Bureaucracy Mafia! - Page 171

On July 17 2012 03:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Actually I'm playing smart and waiting until I have a solid case before I go after someone. In contrast, you have your idiotic crusade against katina and that's it. Discussion should be currently centered around Palmar for his inability/refusal to play. BH should be a secondary consideration for his random wild play. And of course I still haven't forgot chez and the smurf, I'm interested to see if they start playing as well.

This may come as a shock but it's not always a good idea to shit up the thread with random cases. My lack of a formal "case" is way better than your little spat with Katina.

On July 20 2012 03:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone should be taking this time to post their various cases that they have. Since we already have our lynch for today, let's not waste it by voting and chilling. Let's still try and garner some use out of the day.

On July 16 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Either he continues to play scummy and we kill him, or he shapes up and plays nice. Obviously he could still be scum even if he shapes up but it'll be much harder for him to cause chaos if he's playing nice and we catch him later on.

On July 25 2012 15:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Everyone hold your shit for a second. VE don't go all conspiracy theorist yet, that's austin's job iirc.

I propose we lynch zealos today. It's long overdue and it'll whittle down scum numbers even more.

On July 26 2012 00:53 austinmcc wrote:
Gonzaw

- His early stuff does look like he's not around to play.
- While he's defended BH and Palmar, they were on opposite sides of the mafia heirarchy, and he was finding them both town relatively early, so it's not like he's been caught defending 2 or 3 minions that all fell on one side of the tree.
- He went after Foolishness with some decent content.
- His vote yesterday still strikes me as off. Complaining that people won't answer your one question when there's already a majority and you've not been a driving force this game (could see high-activity Gonzaw feeling like people should answer his questions) doesn't sit well with me.

Yesterday's post right before his vote, where he complains that nobody will answer his question and he doesn't feel good about the lynch, is the scummiest part of his filter for me. Worse than the late vote and sheeping. But it's not as bad as MZ.

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MZ

I'm not even looking at the Palmar crap on MZ. MZ looks bad all by himself.

D1 - When I first read this, I liked it. We had so many cases and suspicions flying around early that our D1 was massive and it's tough to pick out the good from the bad. 2/3 the thread probably got accused of being scum on D1.

MZ gives what I think is a variation on that train of thought in his response to VE - + Show Spoiler + - No reason to push extra cases, no reason to interfere with good lynches and drive things off track.

Yet, here's MZ on D2 during the Kurumi lynchHere, MZ encourages EVERYONE to throw out "their various cases." It's not 100% contradictory to his past stances, but it doesn't mesh with them. If MZ thinks that adding cases on people other than the main lynch target(s) is a bad idea for him, then why is it a good idea for everyone to throw out every case? Maybe because it worked so well D1. Not only did we no-lynch, but there are also so many cases and suspicions D1 that it's difficult to wade through. If D2 looks the same, with everyone calling out everyone, then that's another day that will be very difficult to sort back through later on.


That's the main reason I'm finding him scummy - doesn't want to spam/derail thread with cases, asks everyone to do that D2.

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Little other points, some of which others have pointed out (I think?):

- Minor: MZ active N1 pushing consolidation onto Gonzaw, then pushing consolidation onto BH. Foolishness may have been CEO, but he wasn't bullshitting when saying that a couple mass switches late is a recipe for a no-lynch. MZ helped push switches, mafia wants no-lynch. This point only minor because BH flipped mafia and we aren't sure of Gonzaw's alignment.
- MZ tells us he pushes his scumreads hard. He's been bringing up Rastaban over and over, but never really pushing him. Fine. But other reads have just entirely fallen off the table. D1 he found Chez scummy for trolling, mentioned Chez had trolled in past scum games, FoSed him, didn't seem fond. See:
Chez has continued trolling. MZ's response? Nothing. No mention of Chez. No wanting to lynch Chez. In fact, Again: If Chezinu continues trolling, we kill him. Chezinu continues trolling. No desire to kill, no scumread, doesn't want VE's chez-is-mafia conspiracy.

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Also, for the record, VE, I'm worried about Chezinu as well. I'm hoping that he's serious about making sense, but even if he explains and stops trolling, I don't think I'm going to fully trust him.

On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote:
About laya:
I don't think laya was casting doubt on the claim but rather trying to get an answer from sandro (on why he wasted his ability).
I don't get why some people think killing him should be a priority over people like syllo/FOolishness or even Palmar and stuff.

On July 23 2012 10:01 gonzaw wrote:
layabout, do you think Palmar is town or do you just not want him lynched today?

On July 23 2012 10:08 gonzaw wrote:
lol layabout stealing the words from my mouth before I post

If he didn't shoot Foo and is scum I don't see why he would even fake-claim in the first place.
I've never seen a game where a scum fake-claimed a vig shot from someone else, specially if it's the beginning of the game.

On July 25 2012 12:01 gonzaw wrote:
lol forgot layabout was in this game

I'll check him tomorrow though, I'm going to sleep now.

