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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 25 2012 16:52 GMT
#3421
Chezinu do you know which CEO's minion we killed last night? one of them is leading in power once again.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 25 2012 17:01 GMT
#3422
On July 26 2012 01:52 rastaban wrote:
Chezinu do you know which CEO's minion we killed last night? one of them is leading in power once again.


Probulous killed a minion of the Chairman, who was as far as I know the second minion of the Chairman to fall.

Here's hoping the Chairman is the one calling the kills. LMAO
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 25 2012 17:02 GMT
#3423
Yes. It's not like Syllo and I want to lynch different people. We want to lynch the same people only in a different order.
I'll change my vote to Gonzaw if MZ still has no majority in 3 hours.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 25 2012 17:19 GMT
#3424
Wow ... maybe this will help you guys
##Nuke: Meapak_Ziphh
##Shoot: Meapak_Ziphh
##Lynch: Meapak_Ziphh
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh


I used my shot. I have no other abilities. BM chose to use his ability on QbertZ last time, don't know why you expect him to do it this time, and I still don't see how you guys think his D2 actions concerning Kurumi - Sandroba - Chezinu make any sense.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 25 2012 17:26 GMT
#3425
On July 26 2012 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2012 01:52 rastaban wrote:
Chezinu do you know which CEO's minion we killed last night? one of them is leading in power once again.


Probulous killed a minion of the Chairman, who was as far as I know the second minion of the Chairman to fall.

Here's hoping the Chairman is the one calling the kills. LMAO


On July 22 2012 09:12 Protactinium wrote:
Lastly, your team will vote on a kill. During the day, the rest of the mafia will send in their kill choice to the mod. At the lynch we will present you with a list of names to choose the kill from.. If you die the Chairman of the Board takes over your job, then the vice president of marketing, and if he dies then the name which comes up the most from the remaining mafia members is the target. Once per game you may eschew the advice of your minions and simply choose the target yourself.
Chairman only knows 1 minion so the other branch cannot anticipate the night kills and act accordingly. On the flip side since he only has 1 buddy they will have constant messaging. And again on the flip side if the last minion is a mole we get all the juicy stuff, and so here's to paranoia!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 25 2012 17:45 GMT
#3426
If the Traitorous Employee wins with town, then why hasn't he claimed? What makes you think he wins with town slOosh? I didn't see ANYTHING that implied that in Foolish' role description slOosh, which is the only source of information on the subject I can even imagine.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 25 2012 17:58 GMT
#3427
On July 26 2012 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
If the Traitorous Employee wins with town, then why hasn't he claimed? What makes you think he wins with town slOosh? I didn't see ANYTHING that implied that in Foolish' role description slOosh, which is the only source of information on the subject I can even imagine.

Probably because he'd get instagibbed:

you have the power to kill your own employees. Any time during the game, you may use your secret trap door to anonymously (and instantaneously) kill one of your employees in an attempt to kill the traitor (one use). However, the trap door only works on your own employees. If you use it on a non-employee, the kill does not go through, they are notified someone made an attempt on their life but not who, and your night action immunity goes kaput.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 25 2012 18:01 GMT
#3428
Foolish is dead MZ.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 25 2012 18:12 GMT
#3429
Foolish had mafia-targetting KP, dead.
BH had KP that would kill him if he didn't hit mafia, dead.

For the traitor to believe he'd get gibbed, you'd have to think there's a THIRD mafia KP to target mafia with.
Fe fi fo fum.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7456 Posts
July 25 2012 19:13 GMT
#3430
On July 26 2012 02:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2012 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
If the Traitorous Employee wins with town, then why hasn't he claimed? What makes you think he wins with town slOosh? I didn't see ANYTHING that implied that in Foolish' role description slOosh, which is the only source of information on the subject I can even imagine.

Probably because he'd get instagibbed:

Show nested quote +
you have the power to kill your own employees. Any time during the game, you may use your secret trap door to anonymously (and instantaneously) kill one of your employees in an attempt to kill the traitor (one use). However, the trap door only works on your own employees. If you use it on a non-employee, the kill does not go through, they are notified someone made an attempt on their life but not who, and your night action immunity goes kaput.

