EPTIn Memorial
Friends, colleagues, superiors.
We've just come out of a stupendous cycle. There's red blood everywhere. The walls are coated in the red blood of our enemies, but it has come at a cost. Several of our fellow employees have been unjustly, and unfairly let go. I'd like to take a moment to recognize a few.
wherebugsgo, the Judge. As with all symbols of justice and order, wherebugsgo remained stoically suspicious of everyone right until his end. However, before he left us he had a few desires that went unsatisfied. I attempted to rectify one with my lynch of Blazinghand, the Hired Hitman. He eventually submitted to BH's wiles, but my Night-Kill analysis led me to believe that he was right about BH. Someone also took care of one of his suspicions in Foolishness, but wherebugsgo had many desires. Let's take a look at one of his final content posts.
On July 19 2012 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
That seems like a message Foolishness would send me. He's probably scum. The other possibility is Chezinu or someone who wants me to think Foolishness sent me that message.
As for scum given how blatant their behavior seems I think the simplest route is to kill the confirmed ones first and then the scumreads that multiple people agree upon.
Right now ignoring Zealos and Kurumi that looks like:
Foolishness
GGQ
Meapak
Layabout
And potentially:
Katina
These are among my strongest reads as I've gone back and reexamined things. I was likely wrong about both BH and Austin (or they've been given ample warning into changing their play -_-).
I personally would also consider killing BM and Qbert because they're useless, but all of the named above are likelier to flip scum IMO (katina included; I lean scum but not confident)
That seems like a message Foolishness would send me. He's probably scum. The other possibility is Chezinu or someone who wants me to think Foolishness sent me that message.
As for scum given how blatant their behavior seems I think the simplest route is to kill the confirmed ones first and then the scumreads that multiple people agree upon.
Right now ignoring Zealos and Kurumi that looks like:
Foolishness
GGQ
Meapak
Layabout
And potentially:
Katina
These are among my strongest reads as I've gone back and reexamined things. I was likely wrong about both BH and Austin (or they've been given ample warning into changing their play -_-).
I personally would also consider killing BM and Qbert because they're useless, but all of the named above are likelier to flip scum IMO (katina included; I lean scum but not confident)
Of his list, I agree the most with his read of Meapak_Ziphh. I think that he should be the lynch tomorrow. Palmar backed off MZ hard, and I think there's a reason for it. I'd probably lynch layabout too, but I'm less sure on him. I'm null on Katina. I had her as a town-read before, but her insistence on slosh scum really irks me. It feels like she just closed her eyes and pointed…"Ehhhhh…YOU! You're the liar!"
Sandroba, the Bossy Employee. Yeah, he was a pain to deal with…always taking such pride in ordering others around. But he was very obviously town right? (-.-) Remember that guy? His very first (important) act of the game was to trap Kurumi, AMERICA! Good times. He was also, however, one of the loudest voices speaking in opposition of Foolishness. Sandro left behind a couple of things unfinished, namely the lynching of Zealos and fulfilling of his win-condition of removing all illogical forces from the game. A noble cause, to be sure.
I'm fine with killing Zealos tomorrow. He's not doing much in the way of helping town, and Sandro's catch on him changing the content of his reposted message is VERY damning guys.
On July 21 2012 03:36 sandroba wrote:
My PM to zealos actually started like this: No rest for the wicked. Don't trust any message that doesn't start with this phrase.
Which he omitted when he claimed the message. I thought it was a pretty obvious mafia message.
My PM to zealos actually started like this: No rest for the wicked. Don't trust any message that doesn't start with this phrase.
Which he omitted when he claimed the message. I thought it was a pretty obvious mafia message.
So damning in fact that he didn't even know how to respond to it. Read his posts surrounding the whole thing, and then take note of when he shows back up in the thread.
Here is his final "target list". I'm pretty sure he wasn't calling people on the list scum, only calling them irrational and bad…considering what I can only imagine to be the rage at the Kurumi flip.
