[T] MTG Mini Mafia - Page 34

Yes, that is my reason for attacking Zealos. I think that post was a scum slip. I also think that post demonstrates that he isn't playing from a townie mindset. The obvious town reasoning is that increasing town KP is good, regardless of whether it's directed at you in the shorter term. The answer isn't "no I won't help town increase its KP", it's "you fucking moron I'm town don't kill me, but here's how we can increase town KP."

On June 30 2012 01:07 Oberyn wrote:


I agree with Nova, Fulla is most likely town.

Remember that for scum this is a foreign setup never played before, they will obviously try to tread carefully in the game and be more conservative about it.

Basically scum are thrown into this game without "usual scum plays" to do (which are done in games with normal lynches/night actions), so I do think scum will try to play "for themselves" more then interacting with town.

If Fulla was scum, for instance he could have tapped 3 Mountains and play Ball Lightning at the beginning of the day and that's it; later he can justify himself all he wants and stuff, but he first needs to get the action done.

That's what makes me suspicious of S&B and Greymist because they are doing exactly that, they are "playing for themselves", being reserved about their plays/actions and not letting town interfere with them, that way they have more control on what they are doing and don't let town have the control (which could lead them to lose the game)

Other than S&B and Greymist, Zealos is the only one playing similarly.
WBG did tap most of his Islands and make a play....but he left 1 untapped and is revealing his hand and optional plays to town and letting us decide (kind of what Fulla is doing as well), and he's more likely town because of it as well.

Matt could be another option, he's playing a little bit reserved, but he's still open about his play (he asked town to let us get his warlord out into play) and he let us "control" (influence more accurately) his actions (by telling him to give Nova mana for instance).

I get the feeling scum won't be all "open" to town at this early stage and are more likely trying to figure out what to do in the game and playing reserved until then; and I doubt they will be "open" when they know doing that gives town a HUGE advantage (e.g: being "open" made us have 2 8/8 beasts).


That's my opinion on this subject, which is what makes me think the likes of S&B and Greymist (or possibly Zealos) are scum and Fulla and WBG (and others that play "open" to suggestions and let town influence them) are town.

S&B's posts "seem" town....however he isn't "obvious town" as Prome, WBG or maybe even Nova...he just "seems" townie; but doesn't do much with it.
That appears to be the case of scum trying to "appear" townie, but not doing anything that actually benefits town (which is what makes those other people "obvious town").

Not only that, but like I said, he doesn't really do anything to contribute to town.

Just like Greymist, his filter consists of commenting on several issues, but not trying to scumhunt himself. The first "opinion" on a player comes when I basically ask him for it:

Second, your case is mostly bullshit because you're pushing it as far stronger than it actually is, because you're ignoring a lot of the real things that make greymist scummy, and because it's a self-fulfilling prophesy; as long as greymist has to keep responding to content-less attacks on his lack of content, his filter will grow without gaining more content

Second, your case is mostly bullshit because you're pushing it as far stronger than it actually is, because you're ignoring a lot of the real things that make greymist scummy

On June 30 2012 02:44 strongandbig wrote:


He did it after you said you would attack me or grey, not him. Risky if he and grey are scum together, but null otherwise since it would be the right move either as scum or town, given that he's under pressure.

On June 30 2012 03:06 Zealos wrote:

You're hilariously scummy. Luckily if I can survive a few days I can kill you, as my deck basically functions as a one hit vig.
Also, I gave you 3 mana when I realised it made no difference to me if I did or not, as Ob looks town to me. Also, why would I /not/ start talking after people try to kill me? You can make nearly anything suit your "case" on me, when in reality you just want an easy target to avoid people pointing out what a pile of red you are. Also, I'm done posting for the rest of the day. I'm irritated at life, and it will translate as me shouting and swearing at people for be so naive stupid and tunnelvisioned.

On June 30 2012 03:26 strongandbig wrote:
Gonzaw it's not just that he "didnt't include himself in town." That would be dumb.

It's the mindset that would lead someone to make that specific post. I think he posted that from a non-town state of mind.

Think about it this way - "I want to help town but I'm not suiciding" means "I want to help town but I want to not die more."

He doesn't respond to that by saying he's town. He says that he won't help town kill him. Those are different.

On June 30 2012 03:09 GreYMisT wrote:


This is basically my response to everything oberyn has been saying to me. You have been more useless in scumhunting than I , and yet this will just slip by. Isnt this game wonderful?

