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I did not shoot heist I shot at dirk
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I did not get any alert if being rb'd... I am down to lynch wiggles cause of him doing nothing and bc thinking he's scum, dirk for reasons mentioned before and I feel like he had forced "emotions" earlier that I can't quote from my phone, or misder for doing nothing and ninja voting
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I am still voting dirkzor, because he is scum.
I can be persuaded to switch to misder
can we get a vote count
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On August 28 2012 05:28 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 19:02 Dirkzor wrote:I logic is fine. You are scum. BC write "blah blah Dirkzor is scum". You think "Dirk os town - I'll agree without saying why or add anything of my own" And you stopped defending yourself by now. All you do now are dismissing things you don't like. I'll list up MY reasons for you being scum: - Taking the easy way out D1. (Targeting grush)
- When pressured by S&B you suddenly change you stance and support his case on Drazerk.
- You try to dismiss the votes on you as a wagon.
- You attack me and wiggles when we voted you
- Your reasoning for calling me scum (and voting) doesn't add up with the timeline of what actually happened.
- You don't defend you dismiss.
So there you have it. Repost because it is still valid.
repost because it is still valid
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and sorry i went away at the time of lynch. I got called into a hospital
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I am not shooting tonight.
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Shooting is irresponsible and selfish as hell, I have yet to actually hit my target and now jingle said he didn't misdirect my last shot which means scum could be picking my target. I refuse to shoot until this is figured out, I don't want my shots to result in the death of town
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I lied, I shot at Dirkzor. Figured I would WIFOM whether or not I was shooting to hopefully avoid any interuption with where my shot was heading
Dirk begging me to shoot makes me nervous however. If he is still alive I really want to lynch him and see his motivation for wanting me to shoot so bad. Also, in my case + Show Spoiler +On August 24 2012 01:53 Mattchew wrote:Why we should lynch Dirkzor, according the the TL Mafia Vets who wrote a guide A. SurvivalHiding/Blending in + Show Spoiler +This thread stinks, everyone else has said it, why not me? I wanna look like I care too guys! On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote:
##Take In Sunlight
##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:
as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.
Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted  I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage. Posting long but contentless posts + Show Spoiler +On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 21 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
If there's no support for it, then I'll entertain the cases put forth. There isn't much more to say on the matter, and anyone who dwells on this should be put under scrutiny. It's a vote like any other vote, I've given my reasoning for it - it's up to you guys to convince me that your read on random player is better than my seething hatred for grush' playstyle. I can tell you without a doubt that attempting to bully me for it is not going to work. Posted again because you apparently missed it Toad. The case on Kurumi is that he's Kurumi. The case on Draz is inflated WIFOMY bullshit that consists mostly of setup speculation. The case on BC is...that he said the same thing as you? Last time I checked, agreeing with someone isn't a scumtell, so until he elaborates on his read of Dirk I'm reserving judgement on BC. I'm not reluctant to talk about my thoughts, I just don't have many yet. If this doesn't satisfy you, then my sincerest of apologies. Hopefully my future contributions are up to your standards. Simple, he basically said he didn't want to be terrible about how he entered the thread. He then jumps on the bandwagon of the day of that time by making a large "say nothing post" as his post really says jack shit aside from talking about the fake solar beam. Its a space filler post on the person with the largest bit of heat on them that offers no new information or really anything of note at all. Why spend time making a post look large if you aren't going to put content with it. Since then he has had 1 post of complete apathy of "not wanting to read this garbage" that he is in no way helping to solve. Seems pretty open shut to me atm. A "say nothing post"? I basicly had the samw worries that S&B did in his big case against Drazerk. My post was just completely crap at explaining my problem with drazerk since it was all hunches and feelings. The way I entered was just a punch towards those entering with a town claim which is basicly useless and imo a complete stupid way to enter a thread. While I agree that Drazerk was the biggest focus point during the first part of D1, the solar beam thingy wasn't mentioned in the 2-3 pages before I posted so I brought it up again because it was the only thing worth mentioning.
Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote:yeah Mattchew, I don't have as much time as I normally do. I'm going to try not to rage if something retarded happens (like in BC's game) but I'm also hosting AoK mafia which is taking quite a lot more time than expected. I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example: On August 21 2012 09:18 imallinson wrote:
I guess what need weighing up with regards to a Grush lynch is would lynching anyone else give us more info? On August 21 2012 09:00 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? It feels kind of wrong lynching someone who can't defend himself. I've never played a game with him before, is he normally this spammy and terrible in his posting? The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help: On August 21 2012 08:20 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 08:12 Mementoss wrote:On August 21 2012 08:09 imallinson wrote:On August 21 2012 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 21 2012 07:39 imallinson wrote:
I've been out all day so I apologise for not posting earlier.
