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Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
July 01 2012 06:18 GMT
#961
On July 01 2012 15:15 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 15:09 Oberyn wrote:
On July 01 2012 15:05 GreYMisT wrote:
On July 01 2012 14:52 Oberyn wrote:
On July 01 2012 14:35 GreYMisT wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:26 Oberyn wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Playing Mindlash sliver. don't worry, I won't be using his ability ever


On July 01 2012 08:22 Oberyn wrote:
On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons.

1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy
2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum
3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong

You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done.

On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam.



I want you to continue this idea Grey.


I have no idea what you are even asking by that.


I'm asking you to tell us why you think Mattchew is scum lol it's not that hard to comprehend.

Do you really want me to tunnel you again? *sigh* I don't get you Grey.


Anyways, you guys might be right about the night kills since I always misinterpret scum's intentions with it.

But scum not shooting Nova last night kind of equates scum not shooting Rad at night, at least from the context of this game, and that's what raises the red flags for me (also the fact that Nova disappeared for like 20 hours or so and went against "easy" players, like Fulla and Zealos.....although some things, like him backing off Fulla and him posting very openly about scum shooting him don't make me so sure).

I just want the night action to be a wake-up call to analyze Nova, hell he even stated so himself:

On June 30 2012 00:26 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also nobody should be worried im mafia unless i dont take damage tonight. Then you all should take a careful look at my filter in that slight chance.


I'm not actually that sure he's mafia (the tone of his post and the way he does don't really scream mafia to me), but I want to be sure...

...again, perhaps killing Mattchew would be the best choice today.


Whats there to say? he has made 0 impression on me this entire game. This usually is not a good sign in the "I'M TOWN" check box.


There's plenty to say, "He's scum" is one of them. Maybe posting specific reasons for that are other things to say.

What do you think of him being so overly protective of you? What do you think of him going against Zealos, then flip-flopping on his read of S&B (going from "town" to "let's kill him next day").
I dunno.

Who will you attack today Greymist?


This is what I said....In that post you quoted....I guess its too much to ask for me to not have to spell every. Single. Thing. Out.


Fuck it Greymist you are so annoying. I might as well kill you just because of it.
Arggg it's so frustrating trying to talk to you.
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
July 01 2012 06:19 GMT
#962
On July 01 2012 15:18 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 15:15 GreYMisT wrote:
On July 01 2012 15:09 Oberyn wrote:
On July 01 2012 15:05 GreYMisT wrote:
On July 01 2012 14:52 Oberyn wrote:
On July 01 2012 14:35 GreYMisT wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:26 Oberyn wrote:
On July 01 2012 09:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Playing Mindlash sliver. don't worry, I won't be using his ability ever


On July 01 2012 08:22 Oberyn wrote:
On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons.

1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy
2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum
3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong

You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done.

On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam.



I want you to continue this idea Grey.


I have no idea what you are even asking by that.


I'm asking you to tell us why you think Mattchew is scum lol it's not that hard to comprehend.

Do you really want me to tunnel you again? *sigh* I don't get you Grey.


Anyways, you guys might be right about the night kills since I always misinterpret scum's intentions with it.

But scum not shooting Nova last night kind of equates scum not shooting Rad at night, at least from the context of this game, and that's what raises the red flags for me (also the fact that Nova disappeared for like 20 hours or so and went against "easy" players, like Fulla and Zealos.....although some things, like him backing off Fulla and him posting very openly about scum shooting him don't make me so sure).

I just want the night action to be a wake-up call to analyze Nova, hell he even stated so himself:

On June 30 2012 00:26 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also nobody should be worried im mafia unless i dont take damage tonight. Then you all should take a careful look at my filter in that slight chance.


I'm not actually that sure he's mafia (the tone of his post and the way he does don't really scream mafia to me), but I want to be sure...

...again, perhaps killing Mattchew would be the best choice today.


Whats there to say? he has made 0 impression on me this entire game. This usually is not a good sign in the "I'M TOWN" check box.


There's plenty to say, "He's scum" is one of them. Maybe posting specific reasons for that are other things to say.

What do you think of him being so overly protective of you? What do you think of him going against Zealos, then flip-flopping on his read of S&B (going from "town" to "let's kill him next day").
I dunno.

Who will you attack today Greymist?


This is what I said....In that post you quoted....I guess its too much to ask for me to not have to spell every. Single. Thing. Out.


