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On June 30 2012 04:27 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:59 Oberyn wrote:
To clarify:
No, it's not a scumslip and it doesn't make sense for you to think that.
Imagine Zealos is town: The plan of the 8/8 beasts was to basically attack him and kill him. If he's town, he knows that dying would actually harm town than help it. From his POV giving mana would be a "suicide" since that mana would go to the summon of a 8/8 beast that would kill him.
Even if he wanted to "help town", he thought that doing so would be "suiciding" and not actually helping town at all.
There, I showed you how he could have posted that from a town state of mind, now if you still want to attack him then you need to actually justify it. I do think that comment shows a scum mindset. I think if he meant to say what you present him as saying, he would have said it differently. He would have said something like "killing me won't help town so I'm not going to help you kill me." Much simpler than the odd phrasing he actually chose The comment just screams "scum" to me. Maybe my scum detectors aren't as fully developed as yours are. But it really does. Now, let's look at Zealos's filter and see if that gut feeling can be justified! Show nested quote +In his entire filter before I accused him of making a scum slip, Zealos wrote:
Lemme just sort out my hand and work out whats going on.
If I cock something up let me know, not played for a while, nor do I know a great deal of meta game. I have to agree about the fear of Grey, but I have no reason to think him mafia as of yet, but I could see a potential problem emerging.
Oh, yeah, I'm also all for revealing decks/hands or whatever.
What reason do you have not to reveal?
Without reason, no, I think it's a stupid idea.
Well, actually, I'm quite happy to reveal even if no one else does, but I don't see how that helps town. I do wanna know why you won't reveal though.
I'm afraid my knowledge of Magic means I'm clutching at straws atm. I can keep up, but my contributions are probably gonna be pretty bad.
I may well be a vet, but I am still terrible at the game :D
For now, I want to see how the game pans out a bit, after the first round of attacks I think we'll be able to get a better feel for who is town and who isn't.
Ok, I have nothing to spend my mana on, so does anyone need mana?
Ok, so, here's the way I see it. I have been lurky as hell. However, I am not mafia, and I am happy to play cards however the rest of town deems fit. I am waiting to see who attacks each other before I can really get a good idea of who is scum or otherwise.
I might be missing something though, but why are we suddenly creating 2 8/8 creatures for people we can't confirm as town? It seems like it would be pretty much auto lose if they both turn out to be scum.
I'm just not happy putting that much power in 2 unknown players.
Haha. Yes. I'd better give my mana to the guy that wants to use it to attack me. I'll help town, but I'm not suiciding.
What in that filter makes you think he's town? Is it the hesitation to power up town KP? Is it the excuses for not contributing? Is it the willingness to agree, then disagree, with a random plan to reveal information, all without providing any reasoning whatsoever? Because all of those make me think he is scum. He's posted more since I accused him of making a scumslip and since other people started talking seriously about attacking him, than he did in the entire first two days of the game put together. Every single post since than has been attacking someone who called him scum. He's attacked me, greymist, and nova. In none of those cases did he bother presenting any evidence other than that we wanted to attack him, and that our reasons were (according to him) bad. It's like the literal definition of omgus, but applied scattershot to three different people. So yeah. I do think he slipped and revealed that he is posting from a scum mindset. However, that's not the only reason I think he is scum. Remember when I referred to "his terrible filter"? Well, I kind of hoped you might read his filter before flying off the handle at me. But now you don't have to read his filter because I did it for you! Here's the conclusion: his filter is terrible and he is scum.
My filter was bad because I barely posted and lurked. You on the other hand are still pushing one of the worst cases I have ever seen.
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And everyone called me fucking scum. Stop making such ridiculous points. You could use that argument against LITERALLY everyone and you KNOW IT. You are desperate.
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I honestly just don't care anymore. My new plan this game is to get so powerful that no one can stop me, and then systematically kill everyone who annoys me and be the last one standing. Bound to be mafia somewhere in there.
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On June 30 2012 04:36 GreYMisT wrote:
I honestly just don't care anymore. My new plan this game is to get so powerful that no one can stop me, and then systematically kill everyone who annoys me and be the last one standing. Bound to be mafia somewhere in there.