One thing I noticed, between the spam, is a hell of a lot of role discussion, talk about kp, etc. I think everyone has missed a very important point in all this. These are pokemon we are dealing with and last I checked most of them have more than one power. Because this is PTP it wouldn't surprise me if most people did have more than one power. Add to that the fact that all the role talk has been about standard mafia roles it seems like no one is really thinking outside the box on the roles. The real question is do they think it's the case a not talking about it for strategic reasons. I'm not a fan of misdirection in mafia from a town perspective because it normally only serves to make scum hunting harder. Most roles can be equated to standard mafia roles. You can deal KP? Your a vig role. You can protect? medic role. You can edit your posts? Okay, this one doesn't exist. Short of everyone claiming what role they created (Which might be useful, but a great way for scum to fuck with us), we have to use terms that everyone else will understand. Once we get through a round of Night actions, (assuming decon\greymist use the ability names) we'd be able to refer to specifics. I didn't really mean calling roles different names just because of PTP. I'm perfectly fine calling KP role vig, protect role medic and so on. I'm talking about roles that would never be in a normal game of mafia and thus don't have a standard name. I'm pretty the role I created doesn't fit into any normal mafia role and I'm sure there a lot of other cases like that. As for role calling I think it's a terrible idea, especially in PTP because you can make up a fake role for yourself just as easily as the role you created for someone else. I do agree with you that things should become clearer after night 1 because we will at least get some info on the roles that are in play. But how do your thoughts on roles and PTP mechanics help us catch scum? It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up.On August 21 2012 08:12 Drazerk wrote:On August 21 2012 08:05 wherebugsgo wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote:
Also to go one step further
I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it Herp derp? I don't know if anyone else noticed this (I have to reread some of what I missed) but I saw this and figured it has to be pointed out. Unfortunately it's Drazerk, so to be completely honest my read of Drazerk doesn't change here. I'm an exception to my own rule because at some point I need to be taken down for the good of the town But is that point now? So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum? In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in. ##vote imallinson While this case at face value makes sense I figured I'd dig deeper. imallinson is pretty new here so I figured he could just be intimidated by the amount of veterans in the game and thus explaining his meek attitude. So i skimmed his newbie game and the mad men game. In neither of those does he appear meek or insecure about his thoughts. So more power to this case due to that.
Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 09:06 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:On August 21 2012 08:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm reading AND care Mattchew, care to elaborate on why you think otherwise? cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town Yeah, this sounds like you as town too. The reason I haven't "sunk my teeth into a candidate" yet is because there are no real candidates for me to choose from. Draz is like the only one and I don't like the fact that a bandwagon built on the BS case SnB put forth. It's a shitty case and I don't like the smell of the bandwagon that formed from it...so I'm not supporting it presently. My grush wagon could use some help though, if you're interested. It's guaranteed to rid the game of an anti-town poster and gosh, it might even net us a scum. What do ya say? I'd like a more informed read to lynch off of and I agree that SnB's case is weak, but I still have a scum read on Draz. He is back peddling and clearly nervous while trying to act like he's been cool calm and collected the entire game. You also haven't voted a weak read early (to provoke reaction) and said my vote is my tool or w.e you say, so I wouldn't be completely against lynching you currently You're not alone - but I strongly advise against it. I'm town and intend to show it soon enough. But my vote IS a tool, that much has not changed. I'm just using it differently this game than you're used to seeing. A fancy way of saying: My meta have changed... and that are always bullshit that people say when they think people got caught with some meta stuff. Eyes on VE. And lastly: @heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy? Not wanting to point fingers + Show Spoiler +Only goes after VE and myself, and has now gone after... no one? also this post, where he brings up things but doesnt accuse anyone of anything On August 23 2012 23:47 Dirkzor wrote:I don't read irony.... But reading your run-in with mattchew does make it make sense a bit more. Show nested quote +There's just a bit of a difference here, mine was more recent, had more work on it, and came to a solid conclusion, which was followed by a vote. Yours, on the other hand, was just a lot of waffle. Wait, what? More recent? That was 1-2 pages and about 10 hours after my case. I won't categorize that as more recent. More work? Why? Because you did some shitty post by post analysis? I came to a solid conclusion: Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 16:54 Dirkzor wrote:
I think mattchew is scum just cruising by.. forgot to add that in the end. Which is basicly the same you came to during your post-by-post: Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 03:10 JingleHell wrote:
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Starting to see a trend. Minimal content, wanting to sheep people. Usually scummy to want someone else to lead on cases.
