[T] MTG Mini Mafia - Page 47

On July 01 2012 08:51 WereBugs-Go wrote:
wtf happened? oO
Is this supposed to be some wifom because they couldn't kill gonzaw and didn't want to attack me / Nova because that'd confirm me or because it would confirm nova (either way lol)? I can't think of this being effective unless we screw up big time. I'd say either way, this is supposed to confuse us SOMEHOW.
Therefore I'd say we don't talk / think about that at all. Surely mafia wants us to talk / think about it for some reason. We're given a free circle. Let's use that circle without even getting into wifom.

If someone else already said something like that sorry. I'm just now catching up. Also I have to kill one of my monsters... I'm still not drawing lands and if I kill one I can draw to more cards.

On July 01 2012 09:13 WereBugs-Go wrote:
I'm about to sacrifice my spellbomb out of furstration to draw another card...

I'm having another anti-rogue 8/8-trample-thingie-card on my hand in case I get another land and we have the spellbomb from gonzaw. Thoughts?... I can't really do shit if I stay on 3 lands nonstop.

On July 01 2012 09:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Playing Mindlash sliver. don't worry, I won't be using his ability ever

On July 01 2012 08:22 Oberyn wrote:



I want you to continue this idea Grey.

On July 01 2012 09:18 Oberyn wrote:


Wait don't do anything yet.
What's that card you have? I don't really want you to sacrifice the "anti-rogue 8/8-trample-thingie-card" just now, in case Nova is actually scum.

On July 01 2012 09:35 Toadesstern wrote:

yeah that's the thing I'm considering right now...
I've got 2 more explanations as well, while one of them is pretty unlikely.

1) You are mafia. However I think mafia (including you in this case) would have shot nova in that case anyways and said something like "well they probably didn't shoot me [Obe] to kill me [Obe] in one hit the next cycle" (8+12 dmg rather than 8+10). Unless of course they want us to wifom. That's the one that I consider the most unlikely of all the explanations I can think of, although it's possible because frankly I don't think mafia would waste a hit like that when we'll still consider you scummy if you survive tomorrow.

2) It's a weird attempt to cause wifom to safe Greymist somehow like "see they didn't shoot WBG / Obe / Nova, there's GOT to be a mafia in there"

The problem here is as mentioned if they simply forgot it there is no info to be found anyways. If they did that on purpose they want us to discuss it for some reason but there's a lot of possible explanations. Some of those explanations would be acts of desperation (saving Greymist), some would mean they were not able to shoot into Nova / me because they feared that would give away information (shooting me when nova is the guy with an 8/8 trample thingie for example) and therefore makes one of our townreads mafia and some are just complete random.

On July 01 2012 09:35 Toadesstern wrote:

yeah that's the thing I'm considering right now...
I've got 2 more explanations as well, while one of them is pretty unlikely.

1) You are mafia. However I think mafia (including you in this case) would have shot nova in that case anyways and said something like "well they probably didn't shoot me [Obe] to kill me [Obe] in one hit the next cycle" (8+12 dmg rather than 8+10). Unless of course they want us to wifom. That's the one that I consider the most unlikely of all the explanations I can think of, although it's possible because frankly I don't think mafia would waste a hit like that when we'll still consider you scummy if you survive tomorrow.

2) It's a weird attempt to cause wifom to safe Greymist somehow like "see they didn't shoot WBG / Obe / Nova, there's GOT to be a mafia in there"

The problem here is as mentioned if they simply forgot it there is no info to be found anyways. If they did that on purpose they want us to discuss it for some reason but there's a lot of possible explanations. Some of those explanations would be acts of desperation (saving Greymist), some would mean they were not able to shoot into Nova / me because they feared that would give away information (shooting me when nova is the guy with an 8/8 trample thingie for example) and therefore makes one of our townreads mafia and some are just complete random.

