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Ob how much of your opinion of me is based off my inactivity and how much of your opinion is based on me defending greymist.
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On July 02 2012 04:36 Mattchew wrote:
Ob how much of your opinion of me is based off my inactivity and how much of your opinion is based on me defending greymist.
Inactivity-25%
Defending Grey with shitty reasons-35%
You doing nothing at all even when you are active-40%
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Casting Avatar of Might on D2- 8 mana
Casting Clone targetting said Avatar- 4 mana
Letting WBG cast Myr Enforcer- 3 mana
Using all 3 to kill both scum on D3- Priceless
For everything else, there's Magic Mastercard
>_>
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Hey so like I said in my drunken ramble yesterday, I will be flying to switzerland. Specifically, I will be boarding the plane in half an hour. So I'm turning posting over to my brother for the next day or two.
Ttfn fools!
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On July 02 2012 06:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey so like I said in my drunken ramble yesterday, I will be flying to switzerland. Specifically, I will be boarding the plane in half an hour. So I'm turning posting over to my brother for the next day or two.
Ttfn fools!
Before you go, would you agree with us attacking Greymist and Mattchew today?
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On July 02 2012 06:20 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 06:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey so like I said in my drunken ramble yesterday, I will be flying to switzerland. Specifically, I will be boarding the plane in half an hour. So I'm turning posting over to my brother for the next day or two.
Ttfn fools! Before you go, would you agree with us attacking Greymist and Mattchew today?
Ob, before you get ahead of yourself, shouldnt we get 1 lynch and confirmed flip before we start jumping to conclusions involving connections?
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I think it's unlikely that they're both scum, they're both experienced players and would presumably not both go with the "lurk and complain" strat.
I think it's 50-50 that one of the two of them is scum.
Request: don't put anyone at 12 or below without killing them. I don't want to give scum the chance to create more wifom and still get a kill by attacking someone other than you.
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On July 02 2012 06:30 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 06:20 Oberyn wrote:On July 02 2012 06:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey so like I said in my drunken ramble yesterday, I will be flying to switzerland. Specifically, I will be boarding the plane in half an hour. So I'm turning posting over to my brother for the next day or two.
Ttfn fools! Before you go, would you agree with us attacking Greymist and Mattchew today? Ob, before you get ahead of yourself, shouldnt we get 1 lynch and confirmed flip before we start jumping to conclusions involving connections?
I'd be happy to die. I actually think that my flip will instigate those who needlessly defended me as the true mafia.
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On July 02 2012 06:37 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 06:30 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:20 Oberyn wrote:On July 02 2012 06:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey so like I said in my drunken ramble yesterday, I will be flying to switzerland. Specifically, I will be boarding the plane in half an hour. So I'm turning posting over to my brother for the next day or two.
Ttfn fools! Before you go, would you agree with us attacking Greymist and Mattchew today? Ob, before you get ahead of yourself, shouldnt we get 1 lynch and confirmed flip before we start jumping to conclusions involving connections? I'd be happy to die. I actually think that my flip will instigate those who needlessly defended me as the true mafia.
Are you referring to me needlessly defending you? if not who?
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On July 02 2012 07:10 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 06:37 GreYMisT wrote:On July 02 2012 06:30 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:20 Oberyn wrote:On July 02 2012 06:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey so like I said in my drunken ramble yesterday, I will be flying to switzerland. Specifically, I will be boarding the plane in half an hour. So I'm turning posting over to my brother for the next day or two.
Ttfn fools! Before you go, would you agree with us attacking Greymist and Mattchew today? Ob, before you get ahead of yourself, shouldnt we get 1 lynch and confirmed flip before we start jumping to conclusions involving connections? I'd be happy to die. I actually think that my flip will instigate those who needlessly defended me as the true mafia. Are you referring to me needlessly defending you? if not who?
Mostly strong and big.
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So: I'm real DrunK right now. All the beerrs for CanAda! POsting thoughts and catching up. Sorry agains for beign scurbby nub scared to post 'nd shit. Trying to be better. Berr courage and I will have lots things to say.