On July 26 2012 00:56 rastaban wrote:
Chezinu is more town than anyone else this game. How can people want to kill him when his reads have been so accurate this game?

On July 26 2012 01:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote: Chezinu or whoever
##Vote: gonzaw

Syllo I'd be happy to help you "brute force" this.

I agree with your points against Gonzaw.

Probulous, I think in spite of our differences, gonzaw is someone who can bring us together, as he did late in D1. Shall we work together in bringing him down, finally?

On July 26 2012 01:18 austinmcc wrote:

I didn't remember him pushing many reads, so I went back and looked. You are right, he's got a lot of correct reads. As far as I can tell:

D1 he wants to kill Gonzaw (unknown) and BH

D2 his posts on Kurumi seem to indicate he's leaning town, but it's not clear. He votes for Sandroba D2, but puts him down as townie in lists at night (perhaps scum because of mirror theory, town at night because mirror theory no good with Kurumi town).

N2 he's got a nice list: + Show Spoiler + We know that so far, that list is 4 correct, 1 incorrect, 4 unknown

D3 - Votes sloosh, who he seems to find scummy throughout day, unknown. Votes palmar later, correct.

You're right, his reads have been good. Very good, and better than I was thinking. But I'm worried about some of the things he has said, and I want to know whether they are the result of a particular power(s) or not.

On July 17 2012 04:03 gonzaw wrote:
Okay woke up

Holy shit I've read the voting thread and its chaotic as fuck.

I'll deal with the ICBINT Mafia game and then come back to this one.
Fuck I thought this would start after one of the 2 games I'm playing would end >_>

On July 17 2012 06:22 gonzaw wrote:
Man I thought I had time for this but now I have to go to uni all of a sudden (to check some test results).

On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote:
I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter.
Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/
After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly

On July 18 2012 10:59 gonzaw wrote:
I can't believe I'm getting lynched just because I don't have time.
Once the other UG game I'm playing in and/or Can't Believe ends (or I die in them) I'll be able to devote more time to this game, but not right now.

On July 18 2012 11:18 gonzaw wrote:
They could have easily been lynched if people had listened to reason and not say "we are not lynching vets today".

Anyways, I'm not in the mood right now and have to do other stuff, can't even find the willpower to read a single filter.
I don't know when the deadline is, but perhaps me getting lynched would be better, specially if a NL is the other alternative and I'll get the same shit on N1/D2.

Fuck it, sorry Ver/Incognito :/
At least I learned my lesson here.

On July 19 2012 05:43 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, I'll go back to Can't Believe, do stuff there, then in my other game and come back. I'll have to go somewhere in 2 hours or so so expect from me later, like before the deadline or something.

Yes, these are excuses but I can't do anything else. The alternative I have is just make incomplete posts and disappear for a long time without explaining myself, which doesn't make my actions transparent at all.
If the truth makes me scummy then whatever, I won't lie to you just to appear more "townie". If I'm switching my attention between games I'll state so.

On July 21 2012 11:48 gonzaw wrote:
Can't Believe ended, so I'll have more time for this game (finally). My other UG game hasn't ended yet, but it will soon, so stay tuned.

On July 21 2012 12:14 gonzaw wrote:
Oh, just remembered.
Tomorrow I'm going away for the weekend. I'll be gone for like 1 day.
Thank god it's night, if not I could get modkilled or something

On July 24 2012 08:04 gonzaw wrote:
I'm going to the gym now and I think I'll be back right before the deadline.

On July 25 2012 07:29 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, I'm back and I'll reread some filters, although I'm extremely lazy at this moment :/

On July 14 2012 01:33 gonzaw wrote:
Ehmm...is it me or does the day END IN FREAKING 5 HOURS!!!!??


Seriously people, these votes are a mess, there are 6 people with votes on them and the guy with most votes has 3 (marv will you keep your vote on solstice?).

So please people consolidate the votes unless you want:
1)A NL
2)A rushed last-minute wagon on someone (to prevent NL) that will most likely end up being town.


I already said I think Keirath is scum and should be today's lynch. But I wouldn't mind a Dropbear lynch either (because of reasons stated earlier).

In mind with S&B's recent posting I wouldn't mind his lynch either, I don't like how he sporadically comes into the thread to shit things up and doesn't seem to care about being part of any discussion.

At least I want some freaking discussion about the lynch.

On July 18 2012 11:18 gonzaw wrote:
They could have easily been lynched if people had listened to reason and not say "we are not lynching vets today".

Anyways, I'm not in the mood right now and have to do other stuff, can't even find the willpower to read a single filter.
I don't know when the deadline is, but perhaps me getting lynched would be better, specially if a NL is the other alternative and I'll get the same shit on N1/D2.

Fuck it, sorry Ver/Incognito :/
At least I learned my lesson here.

On July 26 2012 01:32 marvellosity wrote:
this has all gotten so crap

for once i'm with supersoft

##Vote: Meapak_Ziph