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On July 21 2012 06:55 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:48 gonzaw wrote:On July 21 2012 06:45 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:On July 21 2012 06:36 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote:
Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:
We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.
We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.
Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left. I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me? Null tell at best. Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed. Tell me, if someone were to forge a pm and we'd get into crossfire of who's lying and who's not, who'd you lynch first? The Messenger or The Messenged? Who forged a PM? The only way that has any bearing is if NOBODY claims they sent that PM in a massclaim or sorts. If messages like the one wbg and other people received are never claimed (i.e the sender never claims he sent that message) then you can't lynch anybody until they do since you don't know shit, and that message could have easily been sent by a minion with similar powers for instance who decided not to claim. Person A does not receive a message. Person B claims to have messages him/her. Forges a PM, with whatever inside. Who would you kill first? The Sender or The Receiver?
When will that ever happen?
sandro's "plans" hinged on the people he messaged to claim before he claimed he sent the message
You mean if sandro is scum, doesn't have any more "PMs" and lies about it?
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I'd do sender, but this pointless.... I don't get why you guys are so interested now but refused to talk about 1 for 1 stuff when i brought it up in the beginning.
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Since I doubt any more scum will fall for that trick again (and will instantly post a message they receive from sandro) I'd be more inclined to believe sandro lied.
Depending on who he messaged though
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On July 21 2012 06:48 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:45 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:On July 21 2012 06:36 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote:
Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:
We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.
We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.
Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left. I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me? Null tell at best. Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed. Tell me, if someone were to forge a pm and we'd get into crossfire of who's lying and who's not, who'd you lynch first? The Messenger or The Messenged? Who forged a PM? The only way that has any bearing is if NOBODY claims they sent that PM in a massclaim or sorts. If messages like the one wbg and other people received are never claimed (i.e the sender never claims he sent that message) then you can't lynch anybody until they do since you don't know shit, and that message could have easily been sent by a minion with similar powers for instance who decided not to claim.
false. Minions will most likely not have the ability to message town. If they do have the ability to message town and pick a mafia member to message.. the message is deleted...amazing! Its like a role check!
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On July 21 2012 06:58 HiroPro wrote:
I'd do sender, but this pointless.... I don't get why you guys are so interested now but refused to talk about 1 for 1 stuff when i brought it up in the beginning.
Buy yourself a cake. So now I know that we're ok if something funky happens. Thanks HiroPro.
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On July 18 2012 08:08 supersoft wrote:
if you start to wifoming around someone who claimed a role and catched scum, at some point he will look suspicious in the eyes of an unexperienced mafiaplayer.
But if you look at the facts, sandroba is, if he catched scum with kurumi, town MVP right now. Noone else catched scum so far. he's not confirmed whatsoever and I already pointed out, that setupwise there is still a possibility that sandroba is scum. But this possibility is the only thing what stands between his status as townMVP and confirmedtown-townMVP. The assumption that the very existance of this possibility leads to the conclusion that sandroba is scum, is just bullshit.
sum-up: attacking sandro right now is bad play.
only thing that changed since then is that sandro catched another one. Austin needs to be lynched. I don't buy it, that he's that dumb.
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We have two confirmed messaging roles, and only one of the confirmed messaging roles (to me) has been confirmed able to target townies.
[/spoiler]We have a third messaging role that can target townies as well, but THAT messaging role hasn't claimed (to my knowledge) leading me to believe that IT is held by scum. This is NOT a fact, only specution.[/spoiler]
Based on what I know, and given my absolute belief in Operation: CEObliterate...
##Vote: sandroba
For the record, I want to believe he's town...but his reaction to my request and the facts logically point to him being scum (from my perspective).
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Blazinghand
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I'm crazy! I'll do it!
##unvote
##vote: sandroba
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On July 21 2012 07:00 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:58 HiroPro wrote:
I'd do sender, but this pointless.... I don't get why you guys are so interested now but refused to talk about 1 for 1 stuff when i brought it up in the beginning. Buy yourself a cake. So now I know that we're ok if something funky happens. Thanks HiroPro.
Don't worry. I still have some radpie  If only you were town 
I won't be there at deadline, but I doubt that matters today.
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ah wait. Don't wanna get you wrong: But you think he's more likely scum than kurumi. The guy who blew up RoL for absolutely NO reason? wow okay. VE is scum or as bad as austinmcc :-o
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On July 21 2012 07:17 supersoft wrote:
ah wait. Don't wanna get you wrong: But you think he's more likely scum than kurumi. The guy who blew up RoL for absolutely NO reason? wow okay. VE is scum or as bad as austinmcc :-o
He is terrible no matter the alignment
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lol wtf guys. stop that terrible play. it's terrible and you're not acting "crazy" or "cool". You're destroying my fucking game.