2) It's a weird attempt to cause wifom to safe Greymist somehow like "see they didn't shoot WBG / Obe / Nova, there's GOT to be a mafia in there"

On July 01 2012 09:17 Oberyn wrote:



I think there are 3 options:

1)Scum do want to confuse us and let us WIFOM about it.
They are not scared of Nova's beast (somehow) and don't think he's a threat to them, even though nobody is suspicious of Nova so they would HAVE to kill him at some point.
They wouldn't want to "confirm" other player (WBG/Prome/etc) by attacking him as well

2)Nova is scum. Because attacking someone else (WBG/Prome) would basically out Nova as scum (since everybody expected Nova to be attacked....well at least I think they did) because if scum decided to attack someone at all to reduce their HP it wouldn't make sense to NOT attack the guy that's "almost confirmed town" by everybody and has like 13 potential damage plus a card that can get him any creature he wants from his deck.

3)Scum were legitimately AFK throughout the whole night and forgot to send their kill,

I doubt (3) is the case, because everybody except Nova posted in the Attack phase, therefore at least 1 scum was active to send their kill.
Well..maybe the scum that was active didn't send that kill at that point for some reason, and then forgot about it. If that was the case then basically Grey/S&B/me/Zealos are confirmed town (if this was the case) and the scum would be a combination of Fulla/Nova/Prome/WBG/Mattchew.
However, Fulla/Prome posted as soon as the Day post went up, so if they were scum I think they would have been active 10 minutes earlier to send their mafia KP kill. So that would leave Nova/WBG/Mattchew as the scum.

The thing is that I'm afraid (2) is the case, why? Because I don't think (1) would have happened.
The only way that would have happened is if S&B/Grey/Mattchew/maybe Zealos were scum and they were desperate and decided to make a desperate action to try and introduce enough confusion to survive.
However if the scum aren't in the group of S&B/Grey/Mattchew/maybe Zealos then there would be almost no reason to not hit Nova IMO (or at least WBG or someone else).


If Nova was scum, it would make sense to not kill anybody and then say "Well scum were AFK/Scum were trying to confuse us lets forget about it" to try and save Nova's skin, which would have happened if S&B/Promethelax/Fulla were Nova's buddies (since those 3 were the first to try and divert attention to those subjects), or maybe even WBG (since he said that as well right now)..

So yeah, that night kill made me paranoid for those reasons. Even if (3) was the case, it would still mean Nova was most likely scum for instance (I doubt WBG was such a derp for forgetting to send his action, specially when he just showed up and could have sent his action 1 hour before showing up here)

Also the fact that nobody even mentioned this making Nova scum makes me even more paranoid
If scum decided to not attack to confuse us.....then surely they would have thought accusing Nova would confuse us further, right? So many people are trying to "bury" the night kill by saying things like "Let's not worry about it scum are confusing us let's forget about it and scumhunt!" that it doesn't seem the case.


I guess the best thing to do is wait for Nova to come and see what he does.

On July 01 2012 09:43 Oberyn wrote:


If they forgot there's plenty of info...basically Nova/Matt/you are scum (for reasons I already said). Of course we can't know if they forgot or not until Post-Game...however I find it unlikely that this is the 1st mafia game in TL history where scum forgot to send their kill (I think), specially since most players are not uber noobs here

...oh yeah you forgot:

(6)Me and Nova are scumbuddies

>_> But I guess that means Nova is still scum



That falls under (1) in my case I think. Still, shooting Nova would be the safest choice for them no matter WHO is scum, since it gives town the least info because no matter who's scum they could have done it.

Well...I guess we can wait for Nova and Mattchew to show up, and for others to post their thoughts on Nova (if you reread his filter assuming any of Fulla/Zealos, or even Greymist/S&B are town he doesn't look very good)

On July 01 2012 09:46 strongandbig wrote:


I think you may be overestimating the strength of the 8/8 trampleyman. There are basically a million ways to get rid of one; I would be surprised if there were more than one or two players who don't have that ability, either on the board or in their hands. The trick is persuading everyone that they have a good reason for getting rid of it. So if mafia think they have a good excuse to kill off nova's trampler, they wouldn't be afraid of him.

I also want to make a few other mtg comments while I'm at it:

First: are you serious about skullclamp right now? That shit is banned for a reason (hint: it's amazingly, ridiculously good.)

Second: either greymist has had really bad luck in drawing slivers or his deck was balanced by Artanis pretty harshly, because any sliver deck with Cautery Sliver and this discard sliver in it is not something we should be all too afraid of. (I realize that the discard sliver can be very good in a deck built around it but it's not pumping up slivers in the normal way that I was afraid of at the start of the game.)

