On August 11 2012 08:19 Sideni wrote: Well, if Goodkarma was against me, it means that I'm clean, right ? :D
Yeah. He COULD have tried to create distance, but he attacked Axero in the same posts, and while Ax got himself killed, at least we know he was town - which kinda helps. Also, I at least, didn't think you were scum at the very end of day1. This just about confirms you, given the circumstances.
I feel pretty good about Hapa too now (huuuuuge part in switching to GK) I also feel pretty good about deciding on goodkarma myself (I don't want to give myself too much credit, but day 1 was really shitty for me at parts. Let me revel in my joy)
On August 11 2012 08:28 fallof9lives wrote: I would be a first time forum player and i would love to get in if sign up is still available.
Thanks
You sir made me grin ! We're already at night 1, there's no way to sign up to this game xD
I've read all the rules, I want to know what are we supposed to do during night time ? I know that power roles do their things, but what happen of vanilla town players ? Are we supposed to discuss ? (according to the rules we have to post at least once during night =/)
On August 11 2012 08:40 Shady Sands wrote: Wow. Town is either crazy good this game or scum is bussing. Given that it's day 1 I'm going to say the former is more likely.
I don't think scum was bussing this - If Hapa didn't bring GK up, I'm pretty sure we would have just about forgotten him, especially given how crazy the day was.
Scum Hapa didn't need to do that - he had plenty of people to mislynch available.
Well well well... my fears of not getting information were unfounded! There's plenty scour from this.
I'm definitely interested to see who's still standing after tonight. Hope the cop doesn't get the ax, because that could be very useful. Kill me before the cop you two remaining scourge!!
Honestly, I can't help but think we fucking dodged a bullet there. It could've been a genius play by Hapa to sell an inactive leader down the river to cement your position at top of the town heap, but I doubt it.
RE: my performance. I'll try to step up in the ensuing day... I didn't offer much in terms of analysis persay and I aim to correct that.
Wow, nice work guys! Let's try to find out what this tells us.
I don't know how much I'm allowed to say, but the PMing was why I was refraining from posting. Because Axero was modkilled, everything that I was allowed to know has been overpowered by the flip itself. Now that I have no information advantage or disadvantage, I can continue posting as I had been. I hope this assuages the suspicion of me based on lurking, though that's probably too much to hope for.
I'd like to jump right into my response to YourHarry:
On August 10 2012 19:12 YourHarry wrote: So you were testing me? I accept the logic behind not clarifying right away. It was a superior move, than to simply point out the spoiler that I missed. You could have possibly caught the scum this way.
But the thing is: I don't believe you. If you are town, given the context of our posts, your primary goal should have been to determine if my clearance of Hapa as town is merit worthy. And this goal is apparent in your post. And yes, it is possible that in addition to your trying to determine whether Hapa is indeed town, that you were also testing me. But wouldn't you say it is too unnatural and methodical to be a simple townie wanting a clarification?
My primary goal as town is to be scumhunting. I don't believe there is a better goal, as catching scum is the point of the game (for town). When I saw a strong town read that didn't make any sense to me, it triggered my curiosity. I tried to figure out how you came to such a conclusion, and by doing that I came to the three options I listed. From there, I decided to let you provide which one was correct. The breakdown of what each of your possible responses would have meant did come after your response, but the intention of hearing your explanation instead of giving you an explanation was there from the beginning.
Instead, it could be that your post was based on your scum motive to fit as a townie (and possibly to frame me based on according to my response). And your perfectly logical explanation behind your actions was custom designed only in afterthought. (I admit. I have no meta evidence to support this. I do not know how you play as town. I could simply be wrong in not giving you enough credit. But having played on the same scum team with you, I do know that scum mkfuba is capable of framing logical reasons around his earlier actions.
I see no way to actually contest what you have said. You're using my pro-town behaviour to accuse me of being scummy.
On August 09 2012 18:51 mkfuba07 wrote: I apologize about the length, I've been thinking about this for hours XD
On August 09 2012 15:08 YourHarry wrote: Now, take Lvdr's last quote: "More plausible than yh then?" In context, Lvdr was simply asking Hapha for his opinions on who he thinks is scummier, me or Lvdr. If Lvdr indeed thought that Hapha and I were scums together, I can imagine Lvdr's intention to confirm this read based on Hapha's response. And, mkfuba, by your putative "scum motivation" do you mean Lvdr is actively trying to confuse town by posting incoherent one liners? If so, I find it hard to imagine scums methodically engineering incoherent one liners to confuse town.
I've already addressed this in my previous post, but I felt like that was already answered by Hapa. After considering it, I will definitely admit that I made some assumptions about Hapa which carried over into my read on Lvdr. I made an assumption that Hapa would not be suspicious of you, as you hadn't done anything overtly suspicious up to that point, and from what little I know of him from the last two days he doesn't cry scum without a reason. I then assumed that Lvdr would come to the same conclusion. This was a mistake and you can infer from it what you will, but it doesn't hurt my overall read.
Your claim that you made these assumptions (which you claim you made when you initially found Lvdr suspicious), again, appear to be something you fictionalized to explain your earlier actions. None of these assumptions are actually mentioned in your initial case against Lvdr.
These are two different situations. In the case of your town read, I made a plan that would garner some information from you, whether you wanted to give it or not. In my case against Lvdr, I made a mistake (or two, depending on how you consider it). I stated these assumptions in my first post.
Here you passively reiterate your previous "case". In asking if Hapa thinks your actions are scummier than YH's, you are asking a question that you already know the answer to, and that answer supports your Hapa+YH scumteam case. Of course Hapa thinks you're more suspicious, he's essentially stated that already. He has suspicions of you, but hasn't mentioned suspicions of YH. Even if your case was serious, the result of this questioning wouldn't support it.
The bolded portions are the assumptions I listed earlier, but in the previous post: that Hapa wasn't suspicious of you, and that Lvdr knew that already. Those assumptions did not help town, and I redacted/apologized for them. I do find it strange that you apparently didn't actually check my previous post (quoted above) for these assumptions. They seem rather obviously present to me, though I wrote it. If someone else feels like it's relevant, let us know if you were able to find my assumptions as well. As the author I'm biased by foreknowledge.
psssh that music ... I'm listening to Brahms 1 while doing this write-up. *pfft*
You want epic death music? This is in honor of GK, our fallen Godfather... I give you the most dramatic death in the repertoire. This is the final scene from Salome where she, Salome, goes bat-frickign insane and kisses the head of John the Baptist immediately after demanding it be cut from his body. It was the birth of of the famous Strauss death chord at the 5min mark.
EBWO(the damn link not starting at the right time). For the cliff notes version of the link please start at the 3:56 mark.... you'll get all the salient points.
Write-up ofA)inferences to take from GK's post,B) interest surrounding GK, and C) a tally of the votes leading up to his lynching:
A) GK's quotes:
1) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=29#567 Sideni benefits most notably from an early post by GK (as would also the late Axero). The initial scum read was a stretch, but it's doubtful he'd attempt either a bus or a double-take against a fellow scum Sideni. This is reinforced by the second hamhanded vetting of the now vindicated Axero.
In context: this call out happens immediately after Hapa levels a cases against Axero. Axero might have been an after-thought or attempt at band-wagon.
I mean to make no overt suppositions in this post. This is just metrics and just data. I went through and tried to scour for everytime GK was mentioned. This is the fruit of that labor. Do with this data what you will.
EPT
... I'm listening to Brahms 1 while doing this write-up. *pfft*
