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On August 06 2012 22:27 Ange777 wrote:
@Jingle: I am wearing those hypothetical 1% town Jingle goggles, that's why I am asking you for your reads ... stop complaining about what happened and build a case if you want me to give you a chance.
No, see, you're doing it wrong. You're still looking for me to be scum.
I've built cases, and they were all dismissed. You were one of the people who wasn't interested before. You want me to do more cases, go find one I already wrote (there's the old one on Alan) and go through it, tell me what you do and don't like about it.
Of course, at this point, with people acting like I'm somehow at fault for their play being absurd, I kind of like the idea of just pointing and laughing.
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Sigh. you only think it is a good case against my defense as you want to lynch me. Confirmation bias or scum. either way it was not a good 'case' against my defense.
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On August 06 2012 22:39 DarthPunk wrote:Sigh. you only think it is a good case against my defense as you want to lynch me. Confirmation bias or scum. either way it was not a good 'case' against my defense.
And by bad case I mean he deliberately ignores everything I say and puts a negative spin on it in a way that he doesn't really have to address anything I have said. You mention this is my first defense post? you have got to be kidding right? I am no longer interested in arguing with you. It is clear you are not interested in the truth but rather will post mountains of rubbish in order to further your agenda.
One thing though. In your post you are very eager to point out that ange777 is confirmed town.
I know what is happening here. If others don't I apologise that my defense was inadequate. HOWEVER. I encourage everyone to read through my filter. hopefully the truth will reveal itself.
If I am mislynched. plz lynch Ange and aRyuujin. PLEASE!
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On August 06 2012 22:47 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 22:39 DarthPunk wrote:Sigh. you only think it is a good case against my defense as you want to lynch me. Confirmation bias or scum. either way it was not a good 'case' against my defense. And by bad case I mean he deliberately ignores everything I say and puts a negative spin on it in a way that he doesn't really have to address anything I have said. You mention this is my first defense post? you have got to be kidding right? I am no longer interested in arguing with you. It is clear you are not interested in the truth but rather will post mountains of rubbish in order to further your agenda. One thing though. In your post you are very eager to point out that ange777 is confirmed town. I know what is happening here. If others don't I apologise that my defense was inadequate. HOWEVER. I encourage everyone to read through my filter. hopefully the truth will reveal itself. If I am mislynched. plz lynch Ange and aRyuujin. PLEASE!
@ DP
Two things here.
1) This point of view is not good:
That being said. I will continue to post cases and defend myself but I am sheeping shadys vote no matter what this cycle. If shady votes for me I will vote for myself etc. The reason for this is that the situation is bad at the moment. a mess really. I will sheep the vote of the confirmed town. Whilst still contributing as much as possible.
This sets a bad example for the rest of town.
2) Don't OMGUS Ange/aRyuujin. First off, because I think that the three of your accusers (Ange, aRyu, and Obvious) have totally different levels of scumminess, and second, because OMGUS at this stage in the game is extremely anti-town play.
That being said, though, I would like to see Alan put up his argument and make his vote before committing to a vote between Jingle and DP. I think the best scenario for town (and worst for scum) would be to have confirmed town make the final deciding vote.
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I am far from OMGUS'ing them. they are tunneling me hard Ignoring my arguments entirely. I don;t see the motivation for it unless it is scum Motivation.
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EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence).
Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange.
There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch.
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Basically, I'm 100% certain JH is scum, so why let him get away?
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@Shady
I started writing my case not long ago. But if you want to make the final decision, I will keep my vote on JH, but is fine with changing it to DP. Both are the scums in my eyes and it does not matter who gets lynched first.
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On August 06 2012 23:53 Shady Sands wrote:
EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence).
Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange.
There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch.
So MrMedic was "lurking" to the point of getting fucking replaced and that convinces you of my guilt?
You somehow think that makes me look scummier than the person who is blatantly setting things up to direct things after my mislynch? DP clearly has foreknowledge of how I'm going to flip.