Third: I'm a little worried about a few of these decks that look like they're building towards large instant-win combos. Specifically, I'm referring to Zealos and Bugs. Zealos looks to be playing some kind of multi-color artifact-based combo deck, and bugs could be playing a "myr tribal deck" rather than a combo deck but that's not something I've really heard of before.

Personally, I would consider combo decks like tezzeret-based and myr incubator-based decks to be pretty anti-town for the same reason I don't like the "leave one townie alive" plan - I don't want to gamble the whole game on one player. Thoughts?

Hyaach just now forgot to send in a kill in Bastard Mafia 2. I doubt he was the first either, but this for sure wouldn't be the first.

On June 26 2012 21:36 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also I do not like the plan to all attack with everything. I may decide to block no matter what you decide to do, although I will probably be attacking someone I find scummy.
For turn 2, that is.

On June 29 2012 03:31 Nova_Terra wrote:
1. I'd be attacking Zealos preferably
2.

cause theres aether spellbombs and Obyren and myself are town

On June 30 2012 06:06 Nova_Terra wrote:

I will do this

On June 26 2012 11:30 Mattchew wrote:
Hey guys, sorry for inactivity. I am reading but I am confused as all hell trying to figure what is going on. I tried to look up Minor Nuisance but I couldn't find it. Did you tap my mountain?

On June 26 2012 21:39 Mattchew wrote:
I am trying to devise a plan that doesn't suck...

Anyone want to play 3 games of 1v1v1? We could rng the pairings

On June 28 2012 06:19 Mattchew wrote:
oberyn and werebugs i could just tap out for you guys... anyone opposed to this?

On June 28 2012 10:48 Mattchew wrote:
I'm down with 2 8/8s

On June 29 2012 09:38 Mattchew wrote:
oh and i gave 2 mana to oberyn

On June 30 2012 04:42 Mattchew wrote:

yeah this is who we need to kill.. literally admits to lurking and being afraid to post

On July 01 2012 07:36 Promethelax wrote:
I am so fucking confused. What is scum doing? Why not weaken someone since we'll wifom to no end and, if they attacked town, it could only help them.

I very glad about this new global card. Everyone has to make reads and do life damage to someone. I still think that Zealos seems scummy, though his posts have improved. GreY's posting has improved too but he has seemed really scummy up until now, I think that this is just good scum play and he is seizing his opportunity to look like one of us, if I'm wrong I am really sorry GreY. S+B seems a little up in the air to me at the moment, I have a null read on him and I wish I had something. Fulla and Matt please start posting more I can't stand lurkers.

I've just cast a Plains and plan on casting a creature as well, unless anyone says anything I will do that soon so that everyone has more information about what I am doing.

Gonzaw: I'd be much happier with you if you would lay off the spammy posting, I know that is what you do all the time but it would be nice to be able to catch up on the thread in less than an hour after I get off of work. I'd love to hear some reads from Kita and Marv who seem totally none-existent right now.

Toad: you are usually much more talkative, where is the hypno-toad we know and love? You are too quite for my tastes.

On July 01 2012 08:44 Promethelax wrote:


No he is saying why he personally wasn't attacked and what he said is true. We shouldn't focus on this no attack, scum clearly wants to distract us with it. We should actually work to find scum not work to find out why scum did something that seems so offbeat to us. I do look forward to reading the scum qt in the postgame so I can figure out what the hell they were thinking but for now it is enough to know that they want to mislead us with their lack of attack. We should move on and continue scum hunting.

On June 26 2012 09:35 Promethelax wrote:


If you did that you would be weakend by having less creatures on the field and less amna to use since next turn when you drop the creature you would have to tap mana to summon it that couldn't be used for something else.
Mafia will have to decide if the risk is worth it, just like any other game

Oberyn: I like pushing the lurkers my only thought on Matt is that he may still think that the game started two and a half hours ago, not 26.5. I know I thought that. I'm more worried about Zealos who has come into the thread and given us nothing to work with. Not very Townie.