Maybe someone thought silly was a traitor?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 25 2012 19:19 GMT
#3431
Okay, when I was spouting off about Kurumi I didn't listen to him telling me Sandroba was town and just "stupid." Been going back through filters. Kurumi red on both Gonzaw and MZ, pushes MZ a few times (early pushes not in spoiler), Gonzaw less so - + Show Spoiler +
On July 17 2012 23:11 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 23:06 Palmar wrote:
layabout
Sloosh
Sandroba
Probulous
HiroPro
Foolishness
VisceraEyes
Bill Murray
Gonzaw
Meapak_Ziphh
Supersoft
austinmcc
Wherebugsgo
Katina
syllogism
GGQ
Blazinghand
Chezinu
Kurumi
rastaban
Mattchew
marvellosity
risk.nuke
Q-bert-Z
RebirthofLegend
Palmar
Zealos

Thank me later.

fixed that for ya
On July 17 2012 23:31 Kurumi wrote:
I think Meapak is scum.
- His other reads not as relevant. Scum on GGQ, was town on layabout, seems minorly scummy on Katina at the end.

WBG, before dying, had his one post of reads and a small one agreeing with Palmar - + Show Spoiler +
On July 19 2012 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
That seems like a message Foolishness would send me. He's probably scum. The other possibility is Chezinu or someone who wants me to think Foolishness sent me that message.

As for scum given how blatant their behavior seems I think the simplest route is to kill the confirmed ones first and then the scumreads that multiple people agree upon.

Right now ignoring Zealos and Kurumi that looks like:

Foolishness
GGQ
Meapak
Layabout

And potentially:
Katina

These are among my strongest reads as I've gone back and reexamined things. I was likely wrong about both BH and Austin (or they've been given ample warning into changing their play -_-).

I personally would also consider killing BM and Qbert because they're useless, but all of the named above are likelier to flip scum IMO (katina included; I lean scum but not confident)



On July 19 2012 09:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
I agree with syllo and sandro about Palmar. His play this game reminds me of Liar Game.


Also seemed to have been leaning town on Gonzaw? - + Show Spoiler +
On July 18 2012 10:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm not confident gonzaw is scum, but I don't have time to argue this. I have a HW deadline in 5 hours and I'm about to head out to finish it.

Since it's extended majority, voting for BH is probably not a great idea, even though I want to keep him on the table -_-

Takes 14 to lynch, yeah?

##unvote
##vote gonzaw




On July 18 2012 12:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
##unvote

##vote Blazinghand


I don't like the gonzaw lynch. Last minute switch to BH anyone?



Both had MZ scummy. Kurumi scum on Gonzaw, WBG town on Gonzaw but willing to vote him at one point due to lack of time, although unvoted for BH later. Figured it's worth raising their reads again, even though we all killed Kurumi, not just mafia, and Bugs looked so friggin' towny that I'd imagine a few mafia sent his name to Foolishness N1 to be sure they didn't accidentally kill off a scumbuddy.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 25 2012 19:25 GMT
#3432
EBWOP: Spouting off about Sandroba, I didn't listen to Kurumi
Fe fi fo fum.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 25 2012 19:31 GMT
#3433
Chezinu, Lord of Communication. I'd like to welcome you, formally, to the game. I trust you've been folliwing along and have quite a lot to say about what has been happening! I have "clearly" given reasons for wanting to lynch you in spite of working closely with you in the apprehension of Blazinghand. I would very much like ypur thoughts on the matter.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 19:31 GMT
#3434
Oh I've to make a correction, gonzaw posted that layabout remark before probulous lynched him, doesn't change much though. Might be even worse actually as there is no reason to randomly state that you forgot talking about a person who you had never suspected and had even at one point defended.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7456 Posts
July 25 2012 19:44 GMT
#3435
On July 26 2012 04:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chezinu, Lord of Communication. I'd like to welcome you, formally, to the game. I trust you've been folliwing along and have quite a lot to say about what has been happening! I have "clearly" given reasons for wanting to lynch you in spite of working closely with you in the apprehension of Blazinghand. I would very much like ypur thoughts on the matter.

Oh yeah, almost forgot about that post. Will do it later when I'm not busy. I only have time right now to right troll comments and questions as I pop in and out of thread.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7456 Posts
July 25 2012 20:02 GMT
#3436
On July 25 2012 15:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
This is the PM Chezinu sent me last night...or I'm assuming it was last night because it came with the night-post.

Show nested quote +
Your doing Great! VE. Just keep the suspension on me. Prob doesn't seem to be helping much though.

By saying after sand flips that you would know my role, I mean I had his role!
I was fake lynching sand (it was no where close - I even joked around about it in the thread, I even thought you did too) in hopes mafia wouldn't kill him. But they did..
If you noticed BEFORE Sand died, he was on my pro-town list along with you and Prob.

By saying I would be Prob's leader I was implying I was a Bossy employee. Please don't tell him the truth. Let him believe what he much for town to be united. I will break it to him later, since I'm wasting this pm on you. I'll probably message him tomorrow. BUT THE MAFIA CAN'T KNOW THIS! Let them believe that I can see roles such as Prob's, the lawyers, and the craze employee.