And here's a WIFOM filled hypothetical for you, since you like those. Think about this. If I flipped red, which I know I won't, DP would be tomorrow's lynch for attempting to defend me. At least according to precedent. If I flip green, which I will, DP has foreknowledge of how I'll flip and is trying to make people who target me look scummy, which is scum behavior.
In BOTH scenarios, no matter what you assume about my alignment, DP is scummy. However, in only ONE of those scenarios am I scummy, and if he gets me mislynched before he dies, he's still alive, can still try to get someone else lynched later, and there's less townies to fight for a majority.
Lynching me first can ONLY benefit scum.
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Darth, I'm super interested in knowing how you think JH is not scum. Can you post something about that?
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On August 07 2012 00:18 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:53 Shady Sands wrote:
EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence).
Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange.
There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch. So MrMedic was "lurking" to the point of getting fucking replaced and that convinces you of my guilt? You somehow think that makes me look scummier than the person who is blatantly setting things up to direct things after my mislynch? DP clearly has foreknowledge of how I'm going to flip. And here's a WIFOM filled hypothetical for you, since you like those. Think about this. If I flipped red, which I know I won't, DP would be tomorrow's lynch for attempting to defend me. At least according to precedent. If I flip green, which I will, DP has foreknowledge of how I'll flip and is trying to make people who target me look scummy, which is scum behavior. In BOTH scenarios, no matter what you assume about my alignment, DP is scummy. However, in only ONE of those scenarios am I scummy, and if he gets me mislynched before he dies, he's still alive, can still try to get someone else lynched later, and there's less townies to fight for a majority. Lynching me first can ONLY benefit scum.
Yeah, you have a point here. So let's see what DP has to say about your presumed innocence. And DP, if you think JH is innocent, please don't sheep me and vote for him.
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I am back from a long day. I thought Jingle is certainly getting lynched the last time I post, so I did not sneak out to check on this thread during work today. In my eyes, he is as close as to scum as it can get without flipping.
@aRyu
It did not occur to me that I am putting myself in a position to lynch you once Jingle flips town. In fact, I intend to use that as a basis to come out with a Jingle/DarthPunk scenario. If the remaining scums are in fact, in all four of us who voted for Mordanis before changing votes, and if both you and Jingle are townies, then it means me and Darth Punk are the scums. This won’t make sense, unless there is a third mafia hiding among the early Zork votes.
If you think I am using this to set up a lynch on you, I am not, and I apologize if it came out that way. I don’t think there is a chance for Jingle to flip town at this point in time.
@Jingle
His recent post has somewhat improved; he stopped the tunnelling thing and moved on to OMGUS town. (lol) There are no follow up to my case, and no follow up to Good Karma’s either. However, his reaction to DP’s scum slip seems very believable, and the counter-vote seems to give him huge townie points. It could be another attempt to “seems pro town” by “catching” DP, as DP has gained quite a lot of FOS-momentum at that point. + Show Spoiler +WIFOM: Could it be scums trying to sacrifice another scummate so the last one can gain a more advantages spot? I think this is very unlikely, but no entirely impossible.
@DarthPunk
I said I could not find any scummy things to penalize him in his huge filter, how eager is he to prove me wrong. I am sure many has caught and mentioned his scum slip ever since he started defending himself. (Oh the irony) Even Jingle himself talks about his “slip”. I would like to know, why Jingle gives you a townie vibe, other than that you yourself is getting tunnelled right now? I would also like to add that that was posted before you were tunnelled, so any other reasons? No?
Also, this:
If shady votes for me I will vote for myself etc
Well, in this case, if you are a town, you are allowing town to mislynch you-an anti-town play. If you are a scum, then LOL. Please tell me this is not a slip? If you intend to buy “townie points” with this, then you failed miserably. Town wants to lynch scum, not martyr himself to prove he is town.
I am fine with voting any of these two players, but I will keep my vote on Jingle for the moment. I think we got both scums.
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On August 06 2012 23:53 Shady Sands wrote:
EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence).
Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange.
There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch.
