makes it feel like you are claiming a power role. Second, are you not discouraging the detective to check someone other than you or Archrun? | ||
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YourHarry
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@Thrawn You said this was not your breadcrumb post. What was your intention with the bolded part: On August 17 2012 14:58 thrawn2112 wrote: I could not understand why shady was pushing so hard to have me lynched. I had given him sufficient arguments to back down on his claims, and I didn't feel like he was paying attention to any of my responses. My being lynched would benefit the scum team, and so the longer he continued to press his case against me the more and more I thought he was scum. Archrun was another player who moved to lynch me for reasons I didn't think were genuine so I also thought he could be scum. My vote for shady was based on shady being the most vocal, and in my eyes, stubborn about me being scum. The current debate is over whether I or Archrun are scum. Before the vote Archrun said that if shady is town, then I should be lynched. Yourharry is saying that if Archrun is scum, then I am town. My efforts are going to be focused on going through Archrun's filter, and I will post about it if I find something worth bringing up. I don't think that town should focus 100% on Archrun and I. After I go through Archrun's filter I will also read through the filters of the people most outspoken in the debate over shady/thrawn and I think everyone else should do the same. I realize I haven't posted much of substance, but I thought it was worth saying that Archrun and I shouldn't be the only people investigated. First it seems redundant as town to say "me being lynched is not good for town" but to say in a more active form "me being lynched is good for scum" makes it feel like you are claiming a power role. Second, are you not discouraging the detective to check someone other than you or Archrun? | ||
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