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On July 01 2012 11:38 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 09:46 strongandbig wrote:On July 01 2012 09:17 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 08:51 WereBugs-Go wrote:
wtf happened? oO
Is this supposed to be some wifom because they couldn't kill gonzaw and didn't want to attack me / Nova because that'd confirm me or because it would confirm nova (either way lol)? I can't think of this being effective unless we screw up big time. I'd say either way, this is supposed to confuse us SOMEHOW.
Therefore I'd say we don't talk / think about that at all. Surely mafia wants us to talk / think about it for some reason. We're given a free circle. Let's use that circle without even getting into wifom.
If someone else already said something like that sorry. I'm just now catching up. Also I have to kill one of my monsters... I'm still not drawing lands and if I kill one I can draw to more cards.
I think there are 3 options: 1)Scum do want to confuse us and let us WIFOM about it. They are not scared of Nova's beast (somehow) and don't think he's a threat to them, even though nobody is suspicious of Nova so they would HAVE to kill him at some point. They wouldn't want to "confirm" other player (WBG/Prome/etc) by attacking him as well 2)Nova is scum. Because attacking someone else (WBG/Prome) would basically out Nova as scum (since everybody expected Nova to be attacked....well at least I think they did) because if scum decided to attack someone at all to reduce their HP it wouldn't make sense to NOT attack the guy that's "almost confirmed town" by everybody and has like 13 potential damage plus a card that can get him any creature he wants from his deck. 3)Scum were legitimately AFK throughout the whole night and forgot to send their kill, I doubt (3) is the case, because everybody except Nova posted in the Attack phase, therefore at least 1 scum was active to send their kill. Well.. maybe the scum that was active didn't send that kill at that point for some reason, and then forgot about it. If that was the case then basically Grey/S&B/me/Zealos are confirmed town (if this was the case) and the scum would be a combination of Fulla/Nova/Prome/WBG/Mattchew. However, Fulla/Prome posted as soon as the Day post went up, so if they were scum I think they would have been active 10 minutes earlier to send their mafia KP kill. So that would leave Nova/WBG/Mattchew as the scum. The thing is that I'm afraid (2) is the case, why? Because I don't think (1) would have happened. The only way that would have happened is if S&B/Grey/Mattchew/maybe Zealos were scum and they were desperate and decided to make a desperate action to try and introduce enough confusion to survive. However if the scum aren't in the group of S&B/Grey/Mattchew/maybe Zealos then there would be almost no reason to not hit Nova IMO (or at least WBG or someone else). If Nova was scum, it would make sense to not kill anybody and then say "Well scum were AFK/Scum were trying to confuse us lets forget about it" to try and save Nova's skin, which would have happened if S&B/Promethelax/Fulla were Nova's buddies (since those 3 were the first to try and divert attention to those subjects), or maybe even WBG (since he said that as well right now).. So yeah, that night kill made me paranoid for those reasons. Even if (3) was the case, it would still mean Nova was most likely scum for instance (I doubt WBG was such a derp for forgetting to send his action, specially when he just showed up and could have sent his action 1 hour before showing up here) Also the fact that nobody even mentioned this making Nova scum makes me even more paranoid If scum decided to not attack to confuse us.....then surely they would have thought accusing Nova would confuse us further, right? So many people are trying to "bury" the night kill by saying things like "Let's not worry about it scum are confusing us let's forget about it and scumhunt!" that it doesn't seem the case. I guess the best thing to do is wait for Nova to come and see what he does. I think you may be overestimating the strength of the 8/8 trampleyman. There are basically a million ways to get rid of one; I would be surprised if there were more than one or two players who don't have that ability, either on the board or in their hands. The trick is persuading everyone that they have a good reason for getting rid of it. So if mafia think they have a good excuse to kill off nova's trampler, they wouldn't be afraid of him. I also want to make a few other mtg comments while I'm at it: First: are you serious about skullclamp right now? That shit is banned for a reason (hint: it's amazingly, ridiculously good.) Second: either greymist has had really bad luck in drawing slivers or his deck was balanced by Artanis pretty harshly, because any sliver deck with Cautery Sliver and this discard sliver in it is not something we should be all too afraid of. (I realize that the discard sliver can be very good in a deck built around it but it's not pumping up slivers in the normal way that I was afraid of at the start of the game.) Third: I'm a little worried about a few of these decks that look like they're building towards large instant-win combos. Specifically, I'm referring to Zealos and Bugs. Zealos looks to be playing some kind of multi-color artifact-based combo deck, and bugs could be playing a "myr tribal deck" rather than a combo deck but that's not something I've really heard of before. Personally, I would consider combo decks like tezzeret-based and myr incubator-based decks to be pretty anti-town for the same reason I don't like the "leave one townie alive" plan - I don't want to gamble the whole game on one player. Thoughts? I am an insta win deck for 1v1 I suppose. I cast a ton on one turn then use tendrils to dish a ton of damage to one player. Like I said earlier, I am basically a one shot vig, I just fucked up at the start of the game casting the artifacts.