Wait a minute. I actually accused MrMedic with my first game related post. And let's be frank:
You can IN NO WAY infer from MrMedic AFKing so hardcore that he was replaced that he is scum. If anything, there's more of chance of him getting bored and leaving if he was VT than if he had a more exciting role. But even that is too silly to be brought up as a serious point. He probably forgot about the game, or got bored, or something. He got replaced. Do you really expect that he's some genius who planned out his replacement as a way to win?
Despite how annoying JH is being lately, I actually agree with this post (or rather he agrees with me)
[+ Show Spoiler +QUOTE] On August 07 2012 00:18 JingleHell wrote:On August 06 2012 23:53 Shady Sands wrote:
EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence).
Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange.
There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch. So MrMedic was "lurking" to the point of getting fucking replaced and that convinces you of my guilt? You somehow think that makes me look scummier than the person who is blatantly setting things up to direct things after my mislynch? DP clearly has foreknowledge of how I'm going to flip. And here's a WIFOM filled hypothetical for you, since you like those. Think about this. If I flipped red, which I know I won't, DP would be tomorrow's lynch for attempting to defend me. At least according to precedent. If I flip green, which I will, DP has foreknowledge of how I'll flip and is trying to make people who target me look scummy, which is scum behavior. In BOTH scenarios, no matter what you assume about my alignment, DP is scummy. However, in only ONE of those scenarios am I scummy, and if he gets me mislynched before he dies, he's still alive, can still try to get someone else lynched later, and there's less townies to fight for a majority. Lynching me first can ONLY benefit scum.
He basically says something similar about Medic's lurking, and agrees with my phat post where I outlined the two possibilities (Z/DP/Alan vs Z/DP/JH)
Shady, I think you're in danger of not seeing the big picture here. We know DP is 100% mafia. We know JH is 99% mafia. Let's not make the 1% risk and go with DP first.
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Ok It is 1.30am my time. I need to sleep. I have class in 6.5 hours. my defense of the case against me is pretty clearly in my filter. Ange777 and aRyuujin won't be dissuaded. no matter what I say, or how I defend myself. So that leaves the rest of you, minus jingle who I doubt would vote for himself. So up to Obvious really. I can understand if you need to change your vote to me to avoid a no lynch. No hard feelings. But when I flip green please take a close look at Ange777 and aRyuujin in particular.
ok,
See ya guys. Hope I live but if I don't It was nice to play with you guys! <3
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On August 07 2012 00:28 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:53 Shady Sands wrote:
EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence).
Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange.
There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch. Wait a minute. I actually accused MrMedic with my first game related post. And let's be frank: You can IN NO WAY infer from MrMedic AFKing so hardcore that he was replaced that he is scum. If anything, there's more of chance of him getting bored and leaving if he was VT than if he had a more exciting role. But even that is too silly to be brought up as a serious point. He probably forgot about the game, or got bored, or something. He got replaced. Do you really expect that he's some genius who planned out his replacement as a way to win? Despite how annoying JH is being lately, I actually agree with this post (or rather he agrees with me) [ + Show Spoiler +QUOTE] On August 07 2012 00:18 JingleHell wrote:On August 06 2012 23:53 Shady Sands wrote:
EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence).
Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange.
There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch. So MrMedic was "lurking" to the point of getting fucking replaced and that convinces you of my guilt? You somehow think that makes me look scummier than the person who is blatantly setting things up to direct things after my mislynch? DP clearly has foreknowledge of how I'm going to flip. And here's a WIFOM filled hypothetical for you, since you like those. Think about this. If I flipped red, which I know I won't, DP would be tomorrow's lynch for attempting to defend me. At least according to precedent. If I flip green, which I will, DP has foreknowledge of how I'll flip and is trying to make people who target me look scummy, which is scum behavior. In BOTH scenarios, no matter what you assume about my alignment, DP is scummy. However, in only ONE of those scenarios am I scummy, and if he gets me mislynched before he dies, he's still alive, can still try to get someone else lynched later, and there's less townies to fight for a majority. Lynching me first can ONLY benefit scum.