I also don't like GreY's actions so far his repeated assumption that it is better to not attack each other. We need something concrete to get reads off of and an attack is the only way to do that.

Could we all take S+B's plan in cycle 2 and also all agree not to block? If we have that stated it will be an obvious scum tell if someone blocks as long as everyone has agreed to it first.

I still can't tell with Fulla, I'm getting a slightly red read but I am trying to remind myself that he is as new as I am and probably isn't totally prepared.

Fulla and Zealos: contribute more so that we know something about you.

So you know I'll be gone most of the night, out drinking. I'll try to come catch up and post again soon but no promises. I'm really sorry about this but it is unavoidable.

On June 28 2012 15:11 Nova_Terra wrote:
Hi,
I like sleep, apologies for not being here,
I revealed my avatar for 2 reasons: the threat of a large trample monster if someone spammed too many creatures or attacked me, and secondly the chance that some good situation like this could come up.
Of course, I have no objections to playing my avatar ( isn't he cute) as I would be in control of an 8/8 trampler. Obyren is town so that's fine too. My deck doesn't scale much from here so no reason to want to prolong my life by not playing it.
However, this will piss a couple of you off, but I will not agree to a vote as to what the avatars do, at least mine. Obyren can choose whatever he wants with his. Why? I currently value the opinions of some over others, for instance that of Obyren or wbg to prome's or s&b's. Is this more dangerous to the town? Not really, you still have multiple aether spell bombs out that I don't control, and I know they will be used if I do anything aside from intelligent from a town perspective. Then I die. Also there's the fact that mafia will hit me this next attack phase. As someone said, they're not leaving around anything stronger than the mafias own beast for the sake of calling wifom. I will be hit today, then one of Obyren or myself will die followed by the other unless I draw a certain card which will both buff my avatar and heal someone else.
So Obyren and I will only be around for another 3-4 turns tops.
For this turn I would want 1 avatar to attak grey and 1 to attack zealos. I think 1 of them is scum.

On June 29 2012 21:18 Nova_Terra wrote:

I don't have any creatures with heal abilities, and so my avatar of might move. I explained my reasoning for the AoM earlier. There isn't a chance in hell that as scum I would reveal an AoM because of this exact situation where I could be forced to use it for the town after that board card appeared. Gimme some credit xD
I do have a card that could/will prolong oberyns life for an extra turn, but with only 4 of them in my deck chances of it being drawn are slim.
I welcome this discussion, it's actually useful

On July 01 2012 10:48 Zealos wrote:
I'm really inclined to say ignore the non-shot and continue as normal. Presuming the missing shot was deliberate, it was designed to cause chaos. Lets not let it.

On July 01 2012 10:57 Oberyn wrote:


Okay, if you ignore the "non-shot", what do you think of Nova/Mattchew/Promethelax?

On July 01 2012 09:46 strongandbig wrote:


I think you may be overestimating the strength of the 8/8 trampleyman. There are basically a million ways to get rid of one; I would be surprised if there were more than one or two players who don't have that ability, either on the board or in their hands. The trick is persuading everyone that they have a good reason for getting rid of it. So if mafia think they have a good excuse to kill off nova's trampler, they wouldn't be afraid of him.

I also want to make a few other mtg comments while I'm at it:

First: are you serious about skullclamp right now? That shit is banned for a reason (hint: it's amazingly, ridiculously good.)

Second: either greymist has had really bad luck in drawing slivers or his deck was balanced by Artanis pretty harshly, because any sliver deck with Cautery Sliver and this discard sliver in it is not something we should be all too afraid of. (I realize that the discard sliver can be very good in a deck built around it but it's not pumping up slivers in the normal way that I was afraid of at the start of the game.)

Third: I'm a little worried about a few of these decks that look like they're building towards large instant-win combos. Specifically, I'm referring to Zealos and Bugs. Zealos looks to be playing some kind of multi-color artifact-based combo deck, and bugs could be playing a "myr tribal deck" rather than a combo deck but that's not something I've really heard of before.

Personally, I would consider combo decks like tezzeret-based and myr incubator-based decks to be pretty anti-town for the same reason I don't like the "leave one townie alive" plan - I don't want to gamble the whole game on one player. Thoughts?