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On July 01 2012 22:04 Fulla wrote:
@Were I am actually experienced in mafia and would say I'm good. That's up to you to decide ofcourse
Forum based is very to me thou. I can barely keep up with the amount obe posts let alone everyone else. When you play it online in real time it becomes 90% trolling and laying low to stay alive. I'm trying to adapt and speak more. Bare with me :-)
did you try to stay low to stay alive? That sounds like a mafia strategy in real time mafia and you're trying to change that?
Or is it a general strategy that townies do as well? oO
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On July 01 2012 22:03 WereBugs-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 21:33 Nova_Terra wrote:On July 01 2012 19:27 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 19:23 Nova_Terra wrote:On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons.
1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy
2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum
3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong
You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done.
On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam. I'm starting to agree with this ( the part about s&b and mattchew) You know....I like that. People posting what they think of the thread "as they go by reading it" makes it very transparent of them. If they just said "okay I'll read the thread", then wait a couple of hours before posting their thoughts, then if they were scum they could easily read the whole thread, capture all the events that happened, and think what the best response would be based on that (taking everything into account). If they had to post "as they read it", then they take away that ability, and they may fuck up by saying something and then realizing they should have said something else; meaning they would most likely not do that at all...which means that the people that do it are more likely town. So Nova, keep doing that to see your thought process (specially when the juicy stuff comes). I realize you are not reading this (and reading the thread instead) so whatever. However props to you for doing that, it makes me feel better about you for now (and that the whole no-night-kill was staged) On June 28 2012 15:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also I thing sitting back and thinking about opinions is bullshit truthfully, opinions and thoughts should be stated as soon as they are thought of, they should be raw and unrefined and can be explained later. That's more chances for scum to slip up and townieness to shine. I still don't think that shitting up the threa is a bad thing unless there is endless filler. Also zealos is town, no way he woulda told us to move past the night kill first as scum (at least if I'm town) Are you talking about that post over here from page 47: Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 10:48 Zealos wrote:
I'm really inclined to say ignore the non-shot and continue as normal. Presuming the missing shot was deliberate, it was designed to cause chaos. Lets not let it. Because I did this post on page 46: Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:51 WereBugs-Go wrote:
wtf happened? oO
Is this supposed to be some wifom because they couldn't kill gonzaw and didn't want to attack me / Nova because that'd confirm me or because it would confirm nova (either way lol)? I can't think of this being effective unless we screw up big time. I'd say either way, this is supposed to confuse us SOMEHOW.
Therefore I'd say we don't talk / think about that at all. Surely mafia wants us to talk / think about it for some reason. We're given a free circle. Let's use that circle without even getting into wifom.
If someone else already said something like that sorry. I'm just now catching up. Also I have to kill one of my monsters... I'm still not drawing lands and if I kill one I can draw to more cards.
Does your "I guess that confirms Zealos" argument still hold anything of value?
Didnt see that sry
I still think Zealos is town yes
And i think that that decision to ignore the no-attack does help his case for being town, although not as much as it would have
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On July 01 2012 22:12 WereBugs-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 22:04 Fulla wrote:
@Were I am actually experienced in mafia and would say I'm good. That's up to you to decide ofcourse
Forum based is very to me thou. I can barely keep up with the amount obe posts let alone everyone else. When you play it online in real time it becomes 90% trolling and laying low to stay alive. I'm trying to adapt and speak more. Bare with me :-) did you try to stay low to stay alive? That sounds like a mafia strategy in real time mafia and you're trying to change that? Or is it a general strategy that townies do as well? oO
In real time mafia i find that anyone who is outspoken tends to die, both as mafia and as town, so the best strat i find is to sit down and shut up until it really matters
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On July 01 2012 22:12 WereBugs-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 22:04 Fulla wrote:
@Were I am actually experienced in mafia and would say I'm good. That's up to you to decide ofcourse
Forum based is very to me thou. I can barely keep up with the amount obe posts let alone everyone else. When you play it online in real time it becomes 90% trolling and laying low to stay alive. I'm trying to adapt and speak more. Bare with me :-) did you try to stay low to stay alive? That sounds like a mafia strategy in real time mafia and you're trying to change that? Or is it a general strategy that townies do as well? oO
Mostly applies as a townie actually. If you speak a lot or seem smart you get killed instantly. Saying that obe was most talkative and got attacked straight away. Appears to not be too different I. That regard.