Fuck it Greymist you are so annoying. I might as well kill you just because of it.
Arggg it's so frustrating trying to talk to you.


And finally, I have made you believe what it is like for me this game
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
July 01 2012 06:21 GMT
#963
On July 01 2012 15:17 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 15:14 GreYMisT wrote:
On July 01 2012 15:11 Oberyn wrote:
How about the fact that now you don't think Zealos is scum out of a sudden and you never mentioned that again? You were tunneling Zealos since the beginning of D2 basically saying "He's obvious scum yet you are attacking me! You suck".
Now you just casually say S&B and Matt are scum and instantly drop the subject.

What's up with that?


You dropped me as a subject for a period.

I suppose I thought that I didnt have to keep saying in every post "Guys, zealos is scum". Apparently some of us need constant reminders.

Also don't put words in my mouth. It makes you look bad.



If you think S&B and Mattchew are scum.....then you think Zealos is town, that's the opposite of "dropping the "Guys, zealos is scum" subject for a period".
When I "dropped you as a subject" I still thought of you as scum (I guess you mean before in D2).

Show nested quote +
Also don't put words in my mouth. It makes you look bad


Stop antagonizing me, it makes you look bad


No, I still think zealos is scum. I attacked him Last night didnt I?

I just don't feel the need to say it with every post after I have made my point. That compounded with the fact that It would not matter even if I did have detered me for now.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
July 01 2012 06:22 GMT
#964
I'm Done for a while. Will be back eventually.
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Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
July 01 2012 06:29 GMT
#965
On July 01 2012 15:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 15:17 Oberyn wrote:
On July 01 2012 15:14 GreYMisT wrote:
On July 01 2012 15:11 Oberyn wrote:
How about the fact that now you don't think Zealos is scum out of a sudden and you never mentioned that again? You were tunneling Zealos since the beginning of D2 basically saying "He's obvious scum yet you are attacking me! You suck".
Now you just casually say S&B and Matt are scum and instantly drop the subject.

What's up with that?


You dropped me as a subject for a period.

I suppose I thought that I didnt have to keep saying in every post "Guys, zealos is scum". Apparently some of us need constant reminders.

Also don't put words in my mouth. It makes you look bad.



If you think S&B and Mattchew are scum.....then you think Zealos is town, that's the opposite of "dropping the "Guys, zealos is scum" subject for a period".
When I "dropped you as a subject" I still thought of you as scum (I guess you mean before in D2).

Also don't put words in my mouth. It makes you look bad


Stop antagonizing me, it makes you look bad


No, I still think zealos is scum. I attacked him Last night didnt I?

I just don't feel the need to say it with every post after I have made my point. That compounded with the fact that It would not matter even if I did have detered me for now.


On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons.

1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy
2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum
3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong

You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done.

On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam.


What is this I don't even...?


Please people, tell me I'm not the only one that feels like this about Greymist.
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 01 2012 06:36 GMT
#966
wow i have a lot of reading to do and its 2:30am... hopefully ill catch up tomorrow
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
July 01 2012 10:14 GMT
#967
On July 01 2012 03:04 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 02:54 strongandbig wrote:
On July 01 2012 02:30 Fulla wrote:
I'm a bit lost. Grey is acting very townie. By suggesting sacrifice himself to prove zeal is scum. On the other hand he could have simply been caught out and pretending obviously.

But Looking back through the thread he's been hounded as suspicious since day 1. For no real concrete reason a lot of assumptions here.

I think it should be pointed out that grey probably has the most powerful deck. A lot of us realized that and jumped on the lunch grey bandwagon me included. So is this out of fear and are we being manipulated by scum?

The question is if we kill grey and he flips town. Do we actually have any targets. Do we learn anything.

All we have is zeal who was lurking day 1 and has suddenly become very active.

Thoughts everyone?


We should kill zealos first.

Or rather, if these town beasts are going to be town controlled, we should have a vote tomorrow (during the main phase) for who they attack. We should do this during the main phase so that we know who the mafia monster attacks and can use that information.

Thoughts on the idea of having a vote?

The point of the "town beasts" was that they would be "town controlled," not controlled just by the judgement of oby and nova. As I said before I think that a vote is key because otherwise if either nova or oby is scum they will be able to wiggle out of attacking their partner by talking about "town sentiment" and cherry picking people who agree with them.


There you go again.

You know, there's the chance you are town and legitimately think Zealos is scum while Greymist not so much, but dude "protecting" Greymist like that doesn't make you look good at all (in my eyes).