How is Zleaolos decks insta-win? What the helll is a tendril and how was having 0/Anything a good plain? Am I missing something obvious due to beers or is this really dumb? I Still think Zealos looks scummee but maybe just played badd? Had bad deck? I dunno, I'm going to keep readoning.
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On July 02 2012 06:30 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 06:20 Oberyn wrote:On July 02 2012 06:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey so like I said in my drunken ramble yesterday, I will be flying to switzerland. Specifically, I will be boarding the plane in half an hour. So I'm turning posting over to my brother for the next day or two.
Ttfn fools! Before you go, would you agree with us attacking Greymist and Mattchew today? Ob, before you get ahead of yourself, shouldnt we get 1 lynch and confirmed flip before we start jumping to conclusions involving connections?
Sadly that's not really how this game works (I've already explained why a while ago), at least not until some guy has very low health (for instance Greymist).
Yes killing Greymist alone this cycle perhaps would be "good", since we'll take his flip into account and then see connections and stuff (depending on what he flips), but it will waste us 1 turn and lots of potential damage used on other players.
...I still don't know if perhaps we should be killing you first.
Also, you have 20 HP, that's a lot. If we kill Grey alone and not attack you, then if we figure out you are scum it will be a bitch to kill you (my 8/8 beast will be gone once I die).
Putting you at 10 or so HP would make it easier to deal with you depending on what Grey flips, wouldn't you think? At worst....scum waste their KP Beast on you at some point (which is not bad...let them waste KP on scummy people and not "obvious townies").
That's what I propose today: Kill Greymist, leave Mattchew with low health.
Although I could be persuaded to do the opposite (kill Mattchew, leave Grey with low health). I'm not really sure.
I don't see much downside in killing both today...I doubt both are town, and in the case both are scum/ one is scum it may prevent the WIFOM and stuff caused if we lynch one of them but let the other one (that's scum) survive.
On July 02 2012 06:35 strongandbig wrote:
I think it's unlikely that they're both scum, they're both experienced players and would presumably not both go with the "lurk and complain" strat.
I think it's 50-50 that one of the two of them is scum.
Request: don't put anyone at 12 or below without killing them. I don't want to give scum the chance to create more wifom and still get a kill by attacking someone other than you.
Matt didn't do the "complain" strat, actually he was "open" and "agreeable" one. He agreed with the 8/8 beasts, and other stuff, and barely complained at all.
I think it's 50-50 that one of the two of them is scum.
Killing them both would net us 1 scum at least then?
Request: don't put anyone at 12 or below without killing them. I don't want to give scum the chance to create more wifom and still get a kill by attacking someone other than you.
I disagree. If we put Mattchew and Grey and scummy people at below 12, then:
1)If we are every "very convinced" they are scum it will be easier to kill them (preferably on 1 turn)
2)If they are town, and scum decide to use their KP Beast on them....then they will not use their KP Beast on more useful townies or people that are making sense and are considered town by many (me, WBG, maybe Fulla, etc).
The alternative means that they'll have 20 HP all game until we decide to kill him....and at that point we may have less townies left and less potential town damage to kill him (and it may take too many turns to do so).
