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Kronen
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YourHarry
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Shady Sands
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On August 11 2012 08:34 Lvdr wrote: I'm on my phone, so I cannot start a real case, but shady will be my first target tomorrow. His vote looks pretty suspicious right now. Note that I reconfirmed my vote on you even after people hit the 6 votes necessary to lynch GK. If I was really scum, why would I do that? This post just reeks of OMGUS. That being said, great job town on wagoning the bastard. I'll admit, I thought his posting was similar to his XXII meta (where he was town), so I didn't think he looked that scummy. In terms of confirmed townies, I'm going to say that Hapa is almost for sure confirmed now, since it's very unlikely scum would bus the GF on D1 (at most they would bus a goon.) By the same logic, the first guy to vote for GK, Lvdr, should also be cleared. Hapa, Lvdr, what are your top reads going into D2? | ||
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Hapahauli
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Congrats on an awesome lynch! Going from a mislynch to lynching the freggin' godfather in 45 minutes is awesome-sauce. We got such a crazy amount of information from the lynch, and I feel safe to say that a couple of players have been basically confirmed townie. Before I start, a couple of observations:
STRONG Townies! (95%+) Sideni - GK voted for Sideni in a situation where the Sideni bandwagon was starting to become strong. Furthermore, GK was tunneling Sideni from the beginning (when suspicion on Sideni was rather weak) GK's vote then subsequent lurk confirms Sideni as town, as there's no way mafia would take that kind of risk in the early game. Lvdr - Lvdr was a huge player behind the GK lynch. Lvdr also is the first to cast a vote on GoodKarma. This should speak for itself - if Lvdr knew GK was godfather, he would have pushed to lynch another of the players I had suggested (Axero for example). iamperfection - Iamperfection voted for GK when it still wasn't clear the lynch would come together (he was vote #4). Furthermore, the following post is a strong town-tell to me: iamperfection could have EASILY lurked and not mentioned his presence. Instead, he declared himself availible and casted a vote. I can't see mafia doing this. I'll go over and see if I can find any more confirmed townies or people I think are town. Scumreads to follow as well | ||
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Hapahauli
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Note, none of these players are confirmed by any means, there are just people I feel are likely town Kronen - Kronen was the 6th and securing lynch vote for GoodKarma. While I won't rule out the possibility of a bus vote, given how sudden the lynch was on GK, I find it hard to believe that mafia could be that decisive in that situation. ShadySands - Even though he's been slighly lurky, his play has been noticably different from his mafia play in day 0.5. Furthermore, his vote on Lvdr is something I don't feel mafia would do. He draws attention to himself too much near the lynch deadline. My read here is much weaker than the one on Kronen - consider it a "gut feeling" | ||
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Hapahauli
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YourHarry - He still hasn't done jack. His case on mkfuba was pretty bad, and it feels to me like he's playing without information this game (as opposed to last game where he made a pretty coherent case on Lvdr). Gut-feeling he's bad town, but no substance behind this one. mkfuba - Had a pretty nice case early D1 agaist lvdr, but was majorly lurky toward the lynch deadline. I give him some townie points for his case, and minus a couple for his lurkiness. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I forgot to put Dandel Ion under confirmed townies! He helped push the GK lynch, and this quote is mega-townie to me: On August 11 2012 07:28 Dandel Ion wrote: I don't think i can comment on Promethelax, I'm rather angry at him after all. I certainly wouldn't miss him, but a mislynch is a mislynch, and I don't feel like I can gauge if he's scum or not. I'd be happy to bus him though. Axero was never that strong a scum read to me - though you can never be sure. I have stated previously that I think you are biased against him, Hapa. I'd rather lynch him, than have a no-lynch, but he's not my priority. Goodkarma would be your "safe" pick for a lynch. He didn't post anything scummy in itself, but then again, he didn't post in the first place. Might be our best chance Given 3 options, he picks the godfather. Mafia wouldn't do that. | ||
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iamperfection
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Hapahauli
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I find this post incredibly scummy: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=32#624 He nitpicks and criticizes a lot of people, followed by a vote on Sideni. Near the lynch deadline, Promethelax picks a mini-fight with Dandel Ion when Dandel Ion BACKS OFF SIDENI, and severely tunnels Sideni until he leaves for work. #1 scumread for sure here. | ||
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Hapahauli
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iamperfection
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On August 11 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote: @ iamperfection - I kinda assumed everyone thought so at this point lol yourharry is in this game. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Shady Sands
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On August 11 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote: ...So that leaves Promethelax as my top scumread at the moment. I find this post incredibly scummy: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=32#624 He nitpicks and criticizes a lot of people, followed by a vote on Sideni. Near the lynch deadline, Promethelax picks a mini-fight with Dandel Ion when Dandel Ion BACKS OFF SIDENI, and severely tunnels Sideni until he leaves for work. #1 scumread for sure here. Nice list, Hapa. I think Prome is scum too. Here's my reasoning: On August 10 2012 06:11 Promethelax wrote: fair enough, I disagree with you that there is nothing to read in his nothing posts but I see your point of view. Imperfection is a weird one for me since I played scum with him and his play feels scummy but not like his scum play in XIX obviously we're all new and our meta is still somewhat fluid. I have him in my scum column right now but there are people who have posted nothing or next to nothing who seem as scummy and I'd prefer to live the loud scum alive than the quiet one, people who talk a lot will talk themselves into a corner. Shady: How did Axero make it onto your list? You gave reasons for lvdr being suspicious but not Axero. I don't like a name just being thrown in there without a case, it is good play for scum and bad for town. Give me and the rest of town an explanation for throwing his name in there, right now with just his name and no reasoning you are on my scummy list. I guess I have to remove my FoS on Harry, he is just Harry. I'll keep my eye on him but I think that might just be my policy from now on: watch Harry. Prom seems to be wanting other people to keep pointing fingers at each other. Note how he questions most everyone's cases by asking why they're not considering other targets, then quickly settles down on a lynch target of Sideni... after he accuses half the town. This returns to the motive question: Scum want to spread town's focus among too many cases to thoroughly analyze. I think this is what Prom is doing here, and this is why I'm going to be watching him very closely from now on. ## FoS Promethelax | ||
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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@ Kronen, mkfuba, YourHarry, Promethelax, and ShadySands - I want to hear your thoughts on the other 4 players before the night is over. No exceptions. TOWN, make sure you hold each and every person on this list accountable for the above! | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
In addition, I expressed my strong pro-town sentiments toward the three most accused players on Day 1 - Lvdr, sideni, and Axero. That must count for something. I was at work all day and just came back from the bar. I will see what I can do to contribute. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 11 2012 13:12 YourHarry wrote: I would like to sheep you on Promothelax. But why do you think my case on mkfuba is bad? I still think he's prob scum along with Promothelax. Please don't sheep - explain why you think Promethelax is scummy. I also want to hear your reads on the other players and why you think Promethelax is the most scummy. In addition, I expressed my strong pro-town sentiments toward the three most accused players on Day 1 - Lvdr, sideni, and Axero. That must count for something. This is a point against you IMO - you were one of the only players to think they were pro town. Certainly you should have been somewhat suspicious of any of them at one point during day 1? | ||
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Hapahauli
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As for why I thought your case against Mkfuba was bad... you vote mkfuba because you don't believe his answer, and you point out a lot of pro-town behavior in your accusation. | ||
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