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On July 01 2012 11:38 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 09:46 strongandbig wrote:On July 01 2012 09:17 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 08:51 WereBugs-Go wrote:
wtf happened? oO
Is this supposed to be some wifom because they couldn't kill gonzaw and didn't want to attack me / Nova because that'd confirm me or because it would confirm nova (either way lol)? I can't think of this being effective unless we screw up big time. I'd say either way, this is supposed to confuse us SOMEHOW.
Therefore I'd say we don't talk / think about that at all. Surely mafia wants us to talk / think about it for some reason. We're given a free circle. Let's use that circle without even getting into wifom.
If someone else already said something like that sorry. I'm just now catching up. Also I have to kill one of my monsters... I'm still not drawing lands and if I kill one I can draw to more cards.
I think there are 3 options: 1)Scum do want to confuse us and let us WIFOM about it. They are not scared of Nova's beast (somehow) and don't think he's a threat to them, even though nobody is suspicious of Nova so they would HAVE to kill him at some point. They wouldn't want to "confirm" other player (WBG/Prome/etc) by attacking him as well 2)Nova is scum. Because attacking someone else (WBG/Prome) would basically out Nova as scum (since everybody expected Nova to be attacked....well at least I think they did) because if scum decided to attack someone at all to reduce their HP it wouldn't make sense to NOT attack the guy that's "almost confirmed town" by everybody and has like 13 potential damage plus a card that can get him any creature he wants from his deck. 3)Scum were legitimately AFK throughout the whole night and forgot to send their kill, I doubt (3) is the case, because everybody except Nova posted in the Attack phase, therefore at least 1 scum was active to send their kill. Well.. maybe the scum that was active didn't send that kill at that point for some reason, and then forgot about it. If that was the case then basically Grey/S&B/me/Zealos are confirmed town (if this was the case) and the scum would be a combination of Fulla/Nova/Prome/WBG/Mattchew. However, Fulla/Prome posted as soon as the Day post went up, so if they were scum I think they would have been active 10 minutes earlier to send their mafia KP kill. So that would leave Nova/WBG/Mattchew as the scum. The thing is that I'm afraid (2) is the case, why? Because I don't think (1) would have happened. The only way that would have happened is if S&B/Grey/Mattchew/maybe Zealos were scum and they were desperate and decided to make a desperate action to try and introduce enough confusion to survive. However if the scum aren't in the group of S&B/Grey/Mattchew/maybe Zealos then there would be almost no reason to not hit Nova IMO (or at least WBG or someone else). If Nova was scum, it would make sense to not kill anybody and then say "Well scum were AFK/Scum were trying to confuse us lets forget about it" to try and save Nova's skin, which would have happened if S&B/Promethelax/Fulla were Nova's buddies (since those 3 were the first to try and divert attention to those subjects), or maybe even WBG (since he said that as well right now).. So yeah, that night kill made me paranoid for those reasons. Even if (3) was the case, it would still mean Nova was most likely scum for instance (I doubt WBG was such a derp for forgetting to send his action, specially when he just showed up and could have sent his action 1 hour before showing up here) Also the fact that nobody even mentioned this making Nova scum makes me even more paranoid If scum decided to not attack to confuse us.....then surely they would have thought accusing Nova would confuse us further, right? So many people are trying to "bury" the night kill by saying things like "Let's not worry about it scum are confusing us let's forget about it and scumhunt!" that it doesn't seem the case. I guess the best thing to do is wait for Nova to come and see what he does. I think you may be overestimating the strength of the 8/8 trampleyman. There are basically a million ways to get rid of one; I would be surprised if there were more than one or two players who don't have that ability, either on the board or in their hands. The trick is persuading everyone that they have a good reason for getting rid of it. So if mafia think they have a good excuse to kill off nova's trampler, they wouldn't be afraid of him. I also want to make a few other mtg comments while I'm at it: First: are you serious about skullclamp right now? That shit is banned for a reason (hint: it's amazingly, ridiculously good.) Second: either greymist has had really bad luck in drawing slivers or his deck was balanced by Artanis pretty harshly, because any sliver deck with Cautery Sliver and this discard sliver in it is not something we should be all too afraid of. (I realize that the discard sliver can be very good in a deck built around it but it's not pumping up slivers in the normal way that I was afraid of at the start of the game.) Third: I'm a little worried about a few of these decks that look like they're building towards large instant-win combos. Specifically, I'm referring to Zealos and Bugs. Zealos looks to be playing some kind of multi-color artifact-based combo deck, and bugs could be playing a "myr tribal deck" rather than a combo deck but that's not something I've really heard of before. Personally, I would consider combo decks like tezzeret-based and myr incubator-based decks to be pretty anti-town for the same reason I don't like the "leave one townie alive" plan - I don't want to gamble the whole game on one player. Thoughts? I am an insta win deck for 1v1 I suppose. I cast a ton on one turn then use tendrils to dish a ton of damage to one player. Like I said earlier, I am basically a one shot vig, I just fucked up at the start of the game casting the artifacts.