Anyways don't mean to go off topic. Just so you understand my perspective when entering this game.
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Guys i can play giant growth as well as my rootwallas ability, Should i cast it on Oberyns avatar so nobody goes OMFG NOVA SO STRONK?
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I say cast it it on Obe Avatar yeah
Are we all attacking Greymist then? Yes?
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On July 02 2012 00:05 Nova_Terra wrote:
Guys i can play giant growth as well as my rootwallas ability, Should i cast it on Oberyns avatar so nobody goes OMFG NOVA SO STRONK?
I don't know, you tell me.
Obe is the guy who is telling people that you're mafia and from what I see he'd rather attack you than Greymist. And you want to buff him?
Don't forget the global card this turn: Noone can block, so the trample is completly wayne because even if you boost a 1/1 creature that creature will do it's dmg this turn and will do it's +dmg from your giants growth as obes 8/8 creature would do.
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Thats true, Oberyn, whats happening at u?
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Nova who do you think is scum right now?
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Also here's another thing. Yeah I said I don't want us to talk about this no-shot but I really think it was weird for the purpose of being weird.
This shot is troublesome for the Nova, Obe and myself as we're doubting our townreads because we're asking ourselfes "why didn't they shoot at least one of Nova+WBG" and I think that's the purpose of this no-shot. I'm talking about this because of Obe's case on Nova. I think it is somewhat weak, Nova might or might not end up being mafia but I think this only started because of the no-shot, so here we go:
- Let's assume I am modconfirmed town for a second, I think obe is town and I got a slight townread on nova. That's what I said the most recent cycle. What does that mean for me? Surely Obe didn't get shot because they want to kill him with a 2nd hit instead of leaving him alive with 2HP. But why didn't they shoot me? Probably because that would have made Nova look bad because they didn't shoot him although he has a 8/8 trample thingie. So from my point of view this no-shot should trigger a "wtf, I was wrong on Nova and he's actually mafia" reaction.
- Same goes the other way arround. Let's assume I am nova, I am a modconfirmed town, I think obe is town and I got a slight townread on WBG. Pretty sure he said something like that as well. It's a slightly different situation because shooting me could make sense from his point of view because I'm a Toad+Marv hydra and that's scary as well but a no-shot should instantly trigger the same "wtf, I was wrong on WBG and he's actually mafia" reaction if he's town.
- And if Obe is town having a townread on Nova and myself, it should trigger a "wtf, either WBG or Nova has to be mafia, there's no other reason for not shooting into one of them" and frankly he just said he thinks very strongly that Nova is mafia yesterday after that shot.
Those conclusions are logical and they should come to my / Novas / Gonzaws mind instantly. I can see Obe thought of it as he clearly thinks Nova is mafia right now. I know I thought about it as well but didn't mention it because I didn't want to start the wifom-talk and Nova either was as smart as I am or he didn't realize it.
Funny thing is: It's again a reason to attack Greymist. This no-shot does nothing but casting doubt between us 3 while it has nothing to do with Greymist. It pushes us into thinking "well that means this guy HAS to be mafia" and I think that's what's going on. If Greymist somehow magically flips town, fine we can talk about this and one of us 3 has to be mafia but right now I'd say mafia did something unlogically (not shooting) to push us into trying to figure out what could be the most logical solution to this problem, thus defending Greymist by mislynching into one of our townreads because of that no-shot.
This is all way to convenient to be true. There is a shitton of "information" we could get from that no-shot but only one explanation can be true. A lot of it is stuff like "well that guy has to be mafia then I guess" but I can't think of a scenario that involves Greymist. We're killing Greymist today and killing the 2nd mafia tomorrow. If Greymist somehow really flips town we're searching for mafia in Nov, Obe or myself but if Grey is really mafia the other 3 names are all town.
That's it from me for a while. On my way to my place again and probably won't post something for the next 16 hours or something like that. Have to start SSB mafia later when I'm back (24:00 my time) and I won't have time to post in here between starting that game and sleeping I guess.