I said the mirror thing BEFORE Kurumi was dead and said if he was town then it means nothing!

Oh and about the two missing messages. I was really busy one day and missed the deadline by minutes. The next one went to a seemingly pro-town player. I may reveal it later. Please just trust me. I'm making a huge risk by sending this pm to you because you could still be mafia who just gave away a free present for town. But you gotta take some risks sometimes, like I did with Prob -- and it sure was proven to worth wild. I rock the PM world, where I speak the truth to few. This time its YOU! YAy! oh and the host.. cause sometimes I go a little crazy without having someone to talk to. I don't have time to find all the quotes in the thread, but I make it quite obvious. I claimed that I'm a Boss many time before Sand flipped. Now that you know what to look for it should be easy. So yeah, I'm a Bossy Employee.

Don't post this in the thread until maybe the next day or possibly a little later. Actually can you just ask me in the thread for permission? Cause revealing this pm would ruin my plans. Oh, and your the one who suggested sand. But we both realized he was innocent before it was too late anyways. But mafia killed him .

Hopefully your attacks on me keeps me alive -- I was thinking that I was most likely to get hit by mafia at this time than town anyways. But I don't want to push my luck too much.


So Chezinu is now NOT claiming that his role is called "Director of Communication" and it is instead called "Bossy Employee", the role that Sandroba flipped.

Let it all sink in. Chezinu is talking about "his plans" and whatever, but he's been TROLLING ALL GAME LONG. I don't care at all about "his plans" because he hasn't seen fit to do town any favors by making a lick of sense all game. So whatever man, don't vote for him. I think enough people will because his playstyle is, in general, disliked. Hope you like popcorn.


wait a minute.. I just realized this post was censored a tiny bit... Not too much, but that's ok.

oh and I like popcorn, btw
lol, clueless in The Prism!
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 25 2012 20:21 GMT
#3437
On July 25 2012 18:25 syllogism wrote:
Gonzaw has defended both laya and BH and didn't vote BH despite him being the other day 1 wagon. Pretty sure Gonzaw is the chairman or at least mafia.

##vote Gonzaw



What the...?
Are you kidding me? You think I'm scum just because of the people I defended?

I don't remember defending layabout, and sorry if my read on BH was wrong, but I honestly didn't think he was scum (read that post where I mention him if you want to know why)

On July 25 2012 18:46 syllogism wrote:
I'm much more confident about Gonzaw than meapak. There is no way meapak is going to be able to cast doubt on anything if he mafia. Gonzaw is pretty much guaranteed mafia and playing exactly like I would expect the chairman to play. He defended 2 chairman minions and attacked palmar on day 1, yet on day 3 he suddenly thought palmar was town. I wonder what changed his mind? Lets compare

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote:
About Palmars RL thingy:
Wait, Palmar tried to follow RL in iGrok's game yes (austin mentioned this I think)....but he was scum that game

I'm so fucking surprised at Mattchew and Foolishness that they assumed Palmar was town in that game and posted his RL thing with good intentions in mind...when he didn't.....because he was scum.
I'm more surprised at Mattchew for using it as evidence to shit on Katina. I would have thought a townie would check something twice if they'll use it as evidence someone else is scum.
I'll recheck Mattchew tomorrow, but I see him not caring about shit and posting sporadically, plus his first attack on Katina screamed of "picking an easy target".

About Palmar himself, he did that RL thing in iGrok's game and he was scum.
I don't see him doing shit this game, it's likely he's scum as well. However I don't know if he'd risk using his RL site thing 2 times in a row as scum both times, it seems obvious to me that someone would notice the similarity (I'm baffled how nobody noticed it to be honest, specially people that played in that game too, like VE and MZ).
I wouldn't mind lynching him, he's not doing shit and that seems to be his scum meta these days.


Show nested quote +
About Palmar:
I don't agree with this lynch at all. This lynch is based on him "being Executive because of balance issues" and because "Foo defended him without reason".


I also Palmar is most likely town.

Here is his filter this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=87086
Here is his filter from iGrok's game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558&user=87086

In iGrok's game he did stay to his "town aggressive Palmar" game on D1, but however as you can see from D2 onwards he stopped giving a shit about the game and just trolled from then on.
I don't see that this game. In D2 he even started to be active and give his reads and reasoning behind them, even more so than in D1, and that's not how scum Palmar plays, he's putting much more effort this game than when he's scum.



Wow really gonzaw, Palmar started putting in effort after day 2?