Now he's admitted to being completely anti town, can we finish him before he gets the chance to win?
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On June 30 2012 04:36 GreYMisT wrote:
I honestly just don't care anymore. My new plan this game is to get so powerful that no one can stop me, and then systematically kill everyone who annoys me and be the last one standing. Bound to be mafia somewhere in there.
I didn't know palmar and greymist were a team
ps. this is not anti town if he is town
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On June 30 2012 04:32 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 04:27 strongandbig wrote:On June 30 2012 03:59 Oberyn wrote:
To clarify:
No, it's not a scumslip and it doesn't make sense for you to think that.
Imagine Zealos is town: The plan of the 8/8 beasts was to basically attack him and kill him. If he's town, he knows that dying would actually harm town than help it. From his POV giving mana would be a "suicide" since that mana would go to the summon of a 8/8 beast that would kill him.
Even if he wanted to "help town", he thought that doing so would be "suiciding" and not actually helping town at all.
There, I showed you how he could have posted that from a town state of mind, now if you still want to attack him then you need to actually justify it. I do think that comment shows a scum mindset. I think if he meant to say what you present him as saying, he would have said it differently. He would have said something like "killing me won't help town so I'm not going to help you kill me." Much simpler than the odd phrasing he actually chose The comment just screams "scum" to me. Maybe my scum detectors aren't as fully developed as yours are. But it really does. Now, let's look at Zealos's filter and see if that gut feeling can be justified! In his entire filter before I accused him of making a scum slip, Zealos wrote:
Lemme just sort out my hand and work out whats going on.
If I cock something up let me know, not played for a while, nor do I know a great deal of meta game. I have to agree about the fear of Grey, but I have no reason to think him mafia as of yet, but I could see a potential problem emerging.
Oh, yeah, I'm also all for revealing decks/hands or whatever.
What reason do you have not to reveal?
Without reason, no, I think it's a stupid idea.
Well, actually, I'm quite happy to reveal even if no one else does, but I don't see how that helps town. I do wanna know why you won't reveal though.
I'm afraid my knowledge of Magic means I'm clutching at straws atm. I can keep up, but my contributions are probably gonna be pretty bad.
I may well be a vet, but I am still terrible at the game :D
For now, I want to see how the game pans out a bit, after the first round of attacks I think we'll be able to get a better feel for who is town and who isn't.
Ok, I have nothing to spend my mana on, so does anyone need mana?
Ok, so, here's the way I see it. I have been lurky as hell. However, I am not mafia, and I am happy to play cards however the rest of town deems fit. I am waiting to see who attacks each other before I can really get a good idea of who is scum or otherwise.
I might be missing something though, but why are we suddenly creating 2 8/8 creatures for people we can't confirm as town? It seems like it would be pretty much auto lose if they both turn out to be scum.
I'm just not happy putting that much power in 2 unknown players.
Haha. Yes. I'd better give my mana to the guy that wants to use it to attack me. I'll help town, but I'm not suiciding.
What in that filter makes you think he's town? Is it the hesitation to power up town KP? Is it the excuses for not contributing? Is it the willingness to agree, then disagree, with a random plan to reveal information, all without providing any reasoning whatsoever? Because all of those make me think he is scum. He's posted more since I accused him of making a scumslip and since other people started talking seriously about attacking him, than he did in the entire first two days of the game put together. Every single post since than has been attacking someone who called him scum. He's attacked me, greymist, and nova. In none of those cases did he bother presenting any evidence other than that we wanted to attack him, and that our reasons were (according to him) bad. It's like the literal definition of omgus, but applied scattershot to three different people. So yeah. I do think he slipped and revealed that he is posting from a scum mindset. However, that's not the only reason I think he is scum. Remember when I referred to "his terrible filter"? Well, I kind of hoped you might read his filter before flying off the handle at me. But now you don't have to read his filter because I did it for you! Here's the conclusion: his filter is terrible and he is scum. My filter was bad because I barely posted and lurked. You on the other hand are still pushing one of the worst cases I have ever seen.
yeah this is who we need to kill.. literally admits to lurking and being afraid to post
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On June 30 2012 04:36 GreYMisT wrote:
I honestly just don't care anymore. My new plan this game is to get so powerful that no one can stop me, and then systematically kill everyone who annoys me and be the last one standing. Bound to be mafia somewhere in there.