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More wanting to sheep and hide behind other players.
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Given the fact I made the case during N1 I couldn't vote and so much have happened since that just blindly voting Mattchew now seems, in my eyes, a bit of an overkill and out of place. I'm still re-reading d1 and trying to put the pieces together. Found this gem: Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:44 Mementoss wrote:
If you read Toad's posts I think its fairly obvious he's not Meowth. I only have a little while before I leave before deadline and am still unsure where to place my vote. I still am really uncomfortable with Mattchews play, but no one seems to care about his sheneningans. The only thing that doesn't make me think he is scum, is his scum meta from LIII was very aggressive. Do with that info however you want. Avoiding responsibility and Apathy about who is lynched + Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 04:41 Dirkzor wrote:
So with 1½ hours left we should start to consolidate. Seems to me there are only 2 real targets. Myself and allinson.
TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list.
Promoting confusion + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:
Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far.
Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 21 2012 05:47 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 16:16 Dirkzor wrote:Oh god. 7 pages of nothingness so far. Oh and btw I'm to.. No... not that. Horrible way to enter a thread. On August 20 2012 07:41 Drazerk wrote:
##Take In Sunlight
##Solar Beam: VisceraEyes On August 20 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:On August 20 2012 07:52 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote:On August 20 2012 07:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:
as if. I'll consider that a troll and if you really do damage I'll blast right back.
Also: sup guyses I GOT A KP ROLE OUT OF MY TROLL Basically all I wanted I said you're trolling. Go figure what that might mean for my post. Still you wouldn't do the threat if you couldn't back up with something other than a half assed vote that means nothing soooooo... why were you trying to out kp roles? Track the damage track the scum Since this is the most interesting thing so far I'll guess its also the best way to start. Drazerk's maybe fake solar beam doesn't make any sense. I know its Drazerk so in that way I could be excused. But the way he explained it doesn't fit a Drazerk move (as I remember him from last I played). I would have expected a more "Because I wanted too" response. All that is meta and not super reliable. But "Track the damage track the scum" doesn't even make sense. Even if you know that Toad have a KP doesn't make it easier to find scum? I dislike Drazerk's posting so far... I end it with this lulz: On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:28 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 10:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote:
I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind)
So the following -
No pokemon names
No Type
No role information
No claiming medic to save scum
Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green Why do you keep stating obvious things -_- I have my reasons I hope they don't revolve around you using the argument later of "look at how helpful I was being, I clearly cannot be scum" because well, general advice to a group of players who at this point should all know the basics of playing clearly wouldn't need said advice. I never defend myself You should know this by now Then you should really stop playing so scummy. Playing as you are now reaks almost as distinctly red as mr kurumi over there. He smells bad. Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. Man, I think dirk just claimed scum with this post. hurrah Hurrah. Now kill me so I can stop reading this garbage. On August 21 2012 16:26 Dirkzor wrote:
And lastly:
@heist: Not so much suicidal anymore as this thread is turning for the better. The first 10 pages just had me regretting signing up. But why so interested in something thats clearly sarcastic? No one wants to die D1 in a mafia game why use the energy? All this, while not doing much of anything to promote a better discussion, he blandly points a finger at draz and doesnt ask questions.
General theoretical question to the thread, if you took .5 kp of damage last night would you tell the thread?
Promoting confusion
Making a big deal about nothing
from the last couple pages of the thread.
also,
On August 24 2012 05:06 Dirkzor wrote:
And BC can't be wrong? Not ever... never ever... And toad didn't want to comment on Zephirdd - is he scum then? Toad didn't comment on allinson and he flipped town...
This right here is just awful btw.