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I want to eliminate Executives. I think Sandroba is the Director of Marketing or the Chairman of the Board.
And Austinmcc isn't bad. He's paranoid, and now I am too.
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On July 21 2012 07:18 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 07:17 supersoft wrote:
ah wait. Don't wanna get you wrong: But you think he's more likely scum than kurumi. The guy who blew up RoL for absolutely NO reason? wow okay. VE is scum or as bad as austinmcc :-o He is terrible no matter the alignment
Then explain it to me syllo. Explain to me why scum allowed him to live tonight. KNOWING whether there's a medic in the setup on N1 is worth trying to take out that role IMO. It doesn't make sense at all to keep him alive. AT ALL syllo.
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On July 21 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 07:18 syllogism wrote:On July 21 2012 07:17 supersoft wrote:
ah wait. Don't wanna get you wrong: But you think he's more likely scum than kurumi. The guy who blew up RoL for absolutely NO reason? wow okay. VE is scum or as bad as austinmcc :-o He is terrible no matter the alignment Then explain it to me syllo. Explain to me why scum allowed him to live tonight. KNOWING whether there's a medic in the setup on N1 is worth trying to take out that role IMO. It doesn't make sense at all to keep him alive. AT ALL syllo.
I already explained but you refused to accept the explanation. How did you handwave this by the way?
Sandroba claims that he can pm every 1/2 cycle, so every 1/2 cycle he has to PM someone and he would quickly run out of minions to sacrifice if he was mafia. If he is town, he will obviously keep PMing. I can't believe we actually have to have this discussion.
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Because the pages are moving fast.
That's a true statement syllo, but it doesn't mean that he's not scum unfortunately. It only means that he hasn't yet reached his limit. :/
Anyway, Kurumi flipping scum is wrapped up in my theory, so unless some kind of miracle vote-switch happens WITHOUT my pushing it
##Unvote: sandroba
##Vote: Kurumi
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On July 21 2012 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
I want to eliminate Executives. I think Sandroba is the Director of Marketing or the Chairman of the Board.
And Austinmcc isn't bad. He's paranoid, and now I am too.
+ Show Spoiler +hatshatshatshatshatshatshatshatshatshatshats!hats!hats!
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On July 21 2012 07:23 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 21 2012 07:18 syllogism wrote:On July 21 2012 07:17 supersoft wrote:
ah wait. Don't wanna get you wrong: But you think he's more likely scum than kurumi. The guy who blew up RoL for absolutely NO reason? wow okay. VE is scum or as bad as austinmcc :-o He is terrible no matter the alignment Then explain it to me syllo. Explain to me why scum allowed him to live tonight. KNOWING whether there's a medic in the setup on N1 is worth trying to take out that role IMO. It doesn't make sense at all to keep him alive. AT ALL syllo. I already explained but you refused to accept the explanation. How did you handwave this by the way? Show nested quote +Sandroba claims that he can pm every 1/2 cycle, so every 1/2 cycle he has to PM someone and he would quickly run out of minions to sacrifice if he was mafia. If he is town, he will obviously keep PMing. I can't believe we actually have to have this discussion.
No no VE has a better idea to test sandrobas ability. He just lynchs him and reads the role-PM. Much safer and you dont have to use your brain.
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On July 21 2012 07:28 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 07:23 syllogism wrote:On July 21 2012 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 21 2012 07:18 syllogism wrote:On July 21 2012 07:17 supersoft wrote:
ah wait. Don't wanna get you wrong: But you think he's more likely scum than kurumi. The guy who blew up RoL for absolutely NO reason? wow okay. VE is scum or as bad as austinmcc :-o He is terrible no matter the alignment Then explain it to me syllo. Explain to me why scum allowed him to live tonight. KNOWING whether there's a medic in the setup on N1 is worth trying to take out that role IMO. It doesn't make sense at all to keep him alive. AT ALL syllo. I already explained but you refused to accept the explanation. How did you handwave this by the way? Sandroba claims that he can pm every 1/2 cycle, so every 1/2 cycle he has to PM someone and he would quickly run out of minions to sacrifice if he was mafia. If he is town, he will obviously keep PMing. I can't believe we actually have to have this discussion. No no VE has a better idea to test sandrobas ability. He just lynchs him and reads the role-PM. Much safer and you dont have to use your brain.
My idea was for Sand to message ME if he could, but he absolutely refused. That doesn't even make any sense considering scum, in theory, aren't going to keep falling for this shit...but whatever. I'm the stupid one.
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