Grey is not acting townie at all, in fact he reminds me of how Palmar plays as scum when he's found out (disappear, post sporadically if not at all, and "sacrificing" himself posting things like "once I flip town please look into X" and stuff like that)

S&B, I agree about the vote.....although to be honest I changed my mind about it (not that much):

I'll let these people control my beast with their vote:

-WBG
-Nova
-Promethelax
-Fulla
-Mattchew

So if those people put "##Vote: X" then I'll follow those, but I won't take into account votes from you, Grey or Zealos (Zealos just in case).

Of course that's if this "voting system" is implemented at all; if it's not I'll still take the opinion of those into account (the opinion of WBG/Prome/Nova more since I'm more sure they are town than Fulla/Mattchew).

Just got Internet and reading through 8 pages but I feel uncomfortable with mattchew on that list
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
July 01 2012 10:18 GMT
#968
On July 01 2012 19:14 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 03:04 Oberyn wrote:
On July 01 2012 02:54 strongandbig wrote:
On July 01 2012 02:30 Fulla wrote:
I'm a bit lost. Grey is acting very townie. By suggesting sacrifice himself to prove zeal is scum. On the other hand he could have simply been caught out and pretending obviously.

But Looking back through the thread he's been hounded as suspicious since day 1. For no real concrete reason a lot of assumptions here.

I think it should be pointed out that grey probably has the most powerful deck. A lot of us realized that and jumped on the lunch grey bandwagon me included. So is this out of fear and are we being manipulated by scum?

The question is if we kill grey and he flips town. Do we actually have any targets. Do we learn anything.

All we have is zeal who was lurking day 1 and has suddenly become very active.

Thoughts everyone?


We should kill zealos first.

Or rather, if these town beasts are going to be town controlled, we should have a vote tomorrow (during the main phase) for who they attack. We should do this during the main phase so that we know who the mafia monster attacks and can use that information.

Thoughts on the idea of having a vote?

The point of the "town beasts" was that they would be "town controlled," not controlled just by the judgement of oby and nova. As I said before I think that a vote is key because otherwise if either nova or oby is scum they will be able to wiggle out of attacking their partner by talking about "town sentiment" and cherry picking people who agree with them.


There you go again.

You know, there's the chance you are town and legitimately think Zealos is scum while Greymist not so much, but dude "protecting" Greymist like that doesn't make you look good at all (in my eyes).


Grey is not acting townie at all, in fact he reminds me of how Palmar plays as scum when he's found out (disappear, post sporadically if not at all, and "sacrificing" himself posting things like "once I flip town please look into X" and stuff like that)

S&B, I agree about the vote.....although to be honest I changed my mind about it (not that much):

I'll let these people control my beast with their vote:

-WBG
-Nova
-Promethelax
-Fulla
-Mattchew

So if those people put "##Vote: X" then I'll follow those, but I won't take into account votes from you, Grey or Zealos (Zealos just in case).

Of course that's if this "voting system" is implemented at all; if it's not I'll still take the opinion of those into account (the opinion of WBG/Prome/Nova more since I'm more sure they are town than Fulla/Mattchew).

Just got Internet and reading through 8 pages but I feel uncomfortable with mattchew on that list


lol don't worry about that keep reading
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
July 01 2012 10:23 GMT
#969
On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons.

1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy
2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum
3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong

You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done.

On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam.

I'm starting to agree with this ( the part about s&b and mattchew)
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
July 01 2012 10:27 GMT
#970
On July 01 2012 19:23 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons.

1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy
2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum
3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong

You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done.

On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam.

I'm starting to agree with this ( the part about s&b and mattchew)



You know....I like that.

People posting what they think of the thread "as they go by reading it" makes it very transparent of them.
If they just said "okay I'll read the thread", then wait a couple of hours before posting their thoughts, then if they were scum they could easily read the whole thread, capture all the events that happened, and think what the best response would be based on that (taking everything into account).

If they had to post "as they read it", then they take away that ability, and they may fuck up by saying something and then realizing they should have said something else; meaning they would most likely not do that at all...which means that the people that do it are more likely town.

So Nova, keep doing that to see your thought process (specially when the juicy stuff comes).
I realize you are not reading this (and reading the thread instead) so whatever.

