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On July 21 2012 06:28 HiroPro wrote:So Matt what made you go from considering/including Chezinu on your scum lists to considering Chezinu town and using the logic of "can't have 2 people with the ability to PM anyone" to make your read on sandroba? + Show Spoiler +On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote:
If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost
Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum
Katina - read my filter
Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting
Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself
Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL
Bill Murray
Chezinu
On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.
So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH. Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah For those keeping score at home Scum = Foolishness Kurumi VE Rastaban Katina MZ maybe chez? On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.
If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions. Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town?
I thought he was claiming scum in the thread, which I think he was to try and bait a town shot as he said he was trying to get killed by town or scum to reveal some sort of truth.
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On July 21 2012 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Everyone please think of the kill structure for a moment.
The CEO must kill someone off the list of names submitted by his underlings
This means he cannot just choose someone at random, he has a list he has to pick from.
And he chose WBG from that list rather than Sandroba, the wily scum-hunting messenger? HONESTLY GUYS?! REALLY?!
Sigh, who was the most likely person to be protected n1? If mafia operated like that in every game, they would never kill anyone (assuming 1 kp).
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Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:
We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.
We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.
Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left.
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On July 21 2012 06:28 HiroPro wrote:So Matt what made you go from considering/including Chezinu on your scum lists to considering Chezinu town and using the logic of "can't have 2 people with the ability to PM anyone" to make your read on sandroba? + Show Spoiler +On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote:
If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost
Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum
Katina - read my filter
Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting
Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself
Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL
Bill Murray
Chezinu
On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.
So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH. Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah For those keeping score at home Scum = Foolishness Kurumi VE Rastaban Katina MZ maybe chez? On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.
If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions. Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town?
Did you read Chez and VE's back and forth from like 14 hours ago?
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On July 21 2012 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Everyone please think of the kill structure for a moment.
The CEO must kill someone off the list of names submitted by his underlings
This means he cannot just choose someone at random, he has a list he has to pick from.
And he chose WBG from that list rather than Sandroba, the wily scum-hunting messenger? HONESTLY GUYS?! REALLY?!
That is what made me go through Bug's posts, though he was the most pro town player it still seams a stretch unless they thought their was a medic. Thats why I though Layabout might be the guy he was covering for.
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On July 19 2012 09:54 sandroba wrote:
For today killing kurumi is fine. Starting tomorrow we begin a chase for the executives:
Win Conditions:
Town wins when all the Mafia are dead
Mafia wins when all the town are dead.
As long as the higher ups are still alive this game is horribly imbalanced in favor of mafia. But IF we can kill them off soon all communication will be lost and this will be a long drawn out game where mafia and town both have to eliminate each other completely to win. So that should be our goal for the following days.
On July 21 2012 03:37 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:36 Mattchew wrote:On July 21 2012 03:09 Mattchew wrote:
Sandroba, what was your reasoning behind picking Zealos? I picked someone I thought was mafia, I thought was minion and I believed there was a fair chance didn't get messaged already. Zealos seemed to be an optimal choice.
You can't lynch Execs unless you find them. Sandroba's reasoning for choosing Zealos is contradictory to his stated aims for tomorrow.
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On July 21 2012 06:32 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:28 HiroPro wrote:So Matt what made you go from considering/including Chezinu on your scum lists to considering Chezinu town and using the logic of "can't have 2 people with the ability to PM anyone" to make your read on sandroba? + Show Spoiler +On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote:
If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost
Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum
Katina - read my filter
Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting
Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself
Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL
Bill Murray
Chezinu
On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.
So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH. Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah For those keeping score at home Scum = Foolishness Kurumi VE Rastaban Katina MZ maybe chez? On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.
If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions. Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town? Did you read Chez and VE's back and forth from like 14 hours ago?
Yes I did. Did your read on VE also change from that discussion?
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On July 21 2012 06:31 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Everyone please think of the kill structure for a moment.
The CEO must kill someone off the list of names submitted by his underlings
This means he cannot just choose someone at random, he has a list he has to pick from.