On July 21 2012 09:26 sandroba wrote:
THE GUILTY:
1) VisceraEyes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=117978
2) Blazinghand http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=133498
3) austinmcc http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=119148
4) GGQ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=38664
5) Q-bert-Z http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=223024
6) Bill Murray http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=54241
Here are the true scum of this game and the evidence against them. Join me in my crusade!
THE GUILTY:
1) VisceraEyes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=117978
2) Blazinghand http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=133498
3) austinmcc http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=119148
4) GGQ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=38664
5) Q-bert-Z http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=223024
6) Bill Murray http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=54241
Here are the true scum of this game and the evidence against them. Join me in my crusade!
This was one of the lasts posts before he died. It's entirely possible there is more scum on this list than BH…heavily scrutinize all of these players, myself included.
And finally, we arrive at Kurumi, the America!.
I'm not going to waste breath talking about why doing what Kurumi did is a bad idea. What I AM going to talk about is his second lease on life - when he actually cooled off about Sandroba and started trying.
Most of his focus surrounded Sandroba and the message claims (obviously, considering), and unfortunately nothing really jumped out at me. He mentioned Katina's vote-lists here
On July 21 2012 08:34 Kurumi wrote:
Katina, mind listing your mafia and town reads?
Im going through your filter and there's a lot of mafia lists but you never seem to call anyone town...
You are trying to control the chaos in the thread, but you simply don't have the presence or authority to do so. Why not pursue it harder? Why not pursue it more gently? Do you really care?
Palmar's RL plan seems genuine and good. That's why I was up for it. His play looks a lot like bored town. He bring info on Q.
He gives a lot of reads, some cases. I just got it how much it sucks that I am alive. It's Day 2 and scum are going to have enough intel to kill good people without them doing any justice. Damn it. You MUST preserve Town's reads.
First Katina's post ticks me off in this moment:
Like it's not the case like.. ALWAYS? Her reason to go against RL is pretty much none. Something's wrong here.
Also compare this list:
To this one: (I'll help)
Even given the first list is based off votes on austin, I wonder why they're not in the second one...
Katina, mind listing your mafia and town reads?
Im going through your filter and there's a lot of mafia lists but you never seem to call anyone town...
You are trying to control the chaos in the thread, but you simply don't have the presence or authority to do so. Why not pursue it harder? Why not pursue it more gently? Do you really care?
Palmar's RL plan seems genuine and good. That's why I was up for it. His play looks a lot like bored town. He bring info on Q.
He gives a lot of reads, some cases. I just got it how much it sucks that I am alive. It's Day 2 and scum are going to have enough intel to kill good people without them doing any justice. Damn it. You MUST preserve Town's reads.
First Katina's post ticks me off in this moment:
Like it's not the case like.. ALWAYS? Her reason to go against RL is pretty much none. Something's wrong here.
Also compare this list:
To this one: (I'll help)
Even given the first list is based off votes on austin, I wonder why they're not in the second one...
The two lists have only two names in common: syllogism and Bill Murray. Now, I would find this odd, except that reads DO change, and there ARE names in common between the lists. Names of players she has pushed for lynch. But I did find it odd how at ease she was in saying she wanted to lynch non-austin voters, only to back off them almost immediately into the following day. A minor point, and not lynch-worthy in my opinion. But I did think it was worth mentioning.
This concludes my readthrough of the dead.
Now for something completely different.
Attention Liquicorp: A Message From Your King
I've spent a lot of time talking about "mirror roles" and speculating about the topography of the setup in regard to the Power Roles. There's a reason.
I was crowned King last night by Probulous and as it turns out, he has claimed my role over the course of the day.
I am a Promotion Manager and I have the power to crown a king for the day.
And because I'm a fair and just king, I have returned the favor and crowned Probulous King for tomorrow.
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"But VE! Surely by your own logic you must think he's scum then right?"
Well, I don't know. That's my issue. Probulous is a phenomenal player and I've only caught him as scum one time…and that one time was mostly luck (he'll tell you ALL about it.) Everything. EVERY SINGLE ACTION HE'S TAKEN has appeared town motivated…save one. I've been crumbing my role since N1. Why is it that he noticed Chezinu "hinting" that he'd figured out Prob's role, but he didn't notice me blatantly bread crumbing the same role. I can only think of two reasons:
1) Because he thinks I'm his Executive
2) Because he knew my role and didn't want to out it.