On July 02 2012 06:37 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 06:30 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:20 Oberyn wrote:On July 02 2012 06:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey so like I said in my drunken ramble yesterday, I will be flying to switzerland. Specifically, I will be boarding the plane in half an hour. So I'm turning posting over to my brother for the next day or two.
Ttfn fools! Before you go, would you agree with us attacking Greymist and Mattchew today? Ob, before you get ahead of yourself, shouldnt we get 1 lynch and confirmed flip before we start jumping to conclusions involving connections? I'd be happy to die. I actually think that my flip will instigate those who needlessly defended me as the true mafia.
....which I guess you mean S&B and Mattchew? We don't need your flip (which would be town from your POV) to know that Mattchew is likely scum.
Well..you are happy to die and I don't want to WIFOM myself on this one, so I guess, yeah, maybe you should die.
Would you attack Mattchew with your beasts today at least?
To Greymist
I don't like that Necrotic Silver you have, which you can use to destroy one of the 8/8 beasts right before you die.
Could you use his ability to destroy one of Zealos monster's so I know that you can't use it on one of the 8/8 beasts?
I say you use it on Zeal's Ornimpothper (sp?). The reasoning is:
-That creature has 0 power, so he's useless this game (it can't be used to deal damage to scum)
-It's a creature that can only server for Zealos to block in later turns, and in late game players that can easily block attacks are very dangerous if they were to be scum
-He already has another one, AND has a 0/3 wall as well, so it doesn't matter to him at all
If you destroy someone else's monster you reduce potential town controlled damage. Even if you destroy one of Matt's monsters....we could force Matt to use one of his monsters to attack you for instance, which would still be town controlled damage. I wouldn't be opposed in you doing that though, just don't destroy a monster from someone else.
Would you do this Grey? I'll give you some time to do it, if not I'll use Echoing Truth on your monster because I don't want to risk you killing one of the beasts later in the Attack Phase.
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On July 01 2012 13:36 strongandbig wrote:
BUT GONZAW IF ZEALOS WAS TOWN WHY WOULD HE LITERALLY ONLY BE POSTING ABOUT HIMSELF townies need t try to find scum instead of trying jsut to say why the cases against them make people scummy
idk mayber im wrong which is why I WISH MARVELOSITY WAS HERE BECAUSE I TRUST HIS ANALYSIS although he could be scum too
TOAD DO YOU THINK ZEALOS IS TOWN OR SCUM PLEASE TELL ME idk whether i trust your analysis as much as marvelosity's because he's cool and awesome and you're cool but not awesome but
I WANT TO KNOW WHETHR OR NOT IM FUCKING CRAZY
like, can there sometimes be townies who do what zealos is doing and don'tpost about anything except themselves? Is it just that he doesn't give a fuck and is MrZentoring the fuck out of this game? But if someone really doesnt give a fuck why would they try so hard to keep from having cases against them I JUST DONT GET IT
I feel COnnected to all these posts, haaha same mindset right now.
Zealos hasn't even responded aboot his reads on anyone yet, has he?? I dun't think so. Zealos is either really in love with Zealos or is scummy red scum. Can we kill him? Now>
YEAH, where is MArvv? I don't see him sround anywheres. Toad: bring me your friend!
Makess Me feel better that Strong is confused. I'm comfused too but he is smart good at mafia nad i"m not. SO much confusinon right now. Still think GreY and Zealoso are reddest, look at them. GerY is aonly posting mean name calling and lone ranger shit. Why does GrEy want to be last man stading? Doesn't help townns.
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lol so much drunk posting.
If both of you are town then that will be my main scumhunting skill 
Every townie just get drunk and post whatever you think!
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On July 01 2012 14:36 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 10:48 Zealos wrote:
I'm really inclined to say ignore the non-shot and continue as normal. Presuming the missing shot was deliberate, it was designed to cause chaos. Lets not let it. This man is correct.
GerY! Why you no say anything new? You know you are big scum in everyone's eyes and you don't add anything? Add something to discussion, make some reads. You think Matt is scum right? Just because he is being useless lazy man this game? Why is Matt red to you? I fyou are town you'll die really soon so post reads. If youa re scum post some reads to cause some wifom. I don't get it, why are you refusal to play mafia part of this game?