However props to you for doing that, it makes me feel better about you for now (and that the whole no-night-kill was staged)
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
July 01 2012 10:56 GMT
#971
Are we still going to kill Greymist? If so what info will this bring us if he flips town?

Is Zealos considered completely town now then?
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
July 01 2012 11:23 GMT
#972
On July 01 2012 06:51 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 06:08 Oberyn wrote:
We could win the game next turn! Come on guys!



....damn I'm getting overexcited again


hmm is like we are missing something here.... oh yea that's right, if your wrong you lose the game next turn.
just thought i would bring that to light

Grey deserves a smack upside the head for this
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
July 01 2012 11:32 GMT
#973
On July 01 2012 07:52 Oberyn wrote:
Nah Fulla is town I think


Well, this lack of night kill made me extremely paranoid right now.
It seemed like something they planned, not that they "forgot". Even if Nova was town, they could have attacked WBG, or Prome, or someone else; but damn.



You know, this game is actually pretty easy now that I think about it, if we follow this:

Get everybody except me+another townie to like 2 HP.
After that, kill everybody except the townie.
Win

That's it, we only need to find 1 more townie (I think WBG is the most likely one) to win us the game.

The total HP of everybody except me and WBG is 114. If everybody is at 2 HP, that means we'd need 100 damage

We have 48 potential damage right now, and if we get 12 points of damage total with the new creatures in play, we can do that in 2 turns.

This turn, people summon creatures up to 12 power total, and use the 48 damage on everybody except me and WBG. We'd need 52 damage to get to the "ideal" situation above.
Next turn I die and lose 8 damage, dropping it to 40, however if we get at least creatures with 12 power total, we can deal 52 damage.
Next WBG gets hit for 14 points
However, the next turn everybody will be at 2 HP, and WBG will be at 14.
Everybody then just attack each other in a circle to take their 2 HP away, and WBG will be the sole survivor.
If WBG is town we win the game.


So yeah, we only need to find 1 townie to win this. I think WBG is most likely townie and the only one I'm not paranoid right now, so it can work with him.

The problem with this is that you die today oberyn T_T
Also I oppose any plan that banks on wbg being town, I'd prefer Fulla actually
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
July 01 2012 11:55 GMT
#974
On July 01 2012 09:17 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 08:51 WereBugs-Go wrote:
wtf happened? oO
Is this supposed to be some wifom because they couldn't kill gonzaw and didn't want to attack me / Nova because that'd confirm me or because it would confirm nova (either way lol)? I can't think of this being effective unless we screw up big time. I'd say either way, this is supposed to confuse us SOMEHOW.
Therefore I'd say we don't talk / think about that at all. Surely mafia wants us to talk / think about it for some reason. We're given a free circle. Let's use that circle without even getting into wifom.

If someone else already said something like that sorry. I'm just now catching up. Also I have to kill one of my monsters... I'm still not drawing lands and if I kill one I can draw to more cards.



I think there are 3 options:

1)Scum do want to confuse us and let us WIFOM about it.
They are not scared of Nova's beast (somehow) and don't think he's a threat to them, even though nobody is suspicious of Nova so they would HAVE to kill him at some point.
They wouldn't want to "confirm" other player (WBG/Prome/etc) by attacking him as well

2)Nova is scum. Because attacking someone else (WBG/Prome) would basically out Nova as scum (since everybody expected Nova to be attacked....well at least I think they did) because if scum decided to attack someone at all to reduce their HP it wouldn't make sense to NOT attack the guy that's "almost confirmed town" by everybody and has like 13 potential damage plus a card that can get him any creature he wants from his deck.

3)Scum were legitimately AFK throughout the whole night and forgot to send their kill,

I doubt (3) is the case, because everybody except Nova posted in the Attack phase, therefore at least 1 scum was active to send their kill.
Well..maybe the scum that was active didn't send that kill at that point for some reason, and then forgot about it. If that was the case then basically Grey/S&B/me/Zealos are confirmed town (if this was the case) and the scum would be a combination of Fulla/Nova/Prome/WBG/Mattchew.
However, Fulla/Prome posted as soon as the Day post went up, so if they were scum I think they would have been active 10 minutes earlier to send their mafia KP kill. So that would leave Nova/WBG/Mattchew as the scum.

The thing is that I'm afraid (2) is the case, why? Because I don't think (1) would have happened.
The only way that would have happened is if S&B/Grey/Mattchew/maybe Zealos were scum and they were desperate and decided to make a desperate action to try and introduce enough confusion to survive.
However if the scum aren't in the group of S&B/Grey/Mattchew/maybe Zealos then there would be almost no reason to not hit Nova IMO (or at least WBG or someone else).