And he chose WBG from that list rather than Sandroba, the wily scum-hunting messenger? HONESTLY GUYS?! REALLY?! Sigh, who was the most likely person to be protected n1? If mafia operated like that in every game, they would never kill anyone (assuming 1 kp).
Oh, in a game that could last for 2 game weeks, you're thinking there's protection against night-kills. That's cute syllo.
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On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote:
Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:
We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.
We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.
Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left.
I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me?
Null tell at best.
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Yes I think that's quite possible and killing wbg is the much safer option. The amount of effort you are spending discrediting an obvious townie is making me reconsider your alignment.
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Scum get 1 KP and syllo is thinking there's protection against that in a game where they have to clear through THE ENTIRE TOWN.
Guys, this is getting easier and easier.
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Blazinghand
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Can I take credit for syllo being scum? I definitely briefly attacked him at some point long ago.
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Reconsider away. If you push me the way you've been pushing your other reads this game, I literally couldn't be any less concerned.
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On July 21 2012 06:36 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote:
Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:
We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.
We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.
Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left. I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me? Null tell at best. Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed.
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This seems like pointless discussion at least for now.
We won't lynch sandro today, and most of this speculation is based on "whether he'll message more people or not" from now on.
Just wait until N2 to see if he can message more people and that question will be fucking answered, no need to make this game 116 pages long by now.
I take it sandro can message someone on this very D2 right? He said he can message every 1/2 cycle, and he already messaged on D1 and N1.
sandro, you should message someone this day and confirm that (whether it's by "catching more scum" like you did or by messaging a townie who confirms you messaged him)
I'm still waiting to hear what BM's power is, since he specifically said he controls "thread actions", and sandro's power doesn't seem like a "thread action" at all.
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On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:36 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote:
Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:
We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.
We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.
Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left. I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me? Null tell at best. Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed.
Tell me, if someone were to forge a pm and we'd get into crossfire of who's lying and who's not, who'd you lynch first? The Messenger or The Messenged?
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On July 21 2012 06:45 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:On July 21 2012 06:36 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote:
Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:
We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.
We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.
Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left. I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me? Null tell at best. Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed. Tell me, if someone were to forge a pm and we'd get into crossfire of who's lying and who's not, who'd you lynch first? The Messenger or The Messenged?
Who forged a PM?
The only way that has any bearing is if NOBODY claims they sent that PM in a massclaim or sorts.
If messages like the one wbg and other people received are never claimed (i.e the sender never claims he sent that message) then you can't lynch anybody until they do since you don't know shit, and that message could have easily been sent by a minion with similar powers for instance who decided not to claim.
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On July 21 2012 06:48 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:45 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:On July 21 2012 06:36 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote:
Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:
We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.
We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.
Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left. I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me? Null tell at best. Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed. Tell me, if someone were to forge a pm and we'd get into crossfire of who's lying and who's not, who'd you lynch first? The Messenger or The Messenged? Who forged a PM? The only way that has any bearing is if NOBODY claims they sent that PM in a massclaim or sorts. If messages like the one wbg and other people received are never claimed (i.e the sender never claims he sent that message) then you can't lynch anybody until they do since you don't know shit, and that message could have easily been sent by a minion with similar powers for instance who decided not to claim.
Person A does not receive a message. Person B claims to have messages him/her. Forges a PM, with whatever inside. Who would you kill first? The Sender or The Receiver?
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On July 21 2012 06:45 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:On July 21 2012 06:36 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote:
Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:
We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.
We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.
Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left. I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me? Null tell at best. Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed. Tell me, if someone were to forge a pm and we'd get into crossfire of who's lying and who's not, who'd you lynch first? The Messenger or The Messenged? There's no issue of forgery with the PM you received. I had to go back and check your filter, you've never said Sandro didn't send you that message.
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On July 21 2012 06:56 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:45 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:On July 21 2012 06:36 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote:
Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:
We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.
We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.
Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left. I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me? Null tell at best. Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed. Tell me, if someone were to forge a pm and we'd get into crossfire of who's lying and who's not, who'd you lynch first? The Messenger or The Messenged? There's no issue of forgery with the PM you received. I had to go back and check your filter, you've never said Sandro didn't send you that message.
It's not a real situation I know of, it's only theorycrafting damnit.
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