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On July 01 2012 15:00 Oberyn wrote:Hmm Grey, you are actually making me consider a 4th possible scumteam: 4)Mattchew and Grey The fact that you just casually mention Matt as scum but don't say anything else about him even when prodded, just when you were so eager to tell me why S&B was scum instead make me think of this as a possibility. Not only that but also the fact he basically soft-defended you the whole game for shitty reasons: Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 05:22 Mattchew wrote:On June 28 2012 05:10 WereBugs-Go wrote:
I'd be happy to attack Zealos or Greymist in general. I'd like to give people like Fulla more time right now. There's no point in attacking that guy right now and basicly the isssue with him is "dude does nothing at all" while I consider having the same read for Greymist and Zealos. However, I know that Greymist and Zealos are capable of doing otherwise. I don't know if that's the case for Fulla.
If we want to attack Zealos we need to come up with some plan because he has a shitton of stuff to block. Why Greymist? That seems like an awful idea Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 04:59 Mattchew wrote:
I don't want to attack Greymist, I think he's posted logically and has been pretty open and honest with the thread. This fear of his deck being OP is only if he's scum which is weak.
I would much rather run at zealos or even fulla or MAYBE WereBugs-Go Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 05:40 Mattchew wrote:On June 30 2012 05:36 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 05:15 strongandbig wrote:On June 30 2012 05:01 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 04:49 strongandbig wrote:On June 30 2012 04:47 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 04:36 GreYMisT wrote:
I honestly just don't care anymore. My new plan this game is to get so powerful that no one can stop me, and then systematically kill everyone who annoys me and be the last one standing. Bound to be mafia somewhere in there. I'm already there, and you kind of annoy me this game so I'll take your own advice. What is your opinion on my case against Zealos's filter? You still haven't told me why you would attack Zealos instead of Greymist. Hell even the "his deck is the strongest" argument works in favour of you attacking Grey. I can't say I disagree with your "case", he did lurk, not contribute and kind of flip-flop with some ideas (about the deck-revealing plan, about "helping town"). But I got a gut town read on him. His reactions seemed legit to me, for instance this: On June 30 2012 01:00 Zealos wrote:On June 30 2012 00:49 Oberyn wrote:
@Zealos: I can already summon the 8/8 beast without your help, you giving me mana will only make me able to cast the Spellbomb.
Do you agree about me being able to use the Spellbomb or not? That's what you will be doing by giving me mana, so think about it By this logic I suppose I may as well give you mana. I'm also happy with your choice of attack in S&B, your logic makes sense. I'll give you my swamp mana (Only have the one unfortunately.) On June 30 2012 01:53 Zealos wrote:
This is a mess. I'm gonna have to have a good read before committing my mana anywhere. On June 30 2012 01:55 Zealos wrote:
Ok, no, Grey's points against Ob were bad, and his random new case seemed desperate. Giving all 3 mana to you Ob, that what you need? You may say he's "flip-flopping" and that actually makes him scum. But there would be no reason for him as scum to do this, since it happened in a short period of time and there was no significant event in between. That seemed to me more like a confused townie changing his mind over and over because of frustration and shit (I've done it many times as town). To me it seems more like a lurking scum who realized that he might actually die, and who was therefore in a hurry to stop seeming lurky. On June 30 2012 04:36 Oberyn wrote:
Also, if he was planning on giving me 3 mana as scum, I don't think he would have done it the way he did it (in a rush, in the heat of the moment, etc). Scum don't play in the heat of the moment, they stay back, plan, wait and then post when necessary.
His posts didn't seem like that.
He gave you mana as soon as you said you would attack me. I think he did it in a rush to seem towny as soon as it was "safe" for him. On June 30 2012 04:36 Oberyn wrote:
Those "small" things make me have a gut town read on him.
He's also being the target of absolutely everybody and there's 0% opposition to his "lynch", even when I propose alternatives (you or Grey); which raises red flags since if he was scum him+the other scum would have been all over a Grey "lynch" since I proposed it, he wouldn't have called Grey out 1 hour ago, but before.