Also I would like more thoughts on promo, from everyone.

If you don't I'll put you on my list

On June 30 2012 03:42 WereBugs-Go wrote:
Am I getting the 3 colorless mana or not?
Fulla has 1 (not getting into the other thread for whatever reason) and Obe has how much left? I still don't think you'll need the island at all because you don''t want to cast the spellbomb today eather way. Nor do you want to cast that spell of yours.

I'm not really feeling like changing everything 2,5 hours prior to the deadline when I am waiting something like 70 hours for people to start a conversation on something and only NOW something's starting. So I don't even care about what was posted most recently...

On June 30 2012 03:26 strongandbig wrote:
Gonzaw it's not just that he "didnt't include himself in town." That would be dumb.

It's the mindset that would lead someone to make that specific post. I think he posted that from a non-town state of mind.

Think about it this way - "I want to help town but I'm not suiciding" means "I want to help town but I want to not die more."

He doesn't respond to that by saying he's town. He says that he won't help town kill him. Those are different.

On June 30 2012 03:53 Oberyn wrote:


I'm waiting for Artanis to update the Board thread, I don't know if Fulla giving me 1 mana in this thread will count or not.

After that sure I'll give you the 3 mana (only for summoning that 4/4, no weird play here).
Although I wanted Prome and Mattchew to post if they have other monsters to summon....but well they are not here so might as well make you summon yours

I'd really like your opinion on what was posted most recently, specially about this whole S&B issue

On June 30 2012 03:58 Mattchew wrote:

i have nothing that worthwhile to play. i can get most of it out next turn with a mountain.

On June 30 2012 03:59 Oberyn wrote:
To clarify:

No, it's not a scumslip and it doesn't make sense for you to think that.

Imagine Zealos is town: The plan of the 8/8 beasts was to basically attack him and kill him. If he's town, he knows that dying would actually harm town than help it. From his POV giving mana would be a "suicide" since that mana would go to the summon of a 8/8 beast that would kill him.
Even if he wanted to "help town", he thought that doing so would be "suiciding" and not actually helping town at all.

There, I showed you how he could have posted that from a town state of mind, now if you still want to attack him then you need to actually justify it.

On June 30 2012 03:30 Zealos wrote:

Why are you so hesistant to attack S&B You conviniently ignore him/

On June 30 2012 03:59 Oberyn wrote:
To clarify:

No, it's not a scumslip and it doesn't make sense for you to think that.

Imagine Zealos is town: The plan of the 8/8 beasts was to basically attack him and kill him. If he's town, he knows that dying would actually harm town than help it. From his POV giving mana would be a "suicide" since that mana would go to the summon of a 8/8 beast that would kill him.
Even if he wanted to "help town", he thought that doing so would be "suiciding" and not actually helping town at all.

There, I showed you how he could have posted that from a town state of mind, now if you still want to attack him then you need to actually justify it.

In his entire filter before I accused him of making a scum slip, Zealos wrote:
Lemme just sort out my hand and work out whats going on.

If I cock something up let me know, not played for a while, nor do I know a great deal of meta game. I have to agree about the fear of Grey, but I have no reason to think him mafia as of yet, but I could see a potential problem emerging.

Oh, yeah, I'm also all for revealing decks/hands or whatever.

What reason do you have not to reveal?

Without reason, no, I think it's a stupid idea.

Well, actually, I'm quite happy to reveal even if no one else does, but I don't see how that helps town. I do wanna know why you won't reveal though.

I'm afraid my knowledge of Magic means I'm clutching at straws atm. I can keep up, but my contributions are probably gonna be pretty bad.

I may well be a vet, but I am still terrible at the game :D
For now, I want to see how the game pans out a bit, after the first round of attacks I think we'll be able to get a better feel for who is town and who isn't.

Ok, I have nothing to spend my mana on, so does anyone need mana?

Ok, so, here's the way I see it. I have been lurky as hell. However, I am not mafia, and I am happy to play cards however the rest of town deems fit. I am waiting to see who attacks each other before I can really get a good idea of who is scum or otherwise.

I might be missing something though, but why are we suddenly creating 2 8/8 creatures for people we can't confirm as town? It seems like it would be pretty much auto lose if they both turn out to be scum.

I'm just not happy putting that much power in 2 unknown players.

Haha. Yes. I'd better give my mana to the guy that wants to use it to attack me. I'll help town, but I'm not suiciding.