If Nova was scum, it would make sense to not kill anybody and then say "Well scum were AFK/Scum were trying to confuse us lets forget about it" to try and save Nova's skin, which would have happened if S&B/Promethelax/Fulla were Nova's buddies (since those 3 were the first to try and divert attention to those subjects), or maybe even WBG (since he said that as well right now)..

So yeah, that night kill made me paranoid for those reasons. Even if (3) was the case, it would still mean Nova was most likely scum for instance (I doubt WBG was such a derp for forgetting to send his action, specially when he just showed up and could have sent his action 1 hour before showing up here)

Also the fact that nobody even mentioned this making Nova scum makes me even more paranoid
If scum decided to not attack to confuse us.....then surely they would have thought accusing Nova would confuse us further, right? So many people are trying to "bury" the night kill by saying things like "Let's not worry about it scum are confusing us let's forget about it and scumhunt!" that it doesn't seem the case.


I guess the best thing to do is wait for Nova to come and see what he does.

Hey gimme some credit, I'm not a total idiot as scum xD why would I disappear for 24+ hours which would make me the most suspicious dude in case of this?
There's a 4th option too. Scum did it for wifom, because they're freaking scared of me/my avatar. The play was designed to make YOU second guess me and to get someone to use the aether thing on me.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
July 01 2012 12:33 GMT
#975
On July 01 2012 19:27 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 19:23 Nova_Terra wrote:
On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons.

1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy
2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum
3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong

You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done.

On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam.

I'm starting to agree with this ( the part about s&b and mattchew)



You know....I like that.

People posting what they think of the thread "as they go by reading it" makes it very transparent of them.
If they just said "okay I'll read the thread", then wait a couple of hours before posting their thoughts, then if they were scum they could easily read the whole thread, capture all the events that happened, and think what the best response would be based on that (taking everything into account).

If they had to post "as they read it", then they take away that ability, and they may fuck up by saying something and then realizing they should have said something else; meaning they would most likely not do that at all...which means that the people that do it are more likely town.

So Nova, keep doing that to see your thought process (specially when the juicy stuff comes).
I realize you are not reading this (and reading the thread instead) so whatever.

However props to you for doing that, it makes me feel better about you for now (and that the whole no-night-kill was staged)

On June 28 2012 15:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also I thing sitting back and thinking about opinions is bullshit truthfully, opinions and thoughts should be stated as soon as they are thought of, they should be raw and unrefined and can be explained later. That's more chances for scum to slip up and townieness to shine. I still don't think that shitting up the threa is a bad thing unless there is endless filler.



Also zealos is town, no way he woulda told us to move past the night kill first as scum (at least if I'm town)
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
July 01 2012 12:34 GMT
#976
On July 01 2012 19:56 Fulla wrote:
Are we still going to kill Greymist? If so what info will this bring us if he flips town?

Is Zealos considered completely town now then?

Would prefer to kill mattchew first
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WereBugs-Go
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)172 Posts
July 01 2012 12:57 GMT
#977
Re and stop with this clusterfuck. The mafia not shooting was supposed to confuse us, as I already mentionend at least 3 times...
The only purpose of that was to cast doubt on us and therefore start the "maybe we should lynch someone else/someone else first" discussion. I'm going to attack Greymist this turn and I hope people do the same. The worst we can do is change everything we've got, because although we don't know why exactly mafia did not shoot we can be sure they did it for some reason. Therefore I'm not letting it influence me and I'll just do what I was going to do before that happened => attacking Greymist. Once he flipped red we can talk about what scenario makes sense and who could be the 2nd mafia.
If we have a guy or two who are most likely going to flip mafia and a shitton of other possible solutions for the 2nd mafia we "lynch" into the guy we're sure on, not the 2nd guy that might be mafia because it makes sense considering the connections between those two if the first is mafia. We're not lynching for "connections" unless we have a flip. It's simple as that.

Again Greymist, Kita and I are the vets in this game.
Lynching Grey makes sense from a mafia-Balance point of view.
Lynching Grey makes sense from a MTG-Balance point of view.
Lynching Grey makes sense from a "what happened in this game" point of view.
So even if you don't think he's more scummy than people like Zealos or Matt or whoever else this should be something to consider. If a guy like Grey is considered to be equally scummy like a guy like Zealos that's way more telling for Grey because he knows how to play the game and shouldn't be considered scummy in the first place unless of course there is a reason to appear scummy (like being scum for example?)

