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On July 24 2012 09:26 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 09:18 Mattchew wrote:On July 24 2012 09:14 Probulous wrote:On July 24 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Prob I find/found it weird that you were unwilling to discuss Katina with me. Usually you and Gonzaw are both extremely longwinded and willing to type out your thoughts on literally anything at anytime. With so many votes on Palmar he was/is set to be lynched and you STILL refused to answer questions about her. There is something different about you this game See Day 1. I worked like an all mighty bitch to get a lynch of either Gonzaw (my preferred) or BH (backup). By my reads that would be a choice between two scum which explains why it was so hard. My point though is that the no lynch was facilitated because people were allowed to bring in other targets. I was one of them. Take it as lesson learnt. Palmar is my strongest read and so I have pushed him. If you want to lynch someone else, then explain why my case is wrong and I will consider yours. Until you do that I am not risking a no lynch simply because someone else might be scum. You forget we have less voting power than usual. Lol you forget that other cases may be as good if not stronger than yours. Didn't you chastise (or atleast allow people to chastise) me for doing the exact same thing to my strongest read Katina? I don't see you revoking my claims in order to push my vote onto Palmar. Why should I do something that you are not willing to do yourself? That's a fair point. To counter I posit that Palmar is more likely to be an Exec than Katina and so a more useful lynch. Besides, the choice was really between Zealos and Palmar. Katina never went anywhere, we can look at her tomorrow. As for Zealos, well when he flips, he will flip Zealos. The guy looks like scum when he is town and given Kurumi's flip I am sceptical of Sandroba PM plans acually outing scum and not dumb town. Again I go back to my original point, if you wanted my vote, I made it clear how to get it.
Good point.
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I am dumb and bad at mafia
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Syllo style working backwards time
layabout
sloosh
HiroPro
Bill Murray
Gonzaw
Meapak_Ziphh
austinmcc
Katina
rastaban
marvellosity
risk.nuke
Q-bert-Z
Zealos
I took out all dead people, and anyone I consider strongest town reads (syllo super prob VE chez)
Next lets take off the list people I dont think are possible lynches for today (this will be biased)
Bill Murray
austinmcc
risk.nuke
marvellosity
Gonzaw
This leaves us with
layabout
sloosh
hiropro
Meapak_Ziphh
Katina
Rastaban
Q-bert-Z
Zealos
With me believing Sloosh's claim and Q-bert-Z's excuse
This leaves our remaining scum team
probable Execs - MZ and Foolishness's Girlfriend
probable minions - layabout, hiropro, Rastaban, Zealos
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That was a combination post of who to lynch, that turned into a reads post lol
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Lol at rasta not knowing how to look at times of posts
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There is obviously a reason they won't/can't be lynched tomorrow and I even said that those names were biased
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was posting from my phone in my car, back to being on a real computer
On July 25 2012 01:05 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 01:00 Mattchew wrote:
Lol at rasta not knowing how to look at times of posts Bah, Your filter is too big I get lost  I still think the point stands. While you were eventually able to vote for him you didn't want to. I don't think that makes you scum alone, but it is definitely not a point in your favor. My problem is that you are willing to post and argue points to defend people but other than Katina we don't see you arguing for a lynch of someone.
Thats because there has not been a candidate I have endorsed (other than kurumi) that has been up for lynch. I had a town read on BH, I was wrong, and I thought the bandwagon on Gonzaw was due to him not having enough time for this game, and I now have a town read on him. I had a null read on Palmar and there was no other lynch candidates, once again I was wrong, or atleast didn't see what everyone else so blatantly did see. I would have lynched katina, you, or zealos over Palmar yesterday, but there wasn't a second candidate. Also, I would have gladly voted Foolishness day 3 if he was still alive.
On July 25 2012 01:05 HiroPro wrote:
Eh, the lists aren't really the thing that make Matt scum. It's the fact that he focuses only on Katina (without really saying much other than lynch her and "wbg said this is a good way to catch katina", picks up on inconsequential things going on in the thread (like the thing about VE going "wah wah wah") and tries to use that as justification for his "reads", and doesn't really make pushes for anyone to be lynched (other than katina, who has never been a serious candidate).
Are you trying to discount my analysis using WBG's method or WBG's method? If you are trying to discount my analysis you clearly did not read it (its not just 1 post in my filter). If you are trying to discount WBG's method then you are probably just plain wrong. Read above for making pushes for lynches.
On July 25 2012 01:15 marvellosity wrote:
Humour me then; what do you think the consensus read on austin is at the moment?
