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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
The longer you stay alive, the more worthless your investigations are. Good god, lynch me if you have to. Then lynch Risen tomorrow, because theres no way the mafia will kill him, then we can at least have 1 confirmed townie left in the LYLO day. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
There are 2 options: 1) Risen is actually cop. How do we confirm that he's cop, when he doesn't have a scum read? If he had a scum read, we could lynch the read because we still have 2 mislynches to play with to test his claim. The only way to confirm his claim, and therefore investigations, is if he dies. But what motivation does mafia have to kill him, especially if they have a roleblocker (which we don't know, but Milton claimed, which I admit is suspicious). 2) Risen is fake claiming. How do we confirm? When he dies, which obviously won't happen at night. Even if we lynch gonzaw and he flips scum (which seems likely considering his outburst after the cop claim), that doesn't PROVE that Risen is cop, since Risen doesn't have a scum investigation on him. A fake claim into bussing a teamate isn't completely out of the realm of possibility. Literally the only way for your investigations to mean *ANYTHING* is if you die, which makes me question why you even decided to claim in the first place. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 18 2012 14:30 Keirathi wrote: Basically my stance comes down to this: There are 2 options: 1) Risen is actually cop. How do we confirm that he's cop, when he doesn't have a scum read? If he had a scum read, we could lynch the read because we still have 2 mislynches to play with to test his claim. The only way to confirm his claim, and therefore investigations, is if he dies. But what motivation does mafia have to kill him, especially if they have a roleblocker (which we don't know, but Milton claimed, which I admit is suspicious). 2) Risen is fake claiming. How do we confirm? When he dies, which obviously won't happen at night. Even if we lynch gonzaw and he flips scum (which seems likely considering his outburst after the cop claim), that doesn't PROVE that Risen is cop, since Risen doesn't have a scum investigation on him. A fake claim into bussing a teamate isn't completely out of the realm of possibility. Literally the only way for your investigations to mean *ANYTHING* is if you die, which makes me question why you even decided to claim in the first place. I was assuming the mason would claim. Also, I was assuming everyone would catch onto my #whatacopout which was probably a really bad decision in hindsight, but I wanted people to be confident in strongandbig as town. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I think ideally, I would like every single person to tell me that they weren't RB'd n1. If everyone says they weren't RB'd n1, then Milton getting RB'd is extremely, extremely suspicious and basically just told us he was scum. I feel like maybe someone was RB'd though and just didn't know if they should claim it or not. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 18 2012 14:46 Keirathi wrote: I'm not really sure what to think. I think ideally, I would like every single person to tell me that they weren't RB'd n1. If everyone says they weren't RB'd n1, then Milton getting RB'd is extremely, extremely suspicious and basically just told us he was scum. I feel like maybe someone was RB'd though and just didn't know if they should claim it or not. Who would think that? Why would someone be silent on that? That makes no sense... | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 18 2012 14:54 Mattchew wrote: Yeah so we should be lynching Gonzaw, cause hes scum What are you thinking about Keirathi? About miltonkram? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On July 18 2012 14:55 Risen wrote: Who would think that? Why would someone be silent on that? That makes no sense... I dunno. In my last newbie game, I got RB'd as cop on night 3 (which was when I replaced in), but no one else had claimed being RB'd the entire game when I did. Which was why I asked the question about VT's getting RB messages. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 18 2012 15:06 Keirathi wrote: Also I have a hard time believing scum Milton would say he was RB'd when no one said they were night1. It's obviously going to put suspicion on him, so why would he do it? That's some serious WIFOM. Maybe he messed up? Maybe he was hoping to seemingly "add" to the discussion without actually doing anything. I guess it's null, but I don't have very many scum reads and so anything shady is bringing people to the forefront in my opinion. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 18 2012 15:06 Keirathi wrote: Also I have a hard time believing scum Milton would say he was RB'd when no one said they were night1. It's obviously going to put suspicion on him, so why would he do it? You have a hard time believing that and yet you're completely ok with a scum risen claiming cop with two town reads. That makes sense... oh wait no it doesn't #keirathiisscum | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On July 18 2012 15:43 Risen wrote: You have a hard time believing that and yet you're completely ok with a scum risen claiming cop with two town reads. That makes sense... oh wait no it doesn't #keirathiisscum Err, what? I never said that you claiming cop as scum would be a good idea. But at least I can make a case as to why a scum would fake claim cop in a non-MYLO/LYLO situation. I can't think of any case where it benefits scum to claim they were RB'd on n2 when no one claimed they were n1. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
there's no reason to lynch risen today. if he lives tomorrow then we can start thinking about lynching him but we should be lynching someone else today. i'm down to lynch keirathi or gonzaw, i'll try and post more later today but I can't promise anything since it's been pretty busy at work i'll definitely post more before the lynch though | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On July 18 2012 16:02 strongandbig wrote: scum can't leave a town cop alive, he might check them What about if the mafia has a roleblocker? They've effectively turned him into a VT for the rest of the game, and the longer he lives the more suspicious his claim is. I can think of another case where they would leave him alive, but there are probably too many nights left for that to be viable. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I got wrapped up in Newbie XVIII arguing all day over a similar situation, and it ended up costing us the game. Even though I don't necessarily think my idea is as bad as some people seem to think, I agree that lynching scum is better than lynching a cop to confirm his claim, so lets do that. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
I don't know why I was RB'd, I just know that I was. There are a few possible explanations though. 1. We have a town jailkeeper. The jailkeeper protected me during the night. I find this extremely unlikely seeing as no one claimed RB N1. 2. We have a town aligned RBer with a scum read on me. I find this somewhat likely. It would explain the lack of a roleblock N1 due to the fact that there was suspicion on pretty much everyone and the RBer . 3. The scum team has a roleblocker who decided not to use his power N1 in order to make a town-aligned player look really bad. This is a definite possibility. 4. I'm scum and I'm fakeclaiming. Just a hint, I'm not. I'll be starting my mafia binge shortly to see if I can make some decent reads. I'd like everyone to keep in mind that whether or not Risen is fakeclaiming, claims shouldn't take precedence over good, old fashioned case making. If you see something scummy, bring it up. | ||
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