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On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.
If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec
Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.
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ok, I'm caught up.
##vote sandroba
why don't you want to be my friend? you could join department.. the house of chezinu has plenty of messengers...
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On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.
If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.
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If kurumi is innocent.. then the mirror roles could be false.. if kurumi is pardoned.. or "vetoed" then.. yeah... If mafia.. then mafia is going to die..
if kurumi is innocent:
town has 3 communicators, a nuke, a dud rocket, and a judge.
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<-- ok, I'm quite busy today.. I try and check in tonight...
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You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.)
Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message?
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On July 21 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote:
You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.)
Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message?
I believe he posted it before, your nuke meant you weren't exec, and it being used on someone who hadn't posted yet seemed suspicious so you were a good candidate. Thats what the message meant you thought was referring to ROL.
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On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.
If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.
Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town?
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On July 21 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote:
You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.)
Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message?
Sandroba would never sacrifice two minions (remember, Zealos also confirmed being messaged by him) to earn himself some town cred when the most likely result of that town cred would be getting shot by mafia ceo n1. Even if we knew nothing else, that is enough to consider him pretty much confirmed town.
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On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.
If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions. Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town?
The theme of the setup is about disrupting mafia communications, so yes I do think it makes sense there to be at least two roles like that. If the messages posted by BH and wbg are from chezinu, he is town because the messages way too blatantly reveal who they are from and mafia communications don't allow that.
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On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.
If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec
How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew?
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On July 21 2012 05:49 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote:
You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.)
Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message? Sandroba would never sacrifice two minions (remember, Zealos also confirmed being messaged by him) to earn himself some town cred when the most likely result of that town cred would be getting shot by mafia ceo n1. Even if we knew nothing else, that is enough to consider him pretty much confirmed town. You're entirely wrong...
If Sandroba had the option to "sacrifice two minions" then you're saying he's the President of Marketing or Chairman of the Board. Those are the two roles with minions to be sacrificed.
If Sandroba were either of those roles, then the CEO would know him, because CEO knows the identity of those two roles.
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On July 21 2012 05:55 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.
If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew?
not, but what does his alignment have to do with this?
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On July 21 2012 05:57 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 05:55 HiroPro wrote:On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.
If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew? not, but what does his alignment have to do with this?
If BM was unable to do this, I would think that the more likely conclusion is that he is lying, not that sandroba is an exec.
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On July 21 2012 05:56 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 05:49 syllogism wrote:On July 21 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote:
You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.)
Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message? Sandroba would never sacrifice two minions (remember, Zealos also confirmed being messaged by him) to earn himself some town cred when the most likely result of that town cred would be getting shot by mafia ceo n1. Even if we knew nothing else, that is enough to consider him pretty much confirmed town. You're entirely wrong... If Sandroba had the option to "sacrifice two minions" then you're saying he's the President of Marketing or Chairman of the Board. Those are the two roles with minions to be sacrificed. If Sandroba were either of those roles, then the CEO would know him, because CEO knows the identity of those two roles.
You are right about the CEO part, but you can ignore that part and it still makes no sense at all.
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On July 21 2012 05:57 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 05:57 Mattchew wrote:On July 21 2012 05:55 HiroPro wrote:On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.
If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew? not, but what does his alignment have to do with this? If BM was unable to do this, I would think that the more likely conclusion is that he is lying, not that sandroba is an exec.
well he can steal votes, he already proved that
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On July 21 2012 06:02 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 05:57 HiroPro wrote:On July 21 2012 05:57 Mattchew wrote:On July 21 2012 05:55 HiroPro wrote:On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.
If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew? not, but what does his alignment have to do with this? If BM was unable to do this, I would think that the more likely conclusion is that he is lying, not that sandroba is an exec. well he can steal votes, he already proved that
Sure, but he's done nothing to demonstrate that he can steal powers. Additionally, a scum BM lying that he didn't actually get the power when in reality he did in order to get sandroba lynched (1 for 1) is a good trade for mafia.
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Sandroba claims that he can pm every 1/2 cycle, so every 1/2 cycle he has to PM someone and he would quickly run out of minions to sacrifice if he was mafia. If he is town, he will obviously keep PMing. I can't believe we actually have to have this discussion.
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On July 21 2012 05:58 syllogism wrote:
You are right about the CEO part, but you can ignore that part and it still makes no sense at all.
You are relying on the fact that Sandroba would not sacrifice minions for town cred, because it would lead to him getting shot by the mafia CEO.
On July 21 2012 05:49 syllogism wrote:
Sandroba would never sacrifice two minions (remember, Zealos also confirmed being messaged by him) to earn himself some town cred when the most likely result of that town cred would be getting shot by mafia ceo n1. Even if we knew nothing else, that is enough to consider him pretty much confirmed town
That is untrue. The CEO knows the identity of both players in the position to sacrifice minions. He would not shoot them. There is ZERO risk of getting shot by the CEO for the two sub-bosses, he knows who they are.
If you "ignore" the CEO part and claim that scum Sandroba makes no sense, then what you're left with is ... "scum would never kill other scum for town cred." Which is false. Sandroba is not confirmed. We do not know his alignment. We do not know his power. We do not even know Kurumi and Zealos's alignments.
You are coming to wrong conclusions by assuming some things that we don't know yet AND misunderstanding the setup.
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And I guess that's how it ends. I will re-read Palmar guaranteed and post anything I find.
Maybe something interesting. Maybe not. Meh, my spirits aren't the best.
Even after I die I hope you can pull it Town. We'll be 9v15 after this day, but hey.. That's just a slow start, isn't it?
Flames will rise. Everything will be purified. Cleansed from scum.
Really, that should happen. Pull it off guys. Please.
I think that good times are about to come. Ground will shake. Truth will emerge!
Careful though. It again turn into that hatred spiral..
And this post ends just like that.
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