So I thought about doing this but the problem was that the mafia beast is unblockable and untargetable. Hopefully you've thought of that already.
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On June 30 2012 04:36 GreYMisT wrote:
I honestly just don't care anymore. My new plan this game is to get so powerful that no one can stop me, and then systematically kill everyone who annoys me and be the last one standing. Bound to be mafia somewhere in there.
I'm already there, and you kind of annoy me this game so I'll take your own advice.
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On June 30 2012 04:33 Zealos wrote:
And everyone called me fucking scum. Stop making such ridiculous points. You could use that argument against LITERALLY everyone and you KNOW IT. You are desperate.
my point is you didn't attack anyone for their play, you attacked them all for their attacks on you.
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On June 30 2012 04:41 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 04:36 GreYMisT wrote:
I honestly just don't care anymore. My new plan this game is to get so powerful that no one can stop me, and then systematically kill everyone who annoys me and be the last one standing. Bound to be mafia somewhere in there. I didn't know palmar and greymist were a team ps. this is not anti town if he is town
Yes it is, because once he realises all his scumreads are terrible, it will be too late and the scumteam will kill him.
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On June 30 2012 04:47 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 04:36 GreYMisT wrote:
I honestly just don't care anymore. My new plan this game is to get so powerful that no one can stop me, and then systematically kill everyone who annoys me and be the last one standing. Bound to be mafia somewhere in there. I'm already there, and you kind of annoy me this game so I'll take your own advice.
What is your opinion on my case against Zealos's filter?
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On June 30 2012 04:49 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 04:47 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 04:36 GreYMisT wrote:
I honestly just don't care anymore. My new plan this game is to get so powerful that no one can stop me, and then systematically kill everyone who annoys me and be the last one standing. Bound to be mafia somewhere in there. I'm already there, and you kind of annoy me this game so I'll take your own advice. What is your opinion on my case against Zealos's filter?
Can you answer why you make a point about me using the fact I attack people who attacked me, even though nearly everyone had attacked me?
Then can you finally back down from the awful case about my "scumslip"
Then can you search for an actual scum player?
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Attacked me, being made cases against me, as opposed to the literal sense.
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Since there were some things unclear about the blocking phase: After thinking about it, activated abilities on creatures will still work during the block phase. I would however much appreciate it if you announced them as soon as possible so people have a chance to respond. Though waiting until the deadline is allowed, it is considered uncourteous and I will delay moving to the main phase by 15 minutes should something come in at the last second.
If there are any complaints about this change, please PM them to me rather than discussing it in thread.
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On June 30 2012 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Since there were some things unclear about the blocking phase: After thinking about it, activated abilities on creatures will still work during the block phase. I would however much appreciate it if you announced them as soon as possible so people have a chance to respond. Though waiting until the deadline is allowed, it is considered uncourteous and I will delay moving to the main phase by 15 minutes should something come in at the last second.
If there are any complaints about this change, please PM them to me rather than discussing it in thread.
Fulla said he can't post in the other thread for whatever reason and asked people to quote what he said in here in the other thread.
Gonzaw did that but we're not sure if that's possible. Is it?
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On June 30 2012 04:49 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 04:47 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 04:36 GreYMisT wrote:
I honestly just don't care anymore. My new plan this game is to get so powerful that no one can stop me, and then systematically kill everyone who annoys me and be the last one standing. Bound to be mafia somewhere in there. I'm already there, and you kind of annoy me this game so I'll take your own advice. What is your opinion on my case against Zealos's filter?
You still haven't told me why you would attack Zealos instead of Greymist.
Hell even the "his deck is the strongest" argument works in favour of you attacking Grey.