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On July 02 2012 01:00 WereBugs-Go wrote:Also here's another thing. Yeah I said I don't want us to talk about this no-shot but I really think it was weird for the purpose of being weird. This shot is troublesome for the Nova, Obe and myself as we're doubting our townreads because we're asking ourselfes "why didn't they shoot at least one of Nova+WBG" and I think that's the purpose of this no-shot. I'm talking about this because of Obe's case on Nova. I think it is somewhat weak, Nova might or might not end up being mafia but I think this only started because of the no-shot, so here we go: - Let's assume I am modconfirmed town for a second, I think obe is town and I got a slight townread on nova. That's what I said the most recent cycle. What does that mean for me? Surely Obe didn't get shot because they want to kill him with a 2nd hit instead of leaving him alive with 2HP. But why didn't they shoot me? Probably because that would have made Nova look bad because they didn't shoot him although he has a 8/8 trample thingie. So from my point of view this no-shot should trigger a "wtf, I was wrong on Nova and he's actually mafia" reaction.
- Same goes the other way arround. Let's assume I am nova, I am a modconfirmed town, I think obe is town and I got a slight townread on WBG. Pretty sure he said something like that as well. It's a slightly different situation because shooting me could make sense from his point of view because I'm a Toad+Marv hydra and that's scary as well but a no-shot should instantly trigger the same "wtf, I was wrong on WBG and he's actually mafia" reaction if he's town.
- And if Obe is town having a townread on Nova and myself, it should trigger a "wtf, either WBG or Nova has to be mafia, there's no other reason for not shooting into one of them" and frankly he just said he thinks very strongly that Nova is mafia yesterday after that shot.
Those conclusions are logical and they should come to my / Novas / Gonzaws mind instantly. I can see Obe thought of it as he clearly thinks Nova is mafia right now. I know I thought about it as well but didn't mention it because I didn't want to start the wifom-talk and Nova either was as smart as I am or he didn't realize it. Funny thing is: It's again a reason to attack Greymist. This no-shot does nothing but casting doubt between us 3 while it has nothing to do with Greymist. It pushes us into thinking "well that means this guy HAS to be mafia" and I think that's what's going on. If Greymist somehow magically flips town, fine we can talk about this and one of us 3 has to be mafia but right now I'd say mafia did something unlogically (not shooting) to push us into trying to figure out what could be the most logical solution to this problem, thus defending Greymist by mislynching into one of our townreads because of that no-shot. This is all way to convenient to be true. There is a shitton of "information" we could get from that no-shot but only one explanation can be true. A lot of it is stuff like "well that guy has to be mafia then I guess" but I can't think of a scenario that involves Greymist. We're killing Greymist today and killing the 2nd mafia tomorrow. If Greymist somehow really flips town we're searching for mafia in Nov, Obe or myself but if Grey is really mafia the other 3 names are all town. That's it from me for a while. On my way to my place again and probably won't post something for the next 16 hours or something like that. Have to start SSB mafia later when I'm back (24:00 my time) and I won't have time to post in here between starting that game and sleeping I guess.
Two things:
1. why couldn't mafia have thrown around the same amount of doubt by attacking a lurker or someone under suspicion?
2. It doesn't seem like Nova came to that same conclusion. Under your analysis what does that mean?
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I agree either they made an error or deliberately did this to shake us up and cast doubt. There were plenty of targets.
I find it strange how grey doesnt post anymore. I vote attack him as planned before this 'mindscrew scenario' happened.
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On July 02 2012 01:38 Fulla wrote:
I agree either they made an error or deliberately did this to shake us up and cast doubt. There were plenty of targets.
I find it strange how grey doesnt post anymore. I vote attack him as planned before this 'mindscrew scenario' happened.
Still trying to improve on my sleep posting abilities.
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WBG why do you come to the conclusion that if grey flips town one of me you or obe is scum?
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On July 02 2012 00:40 strongandbig wrote:
Nova who do you think is scum right now?
Mattchew
He keeps pushing along things passively while chilling back and doing nothing himself
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On July 02 2012 03:24 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 00:40 strongandbig wrote:
Nova who do you think is scum right now? Mattchew He keeps pushing along things passively while chilling back and doing nothing himself
Pushing what along exactly?