How does your deck work?
Do those useless 0/2 creatures do something else?
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PRE-POST ANNOUNCEMENT I HAVE DRANK SEVERAL TEQUILA
1. Lol zealos your deck is terrible. I thought it might be a storm deck but it's not brain freeze it's tendrils lol, zero cost artifacts trololololololol
2. I guess that's how the decks were balanced they're all terrible for this format I mean zombies? Not well thought out imo.
3. IM TOWN YOU MORONS WTF ALSO WHERE THE FUCKITYFUCK IS MARVELOCITY
4. PROMETHELAX IS PROBABLY TOWN BROS I think he just got a little intimidated when I yelled at him and I don't think there' s much else to say he's scum
5. GREYMIST WHAT THE FUCK i think you might be town now but why did you give up like that if gonzaw is being annoying just yell at him a lot like i did it feels great.
6. ZEALOS! SCUM!! why dont you guys realize a guy who doesnt give a shit about anything about keeping himself alive is probably scum? Like seriously what else could he do that makes you scum I love that gonzaw is giving him a pass because of his stupid "gut read" plus tunelling me.
7. tooooooaaaadddddd your deck is weird and scary what does it do does it have a myr incubator or something else scary? skullclamp is sooooo scary because of how good it is in combo decks.
8. greymist im sorry you had to play with cautery sliver its soooooooooo baaaaaddd.
9. I have a card i reallllly want to play but i'm afraid people will yell at me but it will let me keep town alive if gonzaw/nova/greymist turns out to be scum so i think i should play it what should i do
10. im going to switzerland tomorrow so i can move my experiment to CERN where we can catch antiprotons but that means im going to be gone for about 24 hours but you fools are all going to yell at me again wtffff i'll have to post my plane ticket again like i did that one time in holy roman mafia but fuck you you are lame anyway my brother can post.
11. gonzaw i think you are like 50% scum because of what i said above but zealos is super scum imo.
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for number 6 i mean "anything but keeping himself alive" not the other thing i said.
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On July 01 2012 12:47 strongandbig wrote:
11. gonzaw i think you are like 50% scum because of what i said above but zealos is super scum imo.
lol
I seriously can't see why you guys think Zealos is scum. He's right, you guys (you+Greymist+Matt and other people) are thinking of him as "confirmed scum" just as I thought of Grey as "confirmed scum".
At least you don't see Zealos posting "lolol fuck the world I'll play on my own I don't care" like Greymist did, and he's under the same amount or even more pressure than him.
Like, he's even here, active, posting shit without hesitation and seems to post "on his own" (rather than feel forced because he's scum) and stuff.
Like he actively interacts with people, and that's something scum rarely do. Scum most likely post on their own just to post....and wait. If someone else makes a post they can use to appear active or push a scum agenda they respond, and if someone expects a response from them they do as well, but they rarely take an eager approach to interact with people regarding matters that could expose them (about reads, cases, things to do with mafia and shit). At least that's the impression I get when I read his posts.
Maybe he's "obvious mafia" and I'm an idiot or something and Ace is shouting at me "It's so obvious, keep it simple!!!" or something 
Also, I guess you are townie since only townies do drunk outbursts (I have seen like 5> of them and all were made by townies, including mine), it's a nice heuristic.
