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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 21 2012 06:08 Blazinghand wrote: Kurumi, I am utterly confused. Just doing the same thing I did during my first game. Post numbers. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On July 21 2012 05:58 syllogism wrote: You are right about the CEO part, but you can ignore that part and it still makes no sense at all. Nonono, you used that as the entire argument as to why he wouldn't do that as scum syllo. Why wouldn't he do that as scum if that's the case? Town-cred is fucking potent in this setup. If mafia get safe-claims (which hasn't been confirmed or denied by the hosts as far as I can see,) that makes it even MORE likely that Sandroba is scum bussing right now. Reason syllo, I know you're capable. Why wouldn't sandro-scum bus 2 of his minions to buy the town-cred necessary to coast through the rest of the game? | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
Kurumi, I believe you. Will review your posts when you flip blue. Don't take it too hard, this happened to gonzaw a few games ago in bang bang. Sometimes a slip up, even when town is too much and it there is nothing that can be done about it. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Okay I'm willing to wait on Sandro. I really wish he'd confirm that he can send messages to townies though, because his aim is bordering on too phenomenal to be earnest. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On July 21 2012 06:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Wait town-cred is like..meaningless in this setup isn't it? :/ Okay I'm willing to wait on Sandro. I really wish he'd confirm that he can send messages to townies though, because his aim is bordering on too phenomenal to be earnest. Well, even if Kurumi was a non-obvious choice, Zealos was a solid one, and he has 1/3 chance of hitting scum. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On July 21 2012 06:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Nonono, you used that as the entire argument as to why he wouldn't do that as scum syllo. Why wouldn't he do that as scum if that's the case? Town-cred is fucking potent in this setup. If mafia get safe-claims (which hasn't been confirmed or denied by the hosts as far as I can see,) that makes it even MORE likely that Sandroba is scum bussing right now. Reason syllo, I know you're capable. Why wouldn't sandro-scum bus 2 of his minions to buy the town-cred necessary to coast through the rest of the game? Because his mafia play is bad and he is a rational player who plays to win and playing like this would strictly hurt his teams chances of winning the game. He would still have to keep playing, appearing town and it would be harder and harder to explain why he is alive later on and also he would keep producing new material to analyze. Even if you believed that he might do that as an executive, read this Sandroba claims that he can pm every 1/2 cycle, so every 1/2 cycle he has to PM someone and he would quickly run out of minions to sacrifice if he was mafia. If he is town, he will obviously keep PMing. I can't believe we actually have to have this discussion. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On July 21 2012 06:12 Blazinghand wrote: Well, even if Kurumi was a non-obvious choice, Zealos was a solid one, and he has 1/3 chance of hitting scum. Why do you say non-obvious, it seems to me like it was a great choice. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 21 2012 06:11 rastaban wrote: Austin stop please, this is an argument you can not win. Just send his name in tonight and let the CEO take care of. Trying to get him lynched or power stolen is not the way to go,. Kurumi, I believe you. Will review your posts when you flip blue. Don't take it too hard, this happened to gonzaw a few games ago in bang bang. Sometimes a slip up, even when town is too much and it there is nothing that can be done about it. Do you even understand what the argument is? Read the posts. Syllo states that a sub-boss would not bus two minions for town cred, because it would make him a target for the N1 shot. The CEO determines who gets shot, and knows the identity of both sub-bosses. Syllo is entirely wrong about a bussing sub-boss being a target for the N1 shot. Read my posts, read VE's post above. I've not said anything about BM and power stealing, because that's all nonsense right now. That's a discussion between matt and others that is going on at the same time. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Zealos was decent IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR MINIONS...but Sandro has been onboard with Operation: CEObliterate since inception...it doesn't make sense that he'd try and fool ZEALOS if he's hunting for Executives. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On July 21 2012 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Kurumi was a piss-poor choice, as Probulous pointed out. Kurumi was likely to pretend to be mafia regardless of his alignment as far as I'm concerned, so that makes that particular choice terrible. Zealos was decent IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR MINIONS...but Sandro has been onboard with Operation: CEObliterate since inception...it doesn't make sense that he'd try and fool ZEALOS if he's hunting for Executives. He PMed people who were most likely to fall into a trap, i.e. minions and people who are, err, not careful | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On July 21 2012 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Kurumi was a piss-poor choice, as Probulous pointed out. Kurumi was likely to pretend to be mafia regardless of his alignment as far as I'm concerned, so that makes that particular choice terrible. Zealos was decent IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR MINIONS...but Sandro has been onboard with Operation: CEObliterate since inception...it doesn't make sense that he'd try and fool ZEALOS if he's hunting for Executives. But he has to hit minions, scum already has a code in place to verify the messages. so he has to hit people not contacted yet. I agree Kurumi as a personality was a bad choice as he would go along with it, but as a tactical choice it was the best as it wouldn't be an exec as it had used a power in a questionable way. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 21 2012 06:17 syllogism wrote: He PMed people who were most likely to fall into a trap, i.e. minions and people who are, err, not careful His choice was based on his message.. High ranked guys would never fall for this. So basically sandroba never aimed for the easiest targets but for minions. CEO wasting the message for two lines of shitty text? Viscera's Zombie revenge on BC level of play here | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 21 2012 06:16 rastaban wrote: I'm not saying it's the best plan ever. But let's see, if you want to play that game:@austinmcc, We kill them, then who does he message? well now he has to buss his last team mate since thats the only guy to message. now what? oh my power quit? no he has to message someone else. so all that bussing for nothing. (1) Sandro: "Heavens to betsy, it appears my power has been stolen/blocked today" (2) Sandro: "I lied, my power is actually x-shot" (3) Sandro has a minion who can message town. Sandro is down 2/3 minions, so he is messaging the remaining minion every half cycle. Each half cycle, Sandro sends the minion a prepackaged message and a target to send it to. The minion sends the message, townie confirms that he received a message, Sandroba claims he sent it, and also can give the content of the message to confirm himself as the sender. Ta da. Messages every half cycle, confirming Sandroba. (Done off top of head, but I think this works?) | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote: If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum Katina - read my filter Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL Bill Murray Chezinu On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote: Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah For those keeping score at home Scum = Foolishness Kurumi VE Rastaban Katina MZ maybe chez? On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote: Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town? | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
The CEO must kill someone off the list of names submitted by his underlings This means he cannot just choose someone at random, he has a list he has to pick from. And he chose WBG from that list rather than Sandroba, the wily scum-hunting messenger? HONESTLY GUYS?! REALLY?! | ||
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