Just lynch gonzaw, he is guaranteed to flip mafia


I already fucking explained why I thought Palmar was town at that time:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&currentpage=140#2782

Palmar made like 5-6 posts in a row with reads, reasoning, etc. I've never seen him do that as scum, specially not after D1.

On July 26 2012 01:07 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote:
About laya:
I don't think laya was casting doubt on the claim but rather trying to get an answer from sandro (on why he wasted his ability).
I don't get why some people think killing him should be a priority over people like syllo/FOolishness or even Palmar and stuff.

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 10:01 gonzaw wrote:
layabout, do you think Palmar is town or do you just not want him lynched today?


Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 10:08 gonzaw wrote:
lol layabout stealing the words from my mouth before I post

If he didn't shoot Foo and is scum I don't see why he would even fake-claim in the first place.
I've never seen a game where a scum fake-claimed a vig shot from someone else, specially if it's the beginning of the game.


After laya flips mafia

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 12:01 gonzaw wrote:
lol forgot layabout was in this game

I'll check him tomorrow though, I'm going to sleep now.

I'm sure you did


ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&currentpage=163#3252
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&currentpage=164#3279

I POSTED IT BEFORE PROB EVEN DECIDED TO LYNCH HIM NOT AFTER.
I seriously didn't remember layabout at that time, but was going to sleep so didn't have time to check his filter.

For fucks sake syllo you think you can boss everybody just because you had good reads on flipped scum, but that doesn't make you "king that must be sheeped" player of this game at all, specially if you have such a shitty read on me based on shitty stuff like "he defended 2 minions" that you know doesn't say anything about me, but apparently you think it does since you think everybody is the "analysis machine" that you are and as soon as someone has a bad read they are confirmed scum.

On July 26 2012 01:35 syllogism wrote:
Meanwhile in this game, with 1h 40 minutes until deadline and his vote on a person who didn't seem likely would get lynched

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 11:18 gonzaw wrote:
They could have easily been lynched if people had listened to reason and not say "we are not lynching vets today".

Anyways, I'm not in the mood right now and have to do other stuff, can't even find the willpower to read a single filter.
I don't know when the deadline is, but perhaps me getting lynched would be better, specially if a NL is the other alternative and I'll get the same shit on N1/D2.

Fuck it, sorry Ver/Incognito :/
At least I learned my lesson here.


I was exhausted at that time and very frustrated. I was going to get lynched both in this game and in Can't Believe and trying to cope with it tired the fuck out of me. I was also near getting lynched in my UG game (or at least had a lot of pressure on me). Getting lynched on 3 games at the same time is not as fun as you would believe.

Even fucking read Can't Believe, I was going to get lynched there but I didn't have the energy to do anything so I left there as well and went to sleep a little later.

*sigh*

I can't believe this is the only case against me, like, people seem to ignore everything else I wrote or something?
It's the same fucking thing as in Can't Believe, I bust my ass and then people think I'm scum just for "little details" and then don't even respond to me about my other posts.


I don't agree with this "either gonzaw or MZ" dichotomy at all either.
I wouldn't mind MZ dying but he's not my top suspect.

Does someone think Zealos/Katina/austin is town? Do some of you really think MZ is more likely scum than one of them? If so then please explain

Anyways seems people will stupidly sheep syllo again today so might as well try to post anything I can.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 25 2012 20:24 GMT
#3438
On July 26 2012 04:31 syllogism wrote:
Oh I've to make a correction, gonzaw posted that layabout remark before probulous lynched him, doesn't change much though. Might be even worse actually as there is no reason to randomly state that you forgot talking about a person who you had never suspected and had even at one point defended.


Yes there is, I was reading filters from people and commenting on them, and I thought I read them all (the people I haven't read by that point).

After that post I remembered that layabout was in this game as well but I haven't read him so I posted that...you know...to be transparent about what I'm doing and so people don't go later and say "oh lol there are people you didn't mention lol you are scum" or some shit.
Actually I think I forgot about QBertz and BM as well.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 25 2012 20:28 GMT
#3439
Oh one more thing:

syllo:
Meanwhile in this game, with 1h 40 minutes until deadline and his vote on a person who didn't seem likely would get lynched


You mean the guy that had like 5-6 votes at the time? The guy that I thought was more likely scum and had the most votes other than me (I actually may be wrong about this and BH may have had more votes, but both of them had plenty of votes anyways)?
The BH wagon started after I left, I didn't have psychic powers to know that he'd be a lynch candidate other than me at that point.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 20:29 GMT
#3440
Well that's nice, can we get a claim?
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