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BUT GONZAW IF ZEALOS WAS TOWN WHY WOULD HE LITERALLY ONLY BE POSTING ABOUT HIMSELF townies need t try to find scum instead of trying jsut to say why the cases against them make people scummy
idk mayber im wrong which is why I WISH MARVELOSITY WAS HERE BECAUSE I TRUST HIS ANALYSIS although he could be scum too
TOAD DO YOU THINK ZEALOS IS TOWN OR SCUM PLEASE TELL ME idk whether i trust your analysis as much as marvelosity's because he's cool and awesome and you're cool but not awesome but
I WANT TO KNOW WHETHR OR NOT IM FUCKING CRAZY
like, can there sometimes be townies who do what zealos is doing and don'tpost about anything except themselves? Is it just that he doesn't give a fuck and is MrZentoring the fuck out of this game? But if someone really doesnt give a fuck why would they try so hard to keep from having cases against them I JUST DONT GET IT
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On July 01 2012 13:08 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 12:47 strongandbig wrote:
11. gonzaw i think you are like 50% scum because of what i said above but zealos is super scum imo. lol I seriously can't see why you guys think Zealos is scum. He's right, you guys (you+Greymist+Matt and other people) are thinking of him as "confirmed scum" just as I thought of Grey as "confirmed scum". At least you don't see Zealos posting "lolol fuck the world I'll play on my own I don't care" like Greymist did, and he's under the same amount or even more pressure than him. Like, he's even here, active, posting shit without hesitation and seems to post "on his own" (rather than feel forced because he's scum) and stuff. Like he actively interacts with people, and that's something scum rarely do. Scum most likely post on their own just to post....and wait. If someone else makes a post they can use to appear active or push a scum agenda they respond, and if someone expects a response from them they do as well, but they rarely take an eager approach to interact with people regarding matters that could expose them (about reads, cases, things to do with mafia and shit). At least that's the impression I get when I read his posts. Maybe he's "obvious mafia" and I'm an idiot or something and Ace is shouting at me "It's so obvious, keep it simple!!!" or something Also, I guess you are townie since only townies do drunk outbursts (I have seen like 5> of them and all were made by townies, including mine), it's a nice heuristic.
if ace is the one doing the shouting you should be worried about it, because he's like always scum
but i think you mean ace in his "i'm a mafia veteran and i do a lot of postgame analysis so listen to me" role not Ace in his in-game role in which case I think he would be shouting that but maybe I'm wrong.
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On July 01 2012 13:36 strongandbig wrote:
BUT GONZAW IF ZEALOS WAS TOWN WHY WOULD HE LITERALLY ONLY BE POSTING ABOUT HIMSELF townies need t try to find scum instead of trying jsut to say why the cases against them make people scummy
idk mayber im wrong which is why I WISH MARVELOSITY WAS HERE BECAUSE I TRUST HIS ANALYSIS although he could be scum too
TOAD DO YOU THINK ZEALOS IS TOWN OR SCUM PLEASE TELL ME idk whether i trust your analysis as much as marvelosity's because he's cool and awesome and you're cool but not awesome but
I WANT TO KNOW WHETHR OR NOT IM FUCKING CRAZY
like, can there sometimes be townies who do what zealos is doing and don'tpost about anything except themselves? Is it just that he doesn't give a fuck and is MrZentoring the fuck out of this game? But if someone really doesnt give a fuck why would they try so hard to keep from having cases against them I JUST DONT GET IT
He did some scumhunting, at least about you, here:
On June 30 2012 08:06 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 07:58 strongandbig wrote:
So what that all sounds like to me is you admitting to not trying to help town and being too lazy to care unless it looks like you are going to die.
A couple specifics:
1. Why would you not try and convince everyone you're town, instead of just saying "you think I'm scum? Whl screw yourplan to help town!"
3. I'm glad you have a reason now, why didn't you post it before - and if you just couldn't be bothered to, why did you hypocritically go on the offensive when someone else disagreed without giving a reason?
6. How about this - you've made it clear you think I'm scum. Can you give any reasons for that which aren't related to my case against you? Your relationship with Grey is weird. It's like you acknoledge he's scum, then avoid talking about him at all costs. Also, I fail to see why using your case against me is a bad thing. It's clearly not a well thought through case, and even when town start turning against you, you continue to use the same arguments. It's tunneling taken to an extreme. As for: 1. How do you "convince people" you're town when the only case against you is based on inactivity lol. Yelling with my hands in the air that I'm town won't change anything. 3. Because it wasn't important, and going "on the offensive" as in asking someone why they disagreed with me without any reason..... You're being very hypocritical yourself ironically.