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On July 02 2012 00:24 WereBugs-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 00:05 Nova_Terra wrote:
Guys i can play giant growth as well as my rootwallas ability, Should i cast it on Oberyns avatar so nobody goes OMFG NOVA SO STRONK? I don't know, you tell me. Obe is the guy who is telling people that you're mafia and from what I see he'd rather attack you than Greymist. And you want to buff him? Don't forget the global card this turn: Noone can block, so the trample is completly wayne because even if you boost a 1/1 creature that creature will do it's dmg this turn and will do it's +dmg from your giants growth as obes 8/8 creature would do.
Nah I changed my mind I think the (4)Mattchew+Greymist scum team is more likely now
That "posting my thoughts as I read the thread" thing Nova did convinced me, I never saw scum do that in my life (there's no reason for them to do that).
Also he was way too confident about being shot by scum tonight, and doesn't seem to post with fear right now, even though he "was found out" if he was scum; and he seems pretty confident right now as well, which is something I found about him early in the game as well.
Even if he was scum he'd have to attack his scumbuddy in Greymist/Mattchew.
Yeah I always misinterpret scum intentions with the night kill....so I'm surely wrong about their intentions tonight as well >_>
Well, at least we got some opinions from people, with most still having a slight town read on Nova and not thinking much of the night kill, so I guess that's good.
On July 02 2012 02:13 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 01:38 Fulla wrote:
I agree either they made an error or deliberately did this to shake us up and cast doubt. There were plenty of targets.
I find it strange how grey doesnt post anymore. I vote attack him as planned before this 'mindscrew scenario' happened. Still trying to improve on my sleep posting abilities.
Attack Mattchew today and I might let you live, okay?
Also you are not making any sense, you think all 3 of S&B/Mattchew/Zealos are scum, which is impossible.
Also, you are doing absolutely nothing
Okay, first I started to think about what S&B said about you "being frustrated and only defending yourself so you didn't have time to hunt scum", so yeah, just like in iGrok's game, maybe you got too frustrated against me and used all your energy defending yourself, leaving you little energy to actually scumhunt.
Okay I could see that if you were town...
...so what's your excuse now?
Ever since the blocking phase, I started to give you the benefit of the doubt after you posted your scumreads. You had 0% pressure from me at that point, it was impossible for you to be "frustrated" and "without energy".
...so what are you doing with said "energy" today? Nothing...absolutely nothing.
You made a "good" case against S&B (about his aweful case/interaction with you), and I thought you would follow with that today.....but you did not.
You said you thought Mattchew was scum, so I thought you'd follow that today as well....but you did not.
Hell you are not even asking people questions and pressuring people, which is what you did in iGrok's game at least (showed you were at least interested in the game).
I haven't seen you pressure anybody at all this game, even when you weren't "under pressure".
Hell I tried to force you to post your opinion on Mattchew and you vehemently opposed. Wtf you should be lynched just because of that.
So yeah, I say we kill Greymist, but attack Mattchew as well (we have enough damage to do so).
One of our Avatars can attack Grey, the other attacks Mattchew, and other people attack whoever they prefer.
What do you guys think?
On July 02 2012 00:05 Nova_Terra wrote:
Guys i can play giant growth as well as my rootwallas ability, Should i cast it on Oberyns avatar so nobody goes OMFG NOVA SO STRONK?
Oooh!! What's that? An enchantment or something?
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On July 02 2012 04:20 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 03:24 Nova_Terra wrote:On July 02 2012 00:40 strongandbig wrote:
Nova who do you think is scum right now? Mattchew He keeps pushing along things passively while chilling back and doing nothing himself Pushing what along exactly?
lol
Would you like to....I dunno....comment on any of the shit that happened since D2?
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Giant Growth:
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Omg that rocks!
So, my Clone will have 11/11.
Grey has 15 health, to kill him we just need me to attack him with my Clone and WBG to attack him with his Myr Enforcer, that's it, only 2 attacks.
We can use the remaining Avatar/monsters to attack Mattchew, or somebody else we think is scum (at least to reduce their HP only).
What do you guys think?
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I don't like that Necrotic Silver (could destroy my Clone, he'd even be justified because "he's town and doesn't want to die"), and neither that Mindlash Sliver, since he can get everybody to discard a card right before the day ends.
I have 2 cards that can return them to his hand (Echoing Truth+Aether Spellbomb), should I used them on him?
I'll die next turn so this will basically be the only time I can use them.
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