I can't say I disagree with your "case", he did lurk, not contribute and kind of flip-flop with some ideas (about the deck-revealing plan, about "helping town").
But I got a gut town read on him.
His reactions seemed legit to me, for instance this:
On June 30 2012 01:00 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 00:49 Oberyn wrote:
@Zealos: I can already summon the 8/8 beast without your help, you giving me mana will only make me able to cast the Spellbomb.
Do you agree about me being able to use the Spellbomb or not? That's what you will be doing by giving me mana, so think about it By this logic I suppose I may as well give you mana. I'm also happy with your choice of attack in S&B, your logic makes sense. I'll give you my swamp mana (Only have the one unfortunately.)
On June 30 2012 01:53 Zealos wrote:
This is a mess. I'm gonna have to have a good read before committing my mana anywhere.
On June 30 2012 01:55 Zealos wrote:
Ok, no, Grey's points against Ob were bad, and his random new case seemed desperate. Giving all 3 mana to you Ob, that what you need?
You may say he's "flip-flopping" and that actually makes him scum. But there would be no reason for him as scum to do this, since it happened in a short period of time and there was no significant event in between.
That seemed to me more like a confused townie changing his mind over and over because of frustration and shit (I've done it many times as town).
Also, if he was planning on giving me 3 mana as scum, I don't think he would have done it the way he did it (in a rush, in the heat of the moment, etc). Scum don't play in the heat of the moment, they stay back, plan, wait and then post when necessary.
His posts didn't seem like that.
Those "small" things make me have a gut town read on him.
He's also being the target of absolutely everybody and there's 0% opposition to his "lynch", even when I propose alternatives (you or Grey); which raises red flags since if he was scum him+the other scum would have been all over a Grey "lynch" since I proposed it, he wouldn't have called Grey out 1 hour ago, but before.
Also EVERYBODY called him scum, so he HAS to attack someone that attacked him by definition (he isn't attacking Prome, WBG nor Fulla for instance, and all of them FoSed Zealos).
The fact that I agree with his scumreads (you+Grey) help him a little bit.
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Is the Board updated? Cause Fulla has his Mountain tapped...but I don't have my Clone out, nor Zealos has his lands tapped, nor WBG has his Myr Enforcer out
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Just got back and am looking at what I've missed, but I need to quickly point out how right this is.
On June 30 2012 01:15 Oberyn wrote:
I realize you don't really want your HP to go down by using "City of Brass" because everybody seems to want to attack you so you may die very fast if you do so.
However know that I won't let everybody just rampage against you, if you sacrifice 2 HP to give me+WBG mana then we'll greatly appreciate it.
I also think you are likely the townie out of S&B+Grey+You group, so if I still think you are town I won't let you die (however I'm not 100% sure so you still need to contribute and shit).
Zealos, you could do well by reading my case against Grey and S&B and posting your thoughts about it, or posting your thoughts about anything else that's being discussed.
I also think Zealos is the most likely to be town out of the group of 3, although he is still certainly scummier than any of the other players for me currently. I also noticed a s&b's link to greymist, but I didn't really want to point that out until a greymist flip cause I didn't notice the other infos tht you did Oberyn. Im still gonna be avataring zealos cause of his unwillingness to help and make cases etc.
Gonzaw is on top of everything this game, dayumm
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On June 30 2012 05:05 Oberyn wrote:
Is the Board updated? Cause Fulla has his Mountain tapped...but I don't have my Clone out, nor Zealos has his lands tapped, nor WBG has his Myr Enforcer out
Sorry, just got home, will get to updating.
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1)On June 30 2012 02:39 Fulla wrote:
I can't get Into the other thread guys. Could someone please post this for me?
##tap mountain. ##Cast helpfulness. ##Give mana to obe
2)On June 30 2012 04:01 Oberyn wrote:
##Use (3 colorless mana), Cast Helpfulness x 3, Target: WereBugs-Go
3)On June 30 2012 04:04 WereBugs-Go wrote:
##Use: (3 colorless mana)
##Cast: Myr Enforcer
In case it's possible
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