Null. This was what happened to me too. If everyone actually looked at the number of people they've called scum and the number of scum left (6), they'd probably realize there isn't enough scum to go around.
In my opinion, he is spending too much time trying to figure out the game, and not trying to figure out its players. This can be seen in his paranoia about sandroba and his constant discussion of roles. I don't know if this is because he is afraid to discuss players and their motives or if it is because he is just trying to figure it out the "safe" "mod-confirmed" way
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On July 25 2012 01:31 marvellosity wrote:I'll vouch that the content of your post did not change 
samesies
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On July 25 2012 02:02 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 01:58 marvellosity wrote:
Whose guilt have you been convincing us of then Hiro? ^^ BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game. If you do not get what I am talking about with regards to Matt, look at his view on MZ for example. He calls MZ scum in the very beginning, then has proceeded to do nothing about it. After day 1 all he ever does with MZ is include him on ever single scum list he makes. He's not talking at all about what MZ is posting.
Define doing nothing about it.
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On July 25 2012 02:10 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:05 Mattchew wrote:On July 25 2012 02:02 HiroPro wrote:On July 25 2012 01:58 marvellosity wrote:
Whose guilt have you been convincing us of then Hiro? ^^ BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game. If you do not get what I am talking about with regards to Matt, look at his view on MZ for example. He calls MZ scum in the very beginning, then has proceeded to do nothing about it. After day 1 all he ever does with MZ is include him on ever single scum list he makes. He's not talking at all about what MZ is posting. Define doing nothing about it. Everything Mattchew has ever said about MZ since day 1. I call this doing nothing about it. + Show Spoiler +On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote:
If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost
Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum
Katina - read my filter
Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting
Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself
Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL
Bill Murray
Chezinu
On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.
So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH. Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah For those keeping score at home Scum = Foolishness Kurumi VE Rastaban Katina MZ maybe chez? On July 20 2012 07:42 Mattchew wrote:
Cool add zealos to the list
Scum =
Foolishness
Kurumi
Zealos
VE
Rastaban
Katina
MZ
On July 24 2012 23:59 Mattchew wrote:
Syllo style working backwards time
layabout
sloosh
HiroPro
Bill Murray
Gonzaw
Meapak_Ziphh
austinmcc
Katina
rastaban
marvellosity
risk.nuke
Q-bert-Z
Zealos
I took out all dead people, and anyone I consider strongest town reads (syllo super prob VE chez)
Next lets take off the list people I dont think are possible lynches for today (this will be biased)
Bill Murray
austinmcc
risk.nuke
marvellosity
Gonzaw
This leaves us with
layabout
sloosh
hiropro
Meapak_Ziphh
Katina
Rastaban
Q-bert-Z
Zealos
With me believing Sloosh's claim and Q-bert-Z's excuse
This leaves our remaining scum team
probable Execs - MZ and Foolishness's Girlfriend
probable minions - layabout, hiropro, Rastaban, Zealos
Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 02:05 marvellosity wrote:
Alright... you're up for lynching Zealos tomorrow then? Yes.
Kurumi was the day 2 lynch completely uncontested
Palmar was the day 3 lynch basically uncontested due to syllo prob and supersoft
wtf else do you want me to do then to keep him in mind... My read on him hasn't changed
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do the 2 VP's have communication with each other? cause if not, and if foolishness did not tell them who the other was, we are essentially playing against 2 scum teams
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On July 25 2012 03:03 Katina wrote:
To answer a question I saw a few pages back, I'm not really leaning for sure Mafia on Syllo anymore after I went through his filter a while ago. I'm more of a null read on him right now and I wouldn't be up to lynch him at this moment since I have found others who are much more scummier to me. I don't think it's a good idea to lynch Zealos (atleast not right now) As I said there are others that should be lynched instead right now.
I feel strongly for a sloosh or gonzaw lynch as I have state before. I have seen some talk sbout Meapak and I wouldn't mind that either (Since he's on my list) but as for Zealos he hasn't been around for awhile so I will hold off on that until I see more from him. His filter can go either way... Either Mafia or misguided townie (I'm not positive on which one like Mattchew)
On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Gonzaw: I noticed that in the two pages of his filter he complains a lot about the how much chaos is in the thread but yet he does nothing about it. Instead Gonzaw often goes off and comes back eventually posts something then gone again. He talks a lot about other players in the game but never hard pushes anyone. Gonzaw makes long posts that basically ramble on certain player and by the end I have forgotten what I have read. He tries to look useful with his posts but in the end they are just taking up space. He throws doubt around the town and takes off when he has done his job. I'm aware that he said he was away this weekend and can't be here to properly defend himself.
this is literally all you have said about Gonzaw in terms of how you define his alignment. The first part can be attributed to his lack of time (to read and to post) and the 2nd part is like literally the most typical town Gonzaw-like play ever, meaning you have not taken account for his meta or previous games.