Also EVERYBODY called him scum, so he HAS to attack someone that attacked him by definition (he isn't attacking Prome, WBG nor Fulla for instance, and all of them FoSed Zealos).
Yes but he never actually did any ANALYSIS!!! I've made this point THREE TIMES and you CONTINUE to ignore it. His only reasoning for the attacks on me, nova, and GM were because of our cases against HIM, not because of our actions in the game. It's like he only actually cares about discrediting our cases against him. Oh wait does that sound like scum other Barry? YES IT DOES. On June 30 2012 04:36 Oberyn wrote:
The fact that I agree with his scumreads (you+Grey) help him a little bit. Oh nice to have that cleared up. Gee I wonder why his scumreads happen to agree with the most aggressive and vocal player in the thread, who's shown that he reacts badly to being disagreed with. (it's because he's scum) You are reacting like scum right now, you know that right? Look at the tone of your post: Yes but he never actually did any ANALYSIS!!! I've made this point THREE TIMES and you CONTINUE to ignore it. His only reasoning for the attacks on me, nova, and GM were because of our cases against HIM, not because of our actions in the game. It's like he only actually cares about discrediting our cases against him. Oh wait does that sound like scum other Barry? YES IT DOES. Oh nice to have that cleared up. Gee I wonder why his scumreads happen to agree with the most aggressive and vocal player in the thread, who's shown that he reacts badly to being disagreed with. (it's because he's scum) There's nothing that would make you change your tone/attitude like that, nothing. I didn't directly accuse you in that post, wasn't aggressive, nor condescending, nor insulting, nor "dense", nothing; I just stated why I got a gut town read on Zealos and now you are all over the place out of a sudden. You know I don't really want to defend Zealos but you give me no choice: To me it seems more like a lurking scum who realized that he might actually die, and who was therefore in a hurry to stop seeming lurky. What the...? What? How does that make sense? He flip-flopped on giving me mana because he "was in a hurry to stop seeming lurky"? wtf? He gave you mana as soon as you said you would attack me. I think he did it in a rush to seem towny as soon as it was "safe" for him. (First of all, I guess he meant "Greymist" and not "S&B" there, since I didn't actually say I would attack you then) I planned on attacking Greymist since like D1, why wouldn't he "rush" to that before? Yes, he didn't make any analysis...that doesn't automatically make him scum, it only makes him harder to read. Yes, he's "scummy", yes he "doesn't contribute", yes he "has a chance of being mafia". However his attitude seems townie IMO (certainly not like in LV where he was basically saying "oh can someone please tell me what to do?" and shit). Also S&B... You still haven't told me why you would attack Zealos instead of GreymistDo I have to use force or something to get that out of you? On June 30 2012 05:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 30 2012 05:19 Oberyn wrote:
Also is there a way to mark which monsters have summon sickness and which ones don't (in the board)? I already forgot who summoned what this turn >_> Just did. The (SS) behind the creatures does not mean they were part of the wrong party some 70 years ago but rather that they have summoning sickness. I was thinking more of coloring them red (for instance) or something, that way it's more noticeable.
(for instance I don't know if the (SS) refers to the creature to the left or to the right)
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>_>
You know, just leave it to me I'll update the Board myself @Mattchew: I see you wandering around here without discussing too much. What do you think of Greymist and S&B? Town and Town. I think somewhere in zealos/full/were is scum Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 08:07 Mattchew wrote:
The reason i suggested that is because I have a scum read on zealos and I don't think he would be bussing his teammate this early. I could be wrong about Zealos and S&B and then I will admit stupidity and then sheep ob and zeal, but I doubt I will have to do this. I am in the same boat with Greymist. I think he's a bad candidate for killing. Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 08:19 Mattchew wrote:On June 30 2012 08:14 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 08:07 Mattchew wrote:
The reason i suggested that is because I have a scum read on zealos and I don't think he would be bussing his teammate this early. I could be wrong about Zealos and S&B and then I will admit stupidity and then sheep ob and zeal, but I doubt I will have to do this. I am in the same boat with Greymist. I think he's a bad candidate for killing. Explain this please. Why is Greymist a bad candidate for killing? (or were you talking about someone else?) I already did. Greymist has posted EXTREMELY openly throughout this entire game. Do you see him lying anywhere or withholding info? Because I don't. Yes he wants to kill everyone, but Palmar does too as town, so I don't think this is a bad town strat. That last reason specifically makes me cringe
HAHAHA no man, he is just like Palmer, you want him on your team. Don't like GreY, Don't like Matt, Don't like anyone. HAve to trust somepeople I gues. Nova, Werebugs and Oby are town I think. Hoe they are green, Toad not posting much, don't understand that. WHy is hypno toad gone? Too reasonable this game, playing to live maybe?