We're not lynching for stupid behavior unless we know the guy is smart. Greymist is smart and he's behaving completly anti-town. Now don't give me that "well would a mafia do that? I don't think so" shit because yeah a mafia would / could do that as well as a last resort of a defence and Greymist was under a lot of pressure from the very beginning. It started with a little pressure, reaction fishing and stuff from me d1 to see what's going to happen and to finally start a conversation but his answeres were so bad other people realized that as well, even before I started explaining what I did on d2.
Again, Greymist knows how to play mafia and he knows how to play MTG (apparently), yet he's the one guy that refused to do something at all. Sure Fulla and Zealos for example did the very same but as mentioned (I'm quoting myself here):
We're not lynching for stupid behavior unless we know the guy is smart.
and I can't be sure wether or not Fulla and Zealos are smart and know how to play mafia at all.
Greymist does know how to play the game and he completly refuses to do so.
Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
July 01 2012 12:59 GMT
#978
Well next turn Obe will most likely be 1shot killed by the big evil beast.

This will leave us with no extra clues?

So what's everyone's thoughts on what to do.
- Wait for the attack after that?
- Take a gamble now and kill someone?

Only 25% chance of hitting a scum. I really don't like these odds.

I most specifically like to hear thoughts from Grey, Stro and Matt!
A bit of peer pressure from the others asking them what they think our next move should be would be very helpful!!!
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WereBugs-Go
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)172 Posts
July 01 2012 13:03 GMT
#979
On July 01 2012 21:33 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 19:27 Oberyn wrote:
On July 01 2012 19:23 Nova_Terra wrote:
On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons.

1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy
2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum
3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong

You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done.

On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam.

I'm starting to agree with this ( the part about s&b and mattchew)



You know....I like that.

People posting what they think of the thread "as they go by reading it" makes it very transparent of them.
If they just said "okay I'll read the thread", then wait a couple of hours before posting their thoughts, then if they were scum they could easily read the whole thread, capture all the events that happened, and think what the best response would be based on that (taking everything into account).

If they had to post "as they read it", then they take away that ability, and they may fuck up by saying something and then realizing they should have said something else; meaning they would most likely not do that at all...which means that the people that do it are more likely town.

So Nova, keep doing that to see your thought process (specially when the juicy stuff comes).
I realize you are not reading this (and reading the thread instead) so whatever.

However props to you for doing that, it makes me feel better about you for now (and that the whole no-night-kill was staged)

Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 15:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also I thing sitting back and thinking about opinions is bullshit truthfully, opinions and thoughts should be stated as soon as they are thought of, they should be raw and unrefined and can be explained later. That's more chances for scum to slip up and townieness to shine. I still don't think that shitting up the threa is a bad thing unless there is endless filler.



Also zealos is town, no way he woulda told us to move past the night kill first as scum (at least if I'm town)

Are you talking about that post over here from page 47:
On July 01 2012 10:48 Zealos wrote:
I'm really inclined to say ignore the non-shot and continue as normal. Presuming the missing shot was deliberate, it was designed to cause chaos. Lets not let it.

Because I did this post on page 46:
On July 01 2012 08:51 WereBugs-Go wrote:
wtf happened? oO
Is this supposed to be some wifom because they couldn't kill gonzaw and didn't want to attack me / Nova because that'd confirm me or because it would confirm nova (either way lol)? I can't think of this being effective unless we screw up big time. I'd say either way, this is supposed to confuse us SOMEHOW.
Therefore I'd say we don't talk / think about that at all. Surely mafia wants us to talk / think about it for some reason. We're given a free circle. Let's use that circle without even getting into wifom.

If someone else already said something like that sorry. I'm just now catching up. Also I have to kill one of my monsters... I'm still not drawing lands and if I kill one I can draw to more cards.

Does your "I guess that confirms Zealos" argument still hold anything of value?
Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
July 01 2012 13:04 GMT
#980
@Were I am actually experienced in mafia and would say I'm good. That's up to you to decide ofcourse

Forum based is very to me thou. I can barely keep up with the amount obe posts let alone everyone else. When you play it online in real time it becomes 90% trolling and laying low to stay alive. I'm trying to adapt and speak more. Bare with me :-)
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