On July 23 2012 09:13 Katina wrote:
I don't think I believe sloosh's claim. He doesn't say much all game then comes in when foolishness dies and claims he killed him. I'm more inclined to believe supersoft. sloosh made it on my Mafia list. I think VE is probably town and Mattchew might be as well just extremely misguided same goes for rastaban. Palmar needs to be lynched today then one of the following next:
Sloosh
Meapak
Gonzaw
Layabout
risk.nuke
This is all you've said about sloosh. You don't believe his claim. You don't have reason for why you don't believe his claim, you just... dont?
Katina, you are pushing lynches that you have just about not commented on. And now syllo is null, and rastaban says he hasn't done anything lol.
I forgot to mention at any point that I did not want to lynch Gonzaw day 1 because I was playing in another game (I cant believe its not themed) and I was scum, and I was pushing Gonzaw for lynch on the same principals that he was being pushed for here.
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On July 25 2012 06:30 syllogism wrote:
I see you did post some thoughts of your own about him, but you would think palmar/foolishness flipping mafia and pushing the lynch would make you reconsider a bit. I don't particularly like the post where you commented on Foolishness' case as it had too many strange clarifications and you even said that you had started ignoring him, just like in a previous game where he flipped mafia...
its very possible neither knew of his alignment
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Some of it read quite decently though with her belief of BH/Palmar being scum. Basically I'm saying I'm on the fence with her atm.
Marv imo this means nothing given the setup
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quoted too much, just meant to cut off at the BH/Palmar bit.
also Marv
On July 23 2012 11:24 Mattchew wrote:
What do you make of the fact that in 2 posts to start day 2 Katina doesn't mention Palmar (or vote him) and then until switches back to being "on him" when the bandwagon today had started rolling.
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On July 25 2012 07:00 marvellosity wrote:
What's her goal in bringing him up early and then not talking about him for a couple of posts?
well day 1 and day 2, there was no chance of a palmar lynch (especially when she made the case)...
He was supposed to be her strongest read right, wouldn't she be immediately pushing him on day 3 if this was the case?
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On July 25 2012 06:59 syllogism wrote:
Of course it means something. Just because mafia do not know who the other mafia are does not mean they want to actually lynch mafia if they can get away with it. Pushing to lynch mafia every day isn't a very sound strategy for a mafia victory.
This is using your knowledge that like Palmar is 100% scum. Not everyone is as confident as you (I would argue like literally no one is) and I don't think Katina was as confident as you.
If Katina is scum and was not in connection with Palmar, there is an extremely low chance of Palmar being scum.
lets say katina is an exec, and Palmar is not her minion (50/50), one would assume that if Palmar was scum, he'd be the other exec, but thats only 1 person out of a list of like 7 or 8 vets in the game.
lets say katina is a minion, palmar is not her exec so that leaves the same situation as found above.
I think the consensus of the thread and everyone in general was that if Palmar were to flip scum, he'd be an exec. This means that if Katina did not know his role she would be actually playing it pretty safe thinking Palmar was town due to the numbers alone
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On July 25 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 07:10 Mattchew wrote:On July 25 2012 06:59 syllogism wrote:
Of course it means something. Just because mafia do not know who the other mafia are does not mean they want to actually lynch mafia if they can get away with it. Pushing to lynch mafia every day isn't a very sound strategy for a mafia victory. This is using your knowledge that like Palmar is 100% scum. Not everyone is as confident as you (I would argue like literally no one is) and I don't think Katina was as confident as you. If Katina is scum and was not in connection with Palmar, there is an extremely low chance of Palmar being scum. lets say katina is an exec, and Palmar is not her minion (50/50), one would assume that if Palmar was scum, he'd be the other exec, but thats only 1 person out of a list of like 7 or 8 vets in the game. lets say katina is a minion, palmar is not her exec so that leaves the same situation as found above. I think the consensus of the thread and everyone in general was that if Palmar were to flip scum, he'd be an exec. This means that if Katina did not know his role she would be actually playing it pretty safe thinking Palmar was town due to the numbers alone ? This is all nonsense.
it isn't but she said Palmar wasn't an exec so its null and void anyway
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