He basically says something similar about Medic's lurking, and agrees with my phat post where I outlined the two possibilities (Z/DP/Alan vs Z/DP/JH)
Shady, I think you're in danger of not seeing the big picture here. We know DP is 100% mafia. We know JH is 99% mafia. Let's not make the 1% risk and go with DP first.[/QUOTE]
In light of both Alan's and aRyuu's posts, I'm going to switch my vote to Darth. I think Darth is scum for one simple reason:
Jingle is behaving in an extremely scummy fashion. No one, not even Ange, who started the scum train on Darth, is saying that Jingle is not scum. But Darth goes out and says Jingle is townie.
Now, in the off chance that Jingle is town, how could Darth know that Jingle is town? The only way Darth could know that Jingle is town is because Darth himself is scum and can do process of elimination.
## Unvote JingleHell
## Vote Darthpunk
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OK I just saw the question from shady. i'll find the post it is covered in.
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On August 06 2012 20:09 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 18:29 aRyuujin wrote:
Please read the thread, instead of ignoring it and complaining :D
-What do you think about Alan?
-Are Ange and I the scum?
-Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?
-Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?
-Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?
-What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?
-Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussion
-Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?
-What do you think about Alan?My position on alan is dependent on the flips of others. He may be scum but at this point everything is so intertwined that I am unsure completely If You and Ange are not scum I think Alan and/or a whole host of others are sitting back laughing whilst watching townies kill each other. he is along with others potentially scum. we have 1 confirmed town. That is SHADY. -Are Ange and I the scum?I think you could very likely be a scum team. yes. -Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?Because of the way that you have both aggresively tunneled me whilst ignoring my defense and by doing so with rather weak cases. Ange777 has laid traps for myself and jingle etc. Your posting has become very different since being accused and you have only really posted when pursuing my mislynch. there are a plurality of additional reasons in my filter which I have already addressed. -Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?This is not a question this is a leading question. i.e. you make a statement and pose it as a question. The answer is however, that I was posting in response to things as I read through the thread. It is easier for me to process information that way it seems. As to why they had no content. They were addressing posts attacking me, this was their content. If they seemed as if they lacked content, this is probably due to the accusations they were addressing lacking content or you being unable or unwilling to see their content. -Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?That is not the reason. I have very clearly stated the reason I have a town read on jingle. Jingle has been the victim of similar traps that have been attempted on me. If scum ange layed those traps on myself and jingle my reasoning is that both Jingle and I have to be town. -What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?At that point in time I thought it was ridiculous to sheep shady. There were two clear candidates both had cases on them. It was the best play at that time to not wait for (an at that point largely AFK) shady to make a choice and then all sheep him. Many people (including yourself) had not yet been active and it would have been far too easy for scum to hide their votes behind this shady vote. The net knowledge gained would have been less with everyone bandwagoning one candidate. One of the main reasons argued in favour of sheeping shady was that it would prevent a no lynch, which people were certain was going to occur. I knew this would never occur. I was always going to switch my vote to avoid the no lynch. As I have said previously I thought zork MAY be scum but I was CERTAIN mordanis was. Exactly the position of ange with the candidates reversed. I was wrong she was right. It seems as if this is mainly what I am guilty of. All sheeping would have drastically reduced knowledge and discussion going forth, which would have been anti town. At this point the situation is drastically different and thus like many others have stated they would put their vote with the confirmed town. It seems you only have a problem with it if I do it. -Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussionAgain? Jingle is almost AFK and a far easier lynch. If you mislynch him and then try to mislynch me it is far more difficult for you then the other way around. Because your townie cred would have reduced following his mislynch. If you blow all your townie cred mislynching me Jingle would still be far easier to get a lynch on considering his current posting. -Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?Why haven't you?....... I am under constant attack. I have explained myself endlessly and yet I still recieve attacks that are just rehashed cases I have already addressed. Also the longer this goes. The bigger the hole you both dig for yourself when I flip green. You may say that me dragging this out is my way of catching the scum.
