EPTI would not mind some protection tonight. That jail cell of your's looks pretty cozy from where I'm standing.
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
I would not mind some protection tonight. That jail cell of your's looks pretty cozy from where I'm standing. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
I have not considered all your setup discussion scummy as of yet, but now you're blatantly contradicting yourself. Seriously dude, wtf is with this? On July 14 2012 00:31 gonzaw wrote: So Cops....check away, any Red check you get will be legit (no Miller claimed and you are guaranteed to be sane). On July 17 2012 07:05 gonzaw wrote: Maybe he actually is a cop but was actually Insane ? >_> @Keirathi I know I promised you a response to your post, but some stuff has come up and I kinda wanna take a break from the game anyway. I'll respond in like 2-4 hours. Does anyone else have the feeling that there is no framer in this setup? Having both a framer AND a godfather AND the possibility of millers seems like anti-cop overkill. If there is indeed no framer, then all cop checks from now on are guaranteed accurate. If anybody tries to claim miller AFTER there is a guilty on them, I will be extremely suspicious of them since we all agreed they should claim. Keep in mind framer cannot self-frame | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On July 17 2012 08:21 sciberbia wrote: @gonzaw I have not considered all your setup discussion scummy as of yet, but now you're blatantly contradicting yourself. Seriously dude, wtf is with this? @Keirathi I know I promised you a response to your post, but some stuff has come up and I kinda wanna take a break from the game anyway. I'll respond in like 2-4 hours. Does anyone else have the feeling that there is no framer in this setup? Having both a framer AND a godfather AND the possibility of millers seems like anti-cop overkill. If there is indeed no framer, then all cop checks from now on are guaranteed accurate. If anybody tries to claim miller AFTER there is a guilty on them, I will be extremely suspicious of them since we all agreed they should claim. Keep in mind framer cannot self-frame You are right, I doubt there are all 3. And no Millers claimed, so I think Godfather + Framer is a decent possibility with no one claiming being roleblocked n1. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
The unintelligible zergtalk in the setup is nice flavor, but makes it difficult to know exact roles. Can framers target scum and make them look town? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 15 2012 10:19 austinmcc wrote: (1) not have gonzaw speculate about setup CHECK (2) lynch scum CHECK (3) currently would most like to lynch matt/talis, perhaps drop/solstice as other options CHECK (4) would like more info from ... dear lord, everyone? Numbers 1, 2, and 4 still hold true for tonight and tomorrow. Will be revisiting 3. I really wish we'd had a more chatty day, had multiple players, too many to be scum, inactive the day away. No bueno for town-o. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Are you still suspicious of me? I'm just wondering since you haven't really talked about me in forever... I'm working on a response to keirathi atm. | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
He will be receiving a warning and will be replaced at the next noncompliance with rules. The vote tally has been updated to reflect this fact. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:04 Keirathi wrote: Also @sciberbia: why am I not your top candidate anymore? You repeatedly stated at the end of Day1 that I was your biggest scum read, but you were going to consolidate onto Vivax just to avoid the no-lynch, which is fine. I think you slightly misunderstand my D1 reads. I wasn't consolidating onto Vivax. He was actually my personal top choice by the end of the day (before he started towntelling). I stated this at least once. explanation about D1 OK so first thing to understand is that, while keirathi was my top scumread, I don't think I've ever been so unsure about my top scumread. I was thinking to myself that he was maybe 40% scum. I think I made it clear that my scumread on keirathi was by no means strong On July 13 2012 08:38 sciberbia wrote: My top lynch candidate is currently Keirathi ... Overall, I would rate Keirathi as somewhat suspicious On July 13 2012 17:28 sciberbia wrote: @Keirathi If you're really town, at least give us the chance to read you that way. I don't think this defeatist attitude is going to convince anybody. Do some more scumhunting. Post some of your notes. IMO, nothing in your filter is irrevocably scummy, and I'd like to think that I'd be able to change my mind on you if you are town and make some good posts. When I wrote my case on Vivax, I realized he was a close 2nd as far as my suspicions go, but again, I was by no means confident that he was mafia. A couple of vivax's posts subsequent to my initial reads made him pass keirathi on my list of suspicions. I stated this here: On July 14 2012 06:18 sciberbia wrote: I'm feeling like vivax would be my personal top choice right now followed by Keirathi, but nobody else seems that interested in lynching them. For me, from most to least scummy, it is: vivax, keirathi, dropbear, s0Lstice, risen, austin I really don't know which of them we can even get enough votes for, but I'm currently feeling more anti-vivax than anti-keriathi and I think the vivax case also has more steam behind it, so I will ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax OK so lynch time came