On July 01 2012 05:07 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 04:44 strongandbig wrote:
Like me, Greymist is playing as a hydra with his little brother. For both of us, we were trying to get our brothers into this TL mafia thing we enjoy so much with a cool themed game. Can you imagine how incredibly frustrating it is to have put a lot on the line like that and then spend the whole game not being able to actually play and find scum becaus you're constantly on the defensive? Especially when you're on the defensive from one person who isn't actually engaging your arguments but who has just written you off as practically confirmed scum? Woah. What the heck? o.O I'm gonna do a slow dramatic zoom: Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 04:44 strongandbig wrote:
Can you imagine how incredibly frustrating it is to have put a lot on the line like that and then spend the whole game not being able to actually play and find scum becaus you're constantly on the defensive? Especially when you're on the defensive from one person who isn't actually engaging your arguments but who has just written you off as practically confirmed scum? Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 04:44 strongandbig wrote:
Especially when you're on the defensive from one person who isn't actually engaging your arguments but who has just written you off as practically confirmed scum? Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 04:44 strongandbig wrote:
written you off as practically confirmed scum? Ok, seriously now. This strikes me as very mafia. We had suspicion of you because of the Grey thing. However, the way that you responded to us led to you seeming more and more scummy as time went by. However, saying we called your practically "confirmed scum" and seeming to give up is a very "I'll try and sound dramatic to sway town"ish thing to say. I can't really pinpoint it exactly, but it I never "confirmed" strong as scum. You've just been digging yourself deeper and deeper as time goes by and this just seems a very mafia thing to make. It's like this sweeping generic statement. I dunno, maybe its just me.
The way I see it, he seemed to "go with the flow" or something when posting. He didn't explicitly state his reads, but I think he basically agreed with me in most of them and assumed that before posting.
I guess that doesn't make him town......but hey! He could have just been frustrated townie!
Next let me explain a bit more what I think about Zealos. I know whatever I say I'm either going to be accused of "soft defending" or "distancing," so I'm going to go the whole fucking nine yards and do an analysis on his filter.
I reread his filter and noticed that he's been on the defensive ever since you started attacking him for his "scumslip" post
So I think your case may be valid but it's nowhere near as strong as you act. Your case boils down to "guys he has been inactive, then suddenly becoming active but he hasn't shared his opinion on things and just cares about staying alive".
Well, about his whole filter is taken up by defending himself against attacks that are dumb, so I consider that a mitigating circumstance. HOWEVER, I also don't think he's done nearly enough to establish himself as town (other than the tone of his posts), rather than just get frustrated at the fact that the attacks were stupid.
Can you imagine how incredibly frustrating it is to have put a lot on the line like that and then spend the whole game not being able to actually play and find scum because you're constantly on the defensive? Especially when you're on the defensive from one person who isn't actually engaging your arguments but who has just written you off as practically confirmed scum?
So I can empathize with Zealos from a town point of view. I think his posts are just representative of him giving up on trying to persuade you your case is wrong
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On July 01 2012 13:08 Oberyn wrote:
If someone else makes a post they can use to appear active or push a scum agenda they respond, and if someone expects a response from them they do as well, but they rarely take an eager approach to interact with people regarding matters that could expose them (about reads, cases, things to do with mafia and shit). At least that's the impression I get when I read his posts.
this is kinda true but the problem is that just because he doesn't post like a normal scum man doesnt mean he is town
im going to have to actually do meta analysis maybe? ugh because meta analysis is dumb but maybe he really doesn't ever post about anything but himself but if he really does do that as town he should just stop playing mafia because he isn't trying
do you hear that zealos if you are actually town and you don't post about anything about yourself you should either start trying harder or stop playing mafia
gonzaw the thing is even when i specifically asked him to post something about me that wasnt related to the case against him all he posted was parroting one of your points in really really generic terms. I seriously think he doesnt care about anything about cases against himself. Maybe he's scum and he's just not posting like normal scum because he's like one of the main targets and there's a realistic chance of him dying? the kind of scum i think youre talking about is the slippery ace kind of scum but there are also scum who actively defend themselves i think but i think zealos is scum because his mindset is all about himself even though he is being active.
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On July 01 2012 09:26 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 09:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Playing Mindlash sliver. don't worry, I won't be using his ability ever Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:22 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons.
1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy
2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum
3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong
You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done.
On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam. I want you to continue this idea Grey.
I have no idea what you are even asking by that.
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On July 01 2012 10:48 Zealos wrote:
I'm really inclined to say ignore the non-shot and continue as normal. Presuming the missing shot was deliberate, it was designed to cause chaos. Lets not let it.
This man is correct.
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On July 01 2012 14:35 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 09:26 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 09:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Playing Mindlash sliver. don't worry, I won't be using his ability ever On July 01 2012 08:22 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons.