The post in which I explain why I think jingle is town is in here.
I don't see why it is difficult for you to believe. anyway regardless of who flips green out of jingle and I. can someone please lynch the ange train. then we have this in the bag.
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If anyone needs some clarity or finds that reasoning difficult to believe. Please ask me quickly as I really need to sleep.
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On August 07 2012 00:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 20:09 DarthPunk wrote:On August 06 2012 18:29 aRyuujin wrote:
Please read the thread, instead of ignoring it and complaining :D
-What do you think about Alan?
-Are Ange and I the scum?
-Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?
-Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?
-Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?
-What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?
-Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussion
-Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?
-What do you think about Alan?My position on alan is dependent on the flips of others. He may be scum but at this point everything is so intertwined that I am unsure completely If You and Ange are not scum I think Alan and/or a whole host of others are sitting back laughing whilst watching townies kill each other. he is along with others potentially scum. we have 1 confirmed town. That is SHADY. -Are Ange and I the scum?I think you could very likely be a scum team. yes. -Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?Because of the way that you have both aggresively tunneled me whilst ignoring my defense and by doing so with rather weak cases. Ange777 has laid traps for myself and jingle etc. Your posting has become very different since being accused and you have only really posted when pursuing my mislynch. there are a plurality of additional reasons in my filter which I have already addressed. -Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?This is not a question this is a leading question. i.e. you make a statement and pose it as a question. The answer is however, that I was posting in response to things as I read through the thread. It is easier for me to process information that way it seems. As to why they had no content. They were addressing posts attacking me, this was their content. If they seemed as if they lacked content, this is probably due to the accusations they were addressing lacking content or you being unable or unwilling to see their content. -Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?That is not the reason. I have very clearly stated the reason I have a town read on jingle. Jingle has been the victim of similar traps that have been attempted on me. If scum ange layed those traps on myself and jingle my reasoning is that both Jingle and I have to be town. -What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?At that point in time I thought it was ridiculous to sheep shady. There were two clear candidates both had cases on them. It was the best play at that time to not wait for (an at that point largely AFK) shady to make a choice and then all sheep him. Many people (including yourself) had not yet been active and it would have been far too easy for scum to hide their votes behind this shady vote. The net knowledge gained would have been less with everyone bandwagoning one candidate. One of the main reasons argued in favour of sheeping shady was that it would prevent a no lynch, which people were certain was going to occur. I knew this would never occur. I was always going to switch my vote to avoid the no lynch. As I have said previously I thought zork MAY be scum but I was CERTAIN mordanis was. Exactly the position of ange with the candidates reversed. I was wrong she was right. It seems as if this is mainly what I am guilty of. All sheeping would have drastically reduced knowledge and discussion going forth, which would have been anti town. At this point the situation is drastically different and thus like many others have stated they would put their vote with the confirmed town. It seems you only have a problem with it if I do it. -Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussionAgain? Jingle is almost AFK and a far easier lynch. If you mislynch him and then try to mislynch me it is far more difficult for you then the other way around. Because your townie cred would have reduced following his mislynch. If you blow all your townie cred mislynching me Jingle would still be far easier to get a lynch on considering his current posting. -Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?Why haven't you?....... I am under constant attack. I have explained myself endlessly and yet I still recieve attacks that are just rehashed cases I have already addressed. Also the longer this goes. The bigger the hole you both dig for yourself when I flip green. You may say that me dragging this out is my way of catching the scum. The post in which I explain why I think jingle is town is in here. I don't see why it is difficult for you to believe. anyway regardless of who flips green out of jingle and I. can someone please lynch the ange train. then we have this in the bag.
You say in your post above two things to justify your Jingle town read:
1) Jingle is AFK and an easy lynch
2) Jingle is the victim of similar traps that have been placed on you.
Point 1 doesn't make sense. Point 2 is too general. What traps have been placed on Jingle AND you?
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EBWOP: It is pretty obvious to me that if something that happened to you has also happened to another, you are both town. or the most meta WIFOM ever is going on.
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