Consider: as town, before passing the reigns over to me he would have likely gone over my posts in detail right? I mean, it's possible he gave me the power on a gut-town read based on how I was pushing Foolishness that night - but I'm more inclined to believe that Probulous very carefully weighed his options in choosing me. Likely targets, how I'd use it, etc. Regardless of his alignment.
So why then did he not notice breadcrumbs like these?
On July 21 2012 07:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Uh oh...Chez you naughty boy did you not read the OP or subsequent player questions?
For shame. And to think, you were on the list of potentials for promotion. *tsktsk*
Uh oh...Chez you naughty boy did you not read the OP or subsequent player questions?
For shame. And to think, you were on the list of potentials for promotion. *tsktsk*
On July 21 2012 08:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dude read please - I'm considering sandScum now. My reads are in shambles. And you rofl at me?
You're not getting that promotion either, sir.
Dude read please - I'm considering sandScum now. My reads are in shambles. And you rofl at me?
You're not getting that promotion either, sir.
I can't reason it out, and it seems to me that a town Probulous would be made uneasy by something like someone crumbing HIS role. I know it took ME by surprise being crowned King when I hadn't used the power myself yet.
So here's something he can be judged by. Probulous has the power to lynch someone tomorrow. Scrutinize his use of it. I wanted to give it to syllogism, but I'm too paranoid that he's an Executive (sorry bro
…I'm still paranoid VE at the core.) Probulous at least has proven that he's reading the thread and that he's not an Executive. Therefor, Probulous controls an extra lynch tomorrow.Prob, I hope I'm insane and you're town. You've done a spectacular job if you're scum though. Kudos regardless of you're alignment. Your silverware awaits.
House Chezinu
There is seriously something going on with Chezinu guys. Seriously, you HAVE to go look at him tomorrow. He's claiming credit for every good thing that happens and decrying every bad thing that happens. He's claimed scum, town-aligned PR, self-imposed Third Party, and now, after he's "getting his way" and "doing all this good for town" and "making things happen" with his play, now he has "confessions" and is "changing his play" to be more "sane".
I don't know - it seems to me that if things I wanted to happen were happening, then I'd have absolutely no reason to change anything up. Which is why, after being berated and ridiculed in this thread I've continued to play in a manner that I feel is helpful for town.
However, the converse is true with Chezinu. First of all, he's been berated and ridiculed in this thread all game. It hasn't bothered him at all until now. WHY NOW?!
Because he knows that he's going to come under scrutiny soon, regardless of his play-style. Players like syllo and Probulous aren't even looking at Chez now. But I guess they're gonna have too eventually, if Chez keeps on living and other players keep on dying. Chezinu MUST be scrutinized, sooner rather than later.
tl:dr
Zealos, Meapak_Ziphh, Chezinu, Probulous
Probulous is King as of Dawn if he lives.
Don't lynch syllogism tomorrow, but don't let him mislynch over and over either. Watch him carefully, as there are still TWO Executives running around. I can't even imagine who the other if MZ is one if it's not syllo since it's not me.
I'm null on Katina. That is to say, I do not have a town-read on Katina anymore. She has just as much chance flipping scum as, say, gonzaw or Mattchew to me. Lynchable.
Speaking of Mattchew, I wouldn't mind a Mattchew lynch tomorrow either, but that's completely gut. Completely. I haven't read his posts and I have a feeling that if I did I wouldn't have any better of a read (because he spent a fair amount of time calling me scum which, as many of you know, I cannot abide.)
marvellosity is giving me mixed signals. I generally have no question of his alignment, (wrong or right) and this game I do. I can't figure out his alignment. So I think he needs looked at carefully. His reads post near the end of tonight was pretty good, but it seems like a summation of town-sentiment rather than his honest reads. Clear your eyes and SCRUTINIZE!!
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