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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 20:40 GMT
#2261
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec

Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
July 20 2012 20:41 GMT
#2262
ok, I'm caught up.

##vote sandroba

why don't you want to be my friend? you could join department.. the house of chezinu has plenty of messengers...
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 20 2012 20:41 GMT
#2263
On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec

Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.

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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
July 20 2012 20:44 GMT
#2264
If kurumi is innocent.. then the mirror roles could be false.. if kurumi is pardoned.. or "vetoed" then.. yeah... If mafia.. then mafia is going to die..

if kurumi is innocent:

town has 3 communicators, a nuke, a dud rocket, and a judge.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
July 20 2012 20:45 GMT
#2265
<-- ok, I'm quite busy today.. I try and check in tonight...
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 20 2012 20:45 GMT
#2266
You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.)
Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message?
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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 20 2012 20:49 GMT
#2267
On July 21 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote:
You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.)
Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message?

I believe he posted it before, your nuke meant you weren't exec, and it being used on someone who hadn't posted yet seemed suspicious so you were a good candidate. Thats what the message meant you thought was referring to ROL.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 20:49 GMT
#2268
On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec

Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.

Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 20:49 GMT
#2269
On July 21 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote:
You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.)
Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message?

Sandroba would never sacrifice two minions (remember, Zealos also confirmed being messaged by him) to earn himself some town cred when the most likely result of that town cred would be getting shot by mafia ceo n1. Even if we knew nothing else, that is enough to consider him pretty much confirmed town.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 20:52 GMT
#2270
On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec

Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.

Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town?

The theme of the setup is about disrupting mafia communications, so yes I do think it makes sense there to be at least two roles like that. If the messages posted by BH and wbg are from chezinu, he is town because the messages way too blatantly reveal who they are from and mafia communications don't allow that.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 20:55 GMT
#2271
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec


How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew?
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 20 2012 20:56 GMT
#2272
On July 21 2012 05:49 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote:
You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.)
Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message?

Sandroba would never sacrifice two minions (remember, Zealos also confirmed being messaged by him) to earn himself some town cred when the most likely result of that town cred would be getting shot by mafia ceo n1. Even if we knew nothing else, that is enough to consider him pretty much confirmed town.
You're entirely wrong...

If Sandroba had the option to "sacrifice two minions" then you're saying he's the President of Marketing or Chairman of the Board. Those are the two roles with minions to be sacrificed.

If Sandroba were either of those roles, then the CEO would know him, because CEO knows the identity of those two roles.


Fe fi fo fum.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 20:57 GMT
#2273
On July 21 2012 05:55 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec


How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew?

not, but what does his alignment have to do with this?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 20:57 GMT
#2274
On July 21 2012 05:57 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:55 HiroPro wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec


How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew?

not, but what does his alignment have to do with this?


If BM was unable to do this, I would think that the more likely conclusion is that he is lying, not that sandroba is an exec.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 20:58 GMT
#2275
On July 21 2012 05:56 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:49 syllogism wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote:
You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.)
Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message?

Sandroba would never sacrifice two minions (remember, Zealos also confirmed being messaged by him) to earn himself some town cred when the most likely result of that town cred would be getting shot by mafia ceo n1. Even if we knew nothing else, that is enough to consider him pretty much confirmed town.
You're entirely wrong...

If Sandroba had the option to "sacrifice two minions" then you're saying he's the President of Marketing or Chairman of the Board. Those are the two roles with minions to be sacrificed.

If Sandroba were either of those roles, then the CEO would know him, because CEO knows the identity of those two roles.

You are right about the CEO part, but you can ignore that part and it still makes no sense at all.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 21:02 GMT
#2276
On July 21 2012 05:57 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:57 Mattchew wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:55 HiroPro wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec


How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew?

not, but what does his alignment have to do with this?


If BM was unable to do this, I would think that the more likely conclusion is that he is lying, not that sandroba is an exec.

well he can steal votes, he already proved that
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 21:05 GMT
#2277
On July 21 2012 06:02 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:57 HiroPro wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:57 Mattchew wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:55 HiroPro wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec


How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew?

not, but what does his alignment have to do with this?


If BM was unable to do this, I would think that the more likely conclusion is that he is lying, not that sandroba is an exec.

well he can steal votes, he already proved that


Sure, but he's done nothing to demonstrate that he can steal powers. Additionally, a scum BM lying that he didn't actually get the power when in reality he did in order to get sandroba lynched (1 for 1) is a good trade for mafia.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 21:05 GMT
#2278
Sandroba claims that he can pm every 1/2 cycle, so every 1/2 cycle he has to PM someone and he would quickly run out of minions to sacrifice if he was mafia. If he is town, he will obviously keep PMing. I can't believe we actually have to have this discussion.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 20 2012 21:06 GMT
#2279
On July 21 2012 05:58 syllogism wrote:
You are right about the CEO part, but you can ignore that part and it still makes no sense at all.


You are relying on the fact that Sandroba would not sacrifice minions for town cred, because it would lead to him getting shot by the mafia CEO.

On July 21 2012 05:49 syllogism wrote:

Sandroba would never sacrifice two minions (remember, Zealos also confirmed being messaged by him) to earn himself some town cred when the most likely result of that town cred would be getting shot by mafia ceo n1. Even if we knew nothing else, that is enough to consider him pretty much confirmed town


That is untrue. The CEO knows the identity of both players in the position to sacrifice minions. He would not shoot them. There is ZERO risk of getting shot by the CEO for the two sub-bosses, he knows who they are.

If you "ignore" the CEO part and claim that scum Sandroba makes no sense, then what you're left with is ... "scum would never kill other scum for town cred." Which is false. Sandroba is not confirmed. We do not know his alignment. We do not know his power. We do not even know Kurumi and Zealos's alignments.

You are coming to wrong conclusions by assuming some things that we don't know yet AND misunderstanding the setup.
Fe fi fo fum.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 20 2012 21:07 GMT
#2280
13 1 9 7 1 13
And I guess that's how it ends. I will re-read Palmar guaranteed and post anything I find.
Maybe something interesting. Maybe not. Meh, my spirits aren't the best.
Even after I die I hope you can pull it Town. We'll be 9v15 after this day, but hey.. That's just a slow start, isn't it?
Flames will rise. Everything will be purified. Cleansed from scum.
Really, that should happen. Pull it off guys. Please.
I think that good times are about to come. Ground will shake. Truth will emerge!
Careful though. It again turn into that hatred spiral..
And this post ends just like that.
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