1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy
2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum
3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong
You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done.
On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam. I want you to continue this idea Grey. I have no idea what you are even asking by that.
I'm asking you to tell us why you think Mattchew is scum lol it's not that hard to comprehend.
Do you really want me to tunnel you again? *sigh* I don't get you Grey.
Anyways, you guys might be right about the night kills since I always misinterpret scum's intentions with it.
But scum not shooting Nova last night kind of equates scum not shooting Rad at night, at least from the context of this game, and that's what raises the red flags for me (also the fact that Nova disappeared for like 20 hours or so and went against "easy" players, like Fulla and Zealos.....although some things, like him backing off Fulla and him posting very openly about scum shooting him don't make me so sure).
I just want the night action to be a wake-up call to analyze Nova, hell he even stated so himself:
On June 30 2012 00:26 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also nobody should be worried im mafia unless i dont take damage tonight. Then you all should take a careful look at my filter in that slight chance.
I'm not actually that sure he's mafia (the tone of his post and the way he does don't really scream mafia to me), but I want to be sure...
...again, perhaps killing Mattchew would be the best choice today.
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Seriously Grey the only thing you are doing is making it impossible for me (and most people) to read you, good job on that.
Also I think kita wants you dead as well....but he said he was rereading the thread so he might change his mind (he'll post tomorrow I think)
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Hmm Grey, you are actually making me consider a 4th possible scumteam:
4)Mattchew and Grey
The fact that you just casually mention Matt as scum but don't say anything else about him even when prodded, just when you were so eager to tell me why S&B was scum instead make me think of this as a possibility.
Not only that but also the fact he basically soft-defended you the whole game for shitty reasons:
On June 28 2012 05:22 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 05:10 WereBugs-Go wrote:
I'd be happy to attack Zealos or Greymist in general. I'd like to give people like Fulla more time right now. There's no point in attacking that guy right now and basicly the isssue with him is "dude does nothing at all" while I consider having the same read for Greymist and Zealos. However, I know that Greymist and Zealos are capable of doing otherwise. I don't know if that's the case for Fulla.
If we want to attack Zealos we need to come up with some plan because he has a shitton of stuff to block. Why Greymist? That seems like an awful idea
On June 29 2012 04:59 Mattchew wrote:
I don't want to attack Greymist, I think he's posted logically and has been pretty open and honest with the thread. This fear of his deck being OP is only if he's scum which is weak.
I would much rather run at zealos or even fulla or MAYBE WereBugs-Go
On June 30 2012 05:40 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 05:36 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 05:15 strongandbig wrote:On June 30 2012 05:01 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 04:49 strongandbig wrote:On June 30 2012 04:47 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 04:36 GreYMisT wrote:
I honestly just don't care anymore. My new plan this game is to get so powerful that no one can stop me, and then systematically kill everyone who annoys me and be the last one standing. Bound to be mafia somewhere in there. I'm already there, and you kind of annoy me this game so I'll take your own advice. What is your opinion on my case against Zealos's filter? You still haven't told me why you would attack Zealos instead of Greymist. Hell even the "his deck is the strongest" argument works in favour of you attacking Grey. I can't say I disagree with your "case", he did lurk, not contribute and kind of flip-flop with some ideas (about the deck-revealing plan, about "helping town"). But I got a gut town read on him. His reactions seemed legit to me, for instance this: On June 30 2012 01:00 Zealos wrote:On June 30 2012 00:49 Oberyn wrote:
@Zealos: I can already summon the 8/8 beast without your help, you giving me mana will only make me able to cast the Spellbomb.
Do you agree about me being able to use the Spellbomb or not? That's what you will be doing by giving me mana, so think about it By this logic I suppose I may as well give you mana. I'm also happy with your choice of attack in S&B, your logic makes sense. I'll give you my swamp mana (Only have the one unfortunately.) On June 30 2012 01:53 Zealos wrote:
This is a mess. I'm gonna have to have a good read before committing my mana anywhere. On June 30 2012 01:55 Zealos wrote:
Ok, no, Grey's points against Ob were bad, and his random new case seemed desperate. Giving all 3 mana to you Ob, that what you need? You may say he's "flip-flopping" and that actually makes him scum. But there would be no reason for him as scum to do this, since it happened in a short period of time and there was no significant event in between. That seemed to me more like a confused townie changing his mind over and over because of frustration and shit (I've done it many times as town). To me it seems more like a lurking scum who realized that he might actually die, and who was therefore in a hurry to stop seeming lurky. On June 30 2012 04:36 Oberyn wrote:
Also, if he was planning on giving me 3 mana as scum, I don't think he would have done it the way he did it (in a rush, in the heat of the moment, etc). Scum don't play in the heat of the moment, they stay back, plan, wait and then post when necessary.