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On July 02 2012 07:36 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 06:30 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:20 Oberyn wrote:On July 02 2012 06:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey so like I said in my drunken ramble yesterday, I will be flying to switzerland. Specifically, I will be boarding the plane in half an hour. So I'm turning posting over to my brother for the next day or two.
Ttfn fools! Before you go, would you agree with us attacking Greymist and Mattchew today? Ob, before you get ahead of yourself, shouldnt we get 1 lynch and confirmed flip before we start jumping to conclusions involving connections? Sadly that's not really how this game works (I've already explained why a while ago), at least not until some guy has very low health (for instance Greymist). Yes killing Greymist alone this cycle perhaps would be "good", since we'll take his flip into account and then see connections and stuff (depending on what he flips), but it will waste us 1 turn and lots of potential damage used on other players. ...I still don't know if perhaps we should be killing you first. Also, you have 20 HP, that's a lot. If we kill Grey alone and not attack you, then if we figure out you are scum it will be a bitch to kill you (my 8/8 beast will be gone once I die). Putting you at 10 or so HP would make it easier to deal with you depending on what Grey flips, wouldn't you think? At worst....scum waste their KP Beast on you at some point (which is not bad...let them waste KP on scummy people and not "obvious townies"). That's what I propose today: Kill Greymist, leave Mattchew with low health. Although I could be persuaded to do the opposite (kill Mattchew, leave Grey with low health). I'm not really sure. I don't see much downside in killing both today...I doubt both are town, and in the case both are scum/ one is scum it may prevent the WIFOM and stuff caused if we lynch one of them but let the other one (that's scum) survive. Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 06:35 strongandbig wrote:
I think it's unlikely that they're both scum, they're both experienced players and would presumably not both go with the "lurk and complain" strat.
I think it's 50-50 that one of the two of them is scum.
Request: don't put anyone at 12 or below without killing them. I don't want to give scum the chance to create more wifom and still get a kill by attacking someone other than you. Matt didn't do the "complain" strat, actually he was "open" and "agreeable" one. He agreed with the 8/8 beasts, and other stuff, and barely complained at all. Killing them both would net us 1 scum at least then? Show nested quote +Request: don't put anyone at 12 or below without killing them. I don't want to give scum the chance to create more wifom and still get a kill by attacking someone other than you. I disagree. If we put Mattchew and Grey and scummy people at below 12, then: 1)If we are every "very convinced" they are scum it will be easier to kill them (preferably on 1 turn) 2)If they are town, and scum decide to use their KP Beast on them....then they will not use their KP Beast on more useful townies or people that are making sense and are considered town by many (me, WBG, maybe Fulla, etc). The alternative means that they'll have 20 HP all game until we decide to kill him....and at that point we may have less townies left and less potential town damage to kill him (and it may take too many turns to do so). Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 06:37 GreYMisT wrote:On July 02 2012 06:30 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:20 Oberyn wrote:On July 02 2012 06:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey so like I said in my drunken ramble yesterday, I will be flying to switzerland. Specifically, I will be boarding the plane in half an hour. So I'm turning posting over to my brother for the next day or two.
