OK. Forget work. I will just be late.

Jingle, I am suspicious for pointing out the reason why scums targeted Evul. I also think that targeting Evul does not make sense AT ALL. Which brings me back to my third reason that I wanted to talk about earlier. Evul was about to get replaced out and there was no hint that he was a power role, so why target Evul? The only other explanation is: they targeted Evul to strictly to shift suspicion on other players in this game.

I also, like Jingle, thought that Hapha or calgar would be NK'ed, at least targeted. Not only people had strong town reads on these two players, on Day 1, which would make them good targets. But also from my perspective, I thought scum would try to target Hapha or calgar to support Day 2 lynch in me. This is because they were the two players who expressed strong suspicion of me on Day 1, so the story could be written that scum Harry wanted one of them dead.

Combining these two things, even if Evul wanted to shift suspicion on other players, I thought it would still be better for scums to target Hapha, for example, to strongly push for Harry lynch.

But the other explanation, posed by Evul, is original - that both Hapha AND calgar are scums. And scums thinking in this way, then, their night action would make sense if they can somehow establish that Evul NK = Hapha Calgar scum. Of course, I am not denying that townie is also capable of this kind of thinking. But I think this still renders some evidence that Jingle is more likely to be scum than before because his way of interpreting Evul's death makes sense in terms of mafia's motive.

In addition, Hapha, do you think this game matches Jingle's meta last game?

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 19 2012 17:00 GMT

#709

On July 20 2012 00:33 JingleHell wrote:
I personally will be doing this:
##Vote Calgar

Until and unless Calgar stops trying to dismiss my case against him as "too long" (too much evidence, lolwut?) and actually responds to it.

And I already outlined my suspicion that calgar is scum. So, if I am right, then above post also makes JingleHell not because he is simply bussing calgar, but because he is leaving room for him to change his mind if calgar comes back to defend himself.

In addition, I have to go check to read the post Jingle's "breadcrumb" post, but if other people's narrations of what happened is correct, Calgar was the one player who "deciphered" Jingle's breadcrumb. This also is consistent with calgar & JingleHell scum team, who have QT.

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 19 2012 17:18 GMT

#710

And this is the reason why I wanted to wait before I talked about the third reason. I was hoping that hopefully a scum would bring up the "reason" why Evul was NK'ed and then use it as an excuse to shift suspicions on other players. Again, this does not mean whoever brought it up can't be town. But I would think there was high chance for scum(s) to come out and outline for us what this "Evul" lynch should mean to us, to carry out with the plan they devised when they decided to NK evul.

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 19 2012 23:45 GMT

#729

Jingle, is this your the breadcrumb post? BREADCRUMB

What exactly was your purpose of breadcrumbing at that point?

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 19 2012 23:57 GMT

#733

calgar, did you get a notification from the mod that you were RB/jailed?

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 20 2012 00:00 GMT

#734

calgar, if you don't answer this immediately, this is going to make you very suspicious.

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 20 2012 00:10 GMT

#737

Calgar, when did you notice JingleHell's breadcrumb?

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 20 2012 00:14 GMT

#739

If someone asks a question to mod in QT or via PM, would you answer them via QT or PM?

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 20 2012 00:15 GMT

#740

Or can mod only answer questions in this thread?

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 20 2012 00:19 GMT

#744

calgar, why are you taking so long to answer the question. when did you first notice Jingle's breadcrumb? Right after Jingle made his post?

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 20 2012 00:21 GMT

#746

calgar, after realizing the breadcrumb, were you every suspicious of Jingle for being scum?

also could you provide the link to your breadcrumb, where you communicated to Jingle that you read his?

Jingle, did you notice calgar's breadcrumb immediately?

Apologies if these have been already discussed.

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 20 2012 00:23 GMT

#750

On July 19 2012 09:02 YourHarry wrote:

Show nested quote +

Vanilla townies also get roleblocked. So do scums

Calgar, did you say this was the reason why you retracted the reason #12 why I am scum?

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 20 2012 00:25 GMT

#752

On July 20 2012 09:23 calgar wrote:

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Enough questions from you for now. Why don't you read since I already did link it?

Yes, sorry to have to do this to you, but I sort of feel that this is time-sensitive. If you don't want to answer them, that's OK.

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 20 2012 00:26 GMT

#753

On July 20 2012 09:25 JingleHell wrote:

Show nested quote +

Not reading the thread completely, twice now you've tried to get people to claim blue roles, along with everything else you've had commented on already... You're looking better and better.

I am re-reading the thread now. But... at this kind of situation, you are expressing your suspicion because I didn't completely read the thread!?!

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 20 2012 00:28 GMT

#755

On July 20 2012 09:27 JingleHell wrote:
So who else is starting to wonder wtf is up with harry's motives?

He's been content to sit back and watch for the most part, only chipping in a little as long as things were moving, but when misunderstandings smooth over, he goes back to machine gun posts, half of which can't even be WIFOM'd into something pro town...

I am just trying to gather more and more evidence why you and calgar are scums

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

July 20 2012 00:45 GMT

#762

Mufaa, Hopeless answer your question. I was not trying to rolehunt. I believed, and I outlined this belief earlier, that even vanillas receive "roleblocked" notifications.

My only reservation against Jingle's case is that no one has counter-claimed Jailkeeper...

If you are the jailkeeper (other than Jingle), please counter-claim.