His posts didn't seem like that.
He gave you mana as soon as you said you would attack me. I think he did it in a rush to seem towny as soon as it was "safe" for him. On June 30 2012 04:36 Oberyn wrote:
Those "small" things make me have a gut town read on him.
He's also being the target of absolutely everybody and there's 0% opposition to his "lynch", even when I propose alternatives (you or Grey); which raises red flags since if he was scum him+the other scum would have been all over a Grey "lynch" since I proposed it, he wouldn't have called Grey out 1 hour ago, but before.
Also EVERYBODY called him scum, so he HAS to attack someone that attacked him by definition (he isn't attacking Prome, WBG nor Fulla for instance, and all of them FoSed Zealos).
Yes but he never actually did any ANALYSIS!!! I've made this point THREE TIMES and you CONTINUE to ignore it. His only reasoning for the attacks on me, nova, and GM were because of our cases against HIM, not because of our actions in the game. It's like he only actually cares about discrediting our cases against him. Oh wait does that sound like scum other Barry? YES IT DOES. On June 30 2012 04:36 Oberyn wrote:
The fact that I agree with his scumreads (you+Grey) help him a little bit. Oh nice to have that cleared up. Gee I wonder why his scumreads happen to agree with the most aggressive and vocal player in the thread, who's shown that he reacts badly to being disagreed with. (it's because he's scum) You are reacting like scum right now, you know that right? Look at the tone of your post: Yes but he never actually did any ANALYSIS!!! I've made this point THREE TIMES and you CONTINUE to ignore it. His only reasoning for the attacks on me, nova, and GM were because of our cases against HIM, not because of our actions in the game. It's like he only actually cares about discrediting our cases against him. Oh wait does that sound like scum other Barry? YES IT DOES. Oh nice to have that cleared up. Gee I wonder why his scumreads happen to agree with the most aggressive and vocal player in the thread, who's shown that he reacts badly to being disagreed with. (it's because he's scum) There's nothing that would make you change your tone/attitude like that, nothing. I didn't directly accuse you in that post, wasn't aggressive, nor condescending, nor insulting, nor "dense", nothing; I just stated why I got a gut town read on Zealos and now you are all over the place out of a sudden. You know I don't really want to defend Zealos but you give me no choice: To me it seems more like a lurking scum who realized that he might actually die, and who was therefore in a hurry to stop seeming lurky. What the...? What? How does that make sense? He flip-flopped on giving me mana because he "was in a hurry to stop seeming lurky"? wtf? He gave you mana as soon as you said you would attack me. I think he did it in a rush to seem towny as soon as it was "safe" for him. (First of all, I guess he meant "Greymist" and not "S&B" there, since I didn't actually say I would attack you then) I planned on attacking Greymist since like D1, why wouldn't he "rush" to that before? Yes, he didn't make any analysis...that doesn't automatically make him scum, it only makes him harder to read. Yes, he's "scummy", yes he "doesn't contribute", yes he "has a chance of being mafia". However his attitude seems townie IMO (certainly not like in LV where he was basically saying "oh can someone please tell me what to do?" and shit). Also S&B... You still haven't told me why you would attack Zealos instead of GreymistDo I have to use force or something to get that out of you? On June 30 2012 05:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 30 2012 05:19 Oberyn wrote:
Also is there a way to mark which monsters have summon sickness and which ones don't (in the board)? I already forgot who summoned what this turn >_> Just did. The (SS) behind the creatures does not mean they were part of the wrong party some 70 years ago but rather that they have summoning sickness. I was thinking more of coloring them red (for instance) or something, that way it's more noticeable.
(for instance I don't know if the (SS) refers to the creature to the left or to the right)
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>_>
You know, just leave it to me I'll update the Board myself  @Mattchew: I see you wandering around here without discussing too much. What do you think of Greymist and S&B? Town and Town. I think somewhere in zealos/full/were is scum
On June 30 2012 08:07 Mattchew wrote:
The reason i suggested that is because I have a scum read on zealos and I don't think he would be bussing his teammate this early. I could be wrong about Zealos and S&B and then I will admit stupidity and then sheep ob and zeal, but I doubt I will have to do this. I am in the same boat with Greymist. I think he's a bad candidate for killing.