Ttfn fools! Before you go, would you agree with us attacking Greymist and Mattchew today? Ob, before you get ahead of yourself, shouldnt we get 1 lynch and confirmed flip before we start jumping to conclusions involving connections? I'd be happy to die. I actually think that my flip will instigate those who needlessly defended me as the true mafia. ....which I guess you mean S&B and Mattchew? We don't need your flip (which would be town from your POV) to know that Mattchew is likely scum. Well..you are happy to die and I don't want to WIFOM myself on this one, so I guess, yeah, maybe you should die. Would you attack Mattchew with your beasts today at least? To GreymistI don't like that Necrotic Silver you have, which you can use to destroy one of the 8/8 beasts right before you die. Could you use his ability to destroy one of Zealos monster's so I know that you can't use it on one of the 8/8 beasts? I say you use it on Zeal's Ornimpothper (sp?). The reasoning is: -That creature has 0 power, so he's useless this game (it can't be used to deal damage to scum) -It's a creature that can only server for Zealos to block in later turns, and in late game players that can easily block attacks are very dangerous if they were to be scum -He already has another one, AND has a 0/3 wall as well, so it doesn't matter to him at all If you destroy someone else's monster you reduce potential town controlled damage. Even if you destroy one of Matt's monsters....we could force Matt to use one of his monsters to attack you for instance, which would still be town controlled damage. I wouldn't be opposed in you doing that though, just don't destroy a monster from someone else. Would you do this Grey? I'll give you some time to do it, if not I'll use Echoing Truth on your monster because I don't want to risk you killing one of the beasts later in the Attack Phase.
In all honesty Zealos and matt are secondary to how I now feel about S&B after thinking about it a lot.
Give me some time to think about that target, and I'll get back to you.
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On July 01 2012 15:09 Oberyn wrote:So yeah, take your pick:1)Nova and Greymist 2)Nova and Mattchew 3)Nova and Promethelax 4)Mattchew and Greymist If the real scumteam is not one of this, well I guess it means I suck but I hope I'm right. WBG and Fulla are very apparent town IMO, Zealos as well, and I'm getting more town vibes out of S&B lately (after rereading his filter).....although his "cases" seem so bad that no townie could possibly make them (he posted drunk ramblings so that's a plus, let's hope that heuristic doesn't fail me ) Today we should get some heavy damage reduction going, since we could only deal 3 damage last day and we are losing ground to scum, even if they didn't use their kill (because they can already kill someone next turn). Although now that I think about it we are not really that short of time, yes me+kita will probably die tomorrow...but after that scum will always need 2 turns to kill someone (until like 4 turns from now). We have lots of Town KP to distribute, and the fact that nobody can block makes it better. Hell you guys could even attack Zealos for all I want if you are so sure he's scum. If he does end up being scum him having 18 HP by late-game would suck; but I hope that's not the case.
Can we spread damage out? I still think everyone at 1 life is better for town than everyone at a million billion lfe. GerY said I was wrong and I listened but I don't trus t GYre now. Why is it better if everyone has a million lives and scum has no lives, scum won;t flip forever we don't have information forever townine atttacks townie and chaos rules. Need flips, need deaths need easy killed scum.
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On July 01 2012 15:17 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 15:14 GreYMisT wrote:On July 01 2012 15:11 Oberyn wrote:
How about the fact that now you don't think Zealos is scum out of a sudden and you never mentioned that again? You were tunneling Zealos since the beginning of D2 basically saying "He's obvious scum yet you are attacking me! You suck".
Now you just casually say S&B and Matt are scum and instantly drop the subject.
What's up with that? You dropped me as a subject for a period. I suppose I thought that I didnt have to keep saying in every post "Guys, zealos is scum". Apparently some of us need constant reminders. Also don't put words in my mouth. It makes you look bad. If you think S&B and Mattchew are scum.....then you think Zealos is town, that's the opposite of "dropping the "Guys, zealos is scum" subject for a period". When I "dropped you as a subject" I still thought of you as scum (I guess you mean before in D2). Stop antagonizing me, it makes you look bad
Can you two fucking stop this? Your as badd as VE and the real WBG together. LIke bag full of cats. If either of youis townie stop it, lets the insults roll this doesn't help us one single bit.
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