around and I started getting all frantic -- as you can tell from my posts. You don't really specify anything that bothers you, so I'm not sure what to defend. My statement to marv was just trying to get more votes on my top lynch candidate. Marv said he might actually prefer vivax to dropbear, but was expressing hesitation. So I gave him a kick in the butt. I think you might feel better about my behavior at the end of D1 if you compare it to my behavior at the end of D1 in NMM XIV. Just like in this game, D1 came down to two candidates with only a few minutes to go. I displayed similar frantic behavior, which made people get suspicious of me. I was townie. my case against talis About the last two parts of my case: talis attacking every lynch candidate (parroting gonzaw) and defending noone. I grant that they aren't major points and maybe aren't that tangible or convential scumtells, but I felt they were significant. Townies should have townreads that they are willing to fight for. Scum don't care who gets lynched as long as it isn't them or their scumbuddies. The line about talis being gonzaw's parrot was inspired by two things -- I had (and still have) great suspicion of a gonzaw + talis scumteam which you will hear more about tonight/tomorrow -- I was thinking back to NMM XIX where keirathi nailed two scum because they had the same reads. I think this is a reasonable scumtell. What scum wouldn't feel inclined to sheep reads off their scumbuddy and all-powerful gonzaw? Even if gonzaw is town, I don't like when people's reads are too aggreable As far as using similar language as other people, I've noticed I do that a lot. I like stealing other people's nifty phrases. Don't see how that is a scumtell though lol why keirathi was not my top candidate today As I explained earlier, I was maybe 40% confident that you were scum D1. This percentage maybe went down slightly since then. The main reason keirathi was not my top scumread today is that talismania looked so damn scummy to me and I still have a good feeling about a talis + gonzaw scumteam. Honestly, your "towntell" wasn't that big a deal to me. That is something I could totally see myself saying as scum as a fake towntell. Your moving down my list has more to do with the fact that scummier candidates came up. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 17 2012 10:05 sciberbia wrote: @Mattchew Are you still suspicious of me? I'm just wondering since you haven't really talked about me in forever... I'm working on a response to keirathi atm. You started the lynch on now confirmed scum. I do not think you are scum any longer. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 17 2012 10:18 s0Lstice wrote: Mattchew, I'm still waiting for your read on risen. Working on it | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 17 2012 04:50 strongandbig wrote: Hmm, I guess I'll change my vote to talismania. I should put my money where my mouth is, and I haven't been too convinced by the defences so far. I still think s0lstice and dropbear look scummy though. ##unvote ##vote: talismania On July 17 2012 06:28 Risen wrote: I'm really sdorry guys I've been with my friend in the hospital all day. I did a quick read through and I'll be voting talismania based solely upon my town reads voting for him. I have no case and I'm really sorry guys,. ##vote talismania Also, s0L I like how you bring up something I later took back about Mattchew. He went from being town in my eyes to scummy based on his posting style. Is there a reason you're trying to make it look like I'm defending Mattchew when I'm actually calling him scum? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On July 17 2012 10:53 austinmcc wrote: SnB changes his vote from dropbear to talis and was the hammer. Very interesting. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
His reads are constantly evolving and changing more WAY more than when I played with him as scum, and he basically started and got Vivax lynched. While I didn't agree with the lynch + Show Spoiler + This leads me to my next scum candidate. Gonzaw. I was waiting to push this until Talis flipped because A. I wanted to see if he was scum and B. I wanted to keep the conversation on Talis. I will make my case before deadline tomorrow. I have a lot of it mapped out in my head just not written down yet and I want to keep up with the fast pace of Bureaurcracy Mafia tonight | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 17 2012 08:21 sciberbia wrote: @gonzaw I have not considered all your setup discussion scummy as of yet, but now you're blatantly contradicting yourself. Seriously dude, wtf is with this? lol excuse me I didn't spend 5 minutes reading the OP again before making that question after I waited MORE than I should have (remember I said I was going away right at the deadline, yet I waited a little bit more) (also it was obviously a joke). If you still think I'm "tali's scumbuddy" then post your actual suspicions (if they changed at all from yesterday). I hoped my contributions would confirm me as town, but well I can't have everything. On July 17 2012 10:02 Mattchew wrote: The normally long winded Gonzaw gives no reasoning for why he thinks I bussed but is more than willing to put that idea out in the thread This is the kind of stuff that makes me suspicious of you Matt. "gonzaw gives no reasoning" fuck you Mattchew don't lie I wrote a Bible about you: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147¤tpage=41#818 You just didn't do shit today other than park your vote on talis based on his case on Dropbear being bad (and you only mentioned a little stuff about him not pushing Dropbear). That's it you didn't do any other shit. What's worrying (just like I found about talis) is that you didn't play like this AT ALL early D1. Here, compare these posts: On July 12 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote: Also, talis has the worst plan ever with his 3 people thing. That just allows people to half ass push some stupid reads and then connections theories run wild and everything turns to shit On July 12 2012 22:39 Mattchew wrote: Strong I feel like the entirety of your posts could easily be made by either town or scum, if this is you trying to establish your alignment you have done a poor job with me. Your post is longwinded and looks to explain your thought process, but we both know that 95% of your posts content has nothing to do with this game at all. Not only that but your early attempt at a read on marv does not even account for his other posts in the thread. And your reasoning for voting him from this game is too, extremely weak. On July 12 2012 22:43 Mattchew wrote: he is trying really really hard, and once again he is explaining his entire thought process. I dont think i have ever seen him as scum, but this is the exactly how he plays as town On July 13 2012 07:05 Mattchew wrote: Gonzaw I strongly (pun intended) believe the strong is town and I do not want to lynch him today. He says stupid stuff, like "Sorry bro, but that's kind of the nature of the game I guess - any post could be made either by scum or by town? " but he also posts about his gut reads, which while they can be faked, I don't think he did. I think gut reads are very townie On July 14 2012 03:30 Mattchew wrote: Scum don't usually defend people with good reasoning, like i think drop did. Also, he is aggressive and willing to take on the loudest person here (you) which means he's not afraid of the attention, another thing scum is unlikely to do With these: On July 16 2012 03:10 Mattchew wrote: Drop you should be voting Talis with me, what do you think makes solstice more scummy than Talis? On July 16 2012 03:18 Mattchew wrote: Mostly because I am unsure of gonzaw, and I can only vote/lynch 1 person today On July 16 2012 05:42 Mattchew wrote: still suspicious, just sure of you, nice scummy deflection btw and risen, do you not agree with my case on Talis? What do you find wrong with it or townie about him On July 16 2012 07:06 Mattchew wrote: S&B your thoughts on talis? I want him dead Early D1 you were pro-town as fuck. Every time someone posted something "interesting" (tali's plan, S&B's post about marv) you commented on it. You posted your reads on people without being asked if they conflicted reads from others, and you justified them. You were active, but not only that you cared about what was happening since you were actively interacting with people regarding different matters, posting thoughts and stuff. But later (after your D1 fiasco) you just parked your vote on talis, and spent 80% of your posts just going "what do you think of talis" or "vote talis" or "I want talis dead" or "talis talis talis". The difference is astonishing and I don't know why you changed your play like that in the same fucking game. What about all the million of things we were talking about? About solstice, about sciberbia, about S&B, about Dropbear, etc ,etc? If this had been early-D1-Mattchew you would have commented on those issues and given a justified response, however D2-Mattchew would just go "lynch talis". Talis' flip has nothing to do with your own play, you can easily bus him, place your vote on him and that's it (you weren't actively trying to get him lynched, since saying "look at my case lynch him" is not an active way to get people to vote for your scumread, hell it even slightly resembles what talis did on Dropbear). For instance, compare all the shit sciberbia/austin wrote about talis each time and what you wrote and you can see the difference. "Bussing" scum is not a justification for not doing shit, and that's what I find odd The fact that you find me suspicious and case doubt on me without saying shit about it (even when you found me town early D1) is concerning as well Oh yeah I didn't even touch your D1 "blunder" but I already posted about it. Right now you are not giving a fuck, and that makes me suspicious of you because you easily don't give a fuck as scum and because you did actually give a fuck early D1 yet your behaviour completely changed. Pre-Edit: I'm still kind of torn since it's possible you just were content with how things were going on D2 and thus didn't see the need to do shit; but I still find it odd since that's not what you were doing in early D1 at all | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
But later (after your D1 fiasco) you just parked your vote on talis, and spent 80% of your posts just going "what do you think of talis" or "vote talis" or "I want talis dead" or "talis talis talis". Like, no offense to scib, but I would put a lot of the weight on Talis actually getting lynched on me forcing attention onto him. Scib's case was good and all, but would you agree that without me pushing individuals (not just HEY THREAD I MADE A CASE) was the real reason for all the votes on Talis? I wanted to get Talis lynched, something you flipflopped on a lot which I am extremely suspicious of. I think I did a pretty good job of bringing people from "I would lynch x,x, and talis," to actually voting and getting on Talis. But thats enough for patting myself on the back. | ||
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