On June 30 2012 08:19 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 08:14 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 08:07 Mattchew wrote:
The reason i suggested that is because I have a scum read on zealos and I don't think he would be bussing his teammate this early. I could be wrong about Zealos and S&B and then I will admit stupidity and then sheep ob and zeal, but I doubt I will have to do this. I am in the same boat with Greymist. I think he's a bad candidate for killing. Explain this please. Why is Greymist a bad candidate for killing? (or were you talking about someone else?) I already did. Greymist has posted EXTREMELY openly throughout this entire game. Do you see him lying anywhere or withholding info? Because I don't. Yes he wants to kill everyone, but Palmar does too as town, so I don't think this is a bad town strat.
That last reason specifically makes me cringe
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On July 01 2012 14:52 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 14:35 GreYMisT wrote:On July 01 2012 09:26 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 09:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Playing Mindlash sliver. don't worry, I won't be using his ability ever On July 01 2012 08:22 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons.
1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy
2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum
3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong
You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done.
On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam. I want you to continue this idea Grey. I have no idea what you are even asking by that. I'm asking you to tell us why you think Mattchew is scum lol it's not that hard to comprehend. Do you really want me to tunnel you again? *sigh* I don't get you Grey. Anyways, you guys might be right about the night kills since I always misinterpret scum's intentions with it. But scum not shooting Nova last night kind of equates scum not shooting Rad at night, at least from the context of this game, and that's what raises the red flags for me (also the fact that Nova disappeared for like 20 hours or so and went against "easy" players, like Fulla and Zealos.....although some things, like him backing off Fulla and him posting very openly about scum shooting him don't make me so sure). I just want the night action to be a wake-up call to analyze Nova, hell he even stated so himself: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 00:26 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also nobody should be worried im mafia unless i dont take damage tonight. Then you all should take a careful look at my filter in that slight chance. I'm not actually that sure he's mafia (the tone of his post and the way he does don't really scream mafia to me), but I want to be sure... ...again, perhaps killing Mattchew would be the best choice today.
Whats there to say? he has made 0 impression on me this entire game. This usually is not a good sign in the "I'M TOWN" check box.
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So yeah, take your pick:
1)Nova and Greymist
2)Nova and Mattchew
3)Nova and Promethelax
4)Mattchew and Greymist
If the real scumteam is not one of this, well I guess it means I suck but I hope I'm right.
WBG and Fulla are very apparent town IMO, Zealos as well, and I'm getting more town vibes out of S&B lately (after rereading his filter).....although his "cases" seem so bad that no townie could possibly make them (he posted drunk ramblings so that's a plus, let's hope that heuristic doesn't fail me )
Today we should get some heavy damage reduction going, since we could only deal 3 damage last day and we are losing ground to scum, even if they didn't use their kill (because they can already kill someone next turn).
Although now that I think about it we are not really that short of time, yes me+kita will probably die tomorrow...but after that scum will always need 2 turns to kill someone (until like 4 turns from now).
We have lots of Town KP to distribute, and the fact that nobody can block makes it better. Hell you guys could even attack Zealos for all I want if you are so sure he's scum. If he does end up being scum him having 18 HP by late-game would suck; but I hope that's not the case.
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On July 01 2012 15:05 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 14:52 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 14:35 GreYMisT wrote:On July 01 2012 09:26 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 09:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Playing Mindlash sliver. don't worry, I won't be using his ability ever On July 01 2012 08:22 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons.
1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy
2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum
3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong
You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done.
On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam. I want you to continue this idea Grey. I have no idea what you are even asking by that. I'm asking you to tell us why you think Mattchew is scum lol it's not that hard to comprehend. Do you really want me to tunnel you again? *sigh* I don't get you Grey. Anyways, you guys might be right about the night kills since I always misinterpret scum's intentions with it. But scum not shooting Nova last night kind of equates scum not shooting Rad at night, at least from the context of this game, and that's what raises the red flags for me (also the fact that Nova disappeared for like 20 hours or so and went against "easy" players, like Fulla and Zealos.....although some things, like him backing off Fulla and him posting very openly about scum shooting him don't make me so sure). I just want the night action to be a wake-up call to analyze Nova, hell he even stated so himself: On June 30 2012 00:26 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also nobody should be worried im mafia unless i dont take damage tonight. Then you all should take a careful look at my filter in that slight chance. I'm not actually that sure he's mafia (the tone of his post and the way he does don't really scream mafia to me), but I want to be sure... ...again, perhaps killing Mattchew would be the best choice today. Whats there to say? he has made 0 impression on me this entire game. This usually is not a good sign in the "I'M TOWN" check box.