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On August 25 2012 02:53 Mattchew wrote:Why you should believe I am pikachu No electric pokemon (with night kp) has died. No one has counter claimed me being pikachu, and no one has claimed the hit on toad, which with Jingle's claim, makes me the (accidental) killer of Toad. AKA Pikachu. This isn't an argument, this is facts. Also, for me to post that I shot at wiggles would be so ballsy if I wasn't Pikachu because he is alive and can easily counter-claim that shot, which almost happened
Why if you believe that I am Pikachu you actually believe I am town (or 3rd party if there is one I guess) Hopeless did a really good (too good) job of pointing out the posts where I believed I had .5 kp and had shot wiggles. To say I have 4 or 5 or w.e teammates, and none of them point out to me that I actually have 1kp and even if I don't believe them I wouldn't ask a mod at the very least, is fucking insane. If I was scum I would have known I was firing off 1kp.
TLDR; If you are voting me you are voting what is basically a game-mechanics confirmed mislynch.
I am fine with switching the votes to hopeless or Dirk.
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On August 29 2012 10:56 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 10:51 austinmcc wrote:
Odd, because I got a message that I took a little damage. That would mean I either got hit with something heavy or maybe an ineffective match between us so less protection? I'd assume the following may have happened: 1. something disrupted my action and it didn't protect you(like, for instance, when mattchew said to shoot someone but it hit someone else) 2. I am not very effective against you, and that means I didn't protect you for the whole 1.0kp, which would mean you take a smaller percentage of damage 3. The attack did more than 1.0kp of damage and you took only a part of it 4. A combination of 2 and 3
what pokemon are you?
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On August 30 2012 01:35 BioSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 01:30 Drazerk wrote:
Ok you all can't possibly be playing guild wars / WoW so talk!
I prefer grush over Bio but that is probably because grush is more in your face annoying rather than keeping under the radar
Ok. I've woken up, had my coffee, and have nothing to do today. Lets talk. Quack.
who have you targeted with your ability
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On August 30 2012 02:13 Drazerk wrote:
What is your ability? (You've already claimed psyduck which means Kurumi can shoot you in the face)
kurumi dont do this
every night bio
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On August 30 2012 02:24 austinmcc wrote:For now, just looking back over some kills/actions/whatnot. Dirk's DeathMattchew claimed to shoot Dirk. Dirk is dead. The only odd thing about that death is that electric attacks should be super effective against water, yes? So each shot should have done (.5 kp + .5 for electric kp role) * 2 for effectiveness. Matt says he shot Dirk N2 and again N3 - Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 05:59 Mattchew wrote:
I lied, I shot at Dirkzor. Figured I would WIFOM whether or not I was shooting to hopefully avoid any interuption with where my shot was heading
If that's true, EACH shot should have done 2 KP of damage. So either someone protected Dirk for more than 1 kp on N2, the shot went off but did not hit because of unknown reasons, or Matt is lying. Mafia Factional KPShow nested quote +On August 29 2012 06:40 HiroPro wrote:
the mafia team kp probably changes flavor/type depending on who carries it out. Hiro, why do you think this? If this is the case, which of the NKs would you think are mafia shots?
Beyond that, I'm at work but can put a little bit of time in this afternoon. As of this moment I don't want a Grush lynch, and will try to pinpoint exactly why this feels like townGrush and not scumGrush. Bugs had some good thoughts on Grush in the obs of LVI iirc, worth looking at. Specifically to Grush, don't just check out. I'd like to know (1) if you have any KP that you can direct (shots, putting bombs on people, etc.). No need to claim more than that atm. (2) If each player remaining was an antelope, who would be the most graceful antelope and who would be the sickly, old one that gets picked off by lions?
did you see how heist died?
I believe that is where my shot went
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oh and bio depending on how you answer who you targeted each night, i think you should let me decide to revel your role or not.
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On August 30 2012 02:32 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 02:25 Mattchew wrote:
did you see how heist died?
I believe that is where my shot went Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 06:18 GreYMisT wrote:
Toadestern, as Giovanni with a Meowth met a shocking end Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 06:14 deconduo wrote:
Heist, the Koffing, has been electrocuted. Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 06:07 GreYMisT wrote:
Dirkzor the Squirtle met a shocking end One of these things is not like the other.
oh wow. I did not realize that
I guess I did not shoot heist.
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ok I am voting biosc until he tells me who he targeted each night with his ability. I really hope the rest of you will to
##vote biosc
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On August 30 2012 03:00 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 02:59 Mattchew wrote:
ok I am voting biosc until he tells me who he targeted each night with his ability. I really hope the rest of you will to
##vote biosc Care to explain?
i would rather force him to answer. then explain
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austin can you confirm that you got +.5 protection?
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ps bio is not lying which makes believe he is town.
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