There's plenty to say, "He's scum" is one of them. Maybe posting specific reasons for that are other things to say.
What do you think of him being so overly protective of you? What do you think of him going against Zealos, then flip-flopping on his read of S&B (going from "town" to "let's kill him next day").
I dunno.
Who will you attack today Greymist?
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How about the fact that now you don't think Zealos is scum out of a sudden and you never mentioned that again? You were tunneling Zealos since the beginning of D2 basically saying "He's obvious scum yet you are attacking me! You suck".
Now you just casually say S&B and Matt are scum and instantly drop the subject.
What's up with that?
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On July 01 2012 15:11 Oberyn wrote:
How about the fact that now you don't think Zealos is scum out of a sudden and you never mentioned that again? You were tunneling Zealos since the beginning of D2 basically saying "He's obvious scum yet you are attacking me! You suck".
Now you just casually say S&B and Matt are scum and instantly drop the subject.
What's up with that?
You dropped me as a subject for a period.
I suppose I thought that I didnt have to keep saying in every post "Guys, zealos is scum". Apparently some of us need constant reminders.
Also don't put words in my mouth. It makes you look bad.
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On July 01 2012 15:09 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 15:05 GreYMisT wrote:On July 01 2012 14:52 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 14:35 GreYMisT wrote:On July 01 2012 09:26 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 09:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Playing Mindlash sliver. don't worry, I won't be using his ability ever On July 01 2012 08:22 Oberyn wrote:On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons.
1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy
2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum
3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong
You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done.
On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam. I want you to continue this idea Grey. I have no idea what you are even asking by that. I'm asking you to tell us why you think Mattchew is scum lol it's not that hard to comprehend. Do you really want me to tunnel you again? *sigh* I don't get you Grey. Anyways, you guys might be right about the night kills since I always misinterpret scum's intentions with it. But scum not shooting Nova last night kind of equates scum not shooting Rad at night, at least from the context of this game, and that's what raises the red flags for me (also the fact that Nova disappeared for like 20 hours or so and went against "easy" players, like Fulla and Zealos.....although some things, like him backing off Fulla and him posting very openly about scum shooting him don't make me so sure). I just want the night action to be a wake-up call to analyze Nova, hell he even stated so himself: On June 30 2012 00:26 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also nobody should be worried im mafia unless i dont take damage tonight. Then you all should take a careful look at my filter in that slight chance. I'm not actually that sure he's mafia (the tone of his post and the way he does don't really scream mafia to me), but I want to be sure... ...again, perhaps killing Mattchew would be the best choice today. Whats there to say? he has made 0 impression on me this entire game. This usually is not a good sign in the "I'M TOWN" check box. There's plenty to say, "He's scum" is one of them. Maybe posting specific reasons for that are other things to say. What do you think of him being so overly protective of you? What do you think of him going against Zealos, then flip-flopping on his read of S&B (going from "town" to "let's kill him next day"). I dunno. Who will you attack today Greymist?
This is what I said....In that post you quoted....I guess its too much to ask for me to not have to spell every. Single. Thing. Out.
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On July 01 2012 15:14 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 15:11 Oberyn wrote:
How about the fact that now you don't think Zealos is scum out of a sudden and you never mentioned that again? You were tunneling Zealos since the beginning of D2 basically saying "He's obvious scum yet you are attacking me! You suck".
Now you just casually say S&B and Matt are scum and instantly drop the subject.
What's up with that? You dropped me as a subject for a period. I suppose I thought that I didnt have to keep saying in every post "Guys, zealos is scum". Apparently some of us need constant reminders. Also don't put words in my mouth. It makes you look bad.
If you think S&B and Mattchew are scum.....then you think Zealos is town, that's the opposite of "dropping the "Guys, zealos is scum" subject for a period".
When I "dropped you as a subject" I still thought of you as scum (I guess you mean before in D2).
Also don't put words in my mouth. It makes you look bad
Stop antagonizing me, it makes you look bad
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