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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
June 29 2012 20:49 GMT
#721
You know what? I agree with both greymists and s&b's points on zealos and zealos' points on them, and have no idea what to do. If I didn't still have my pride, I would ask oberyn to tell me what to do
Thoughts/advice?
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
June 29 2012 20:51 GMT
#722
Also I'm assuming greymist saying hes gonna just get powerful and kill everyone that annoys him is a joke right
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
June 29 2012 20:53 GMT
#723
On June 30 2012 05:49 Nova_Terra wrote:
You know what? I agree with both greymists and s&b's points on zealos and zealos' points on them, and have no idea what to do. If I didn't still have my pride, I would ask oberyn to tell me what to do
Thoughts/advice?


Well...killing all 3 of them is an option, I doubt we can go wrong with that.


....I wish we had another 8/8 beast
Damn if I draw another Clone tomorrow I'll be so fucking excited!
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
June 29 2012 20:53 GMT
#724
On June 30 2012 05:51 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also I'm assuming greymist saying hes gonna just get powerful and kill everyone that annoys him is a joke right

I didn't take it as one. Other people don't appear to have taken it as such either.
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Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
June 29 2012 20:55 GMT
#725
I don't really care to be honest, I think we have a nice little "town circle" here (me+Nova+Prome+WB) of people that are all townie and all think each other are townie.

Unless we take TOO LONG to kill people I think we'll be fine.
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
June 29 2012 20:57 GMT
#726
On June 30 2012 05:55 Oberyn wrote:
I don't really care to be honest, I think we have a nice little "town circle" here (me+Nova+Prome+WB) of people that are all townie and all think each other are townie.

Unless we take TOO LONG to kill people I think we'll be fine.

I'm happy with that. Just kill S&B first please :3
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
June 29 2012 21:01 GMT
#727
Hey ob, lets give zealos a chance, if S&B flips scum, I am stupid and will re-think all my reads.

If S&B flips town, then zealos should be killed the next day.

Thanks
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 29 2012 21:03 GMT
#728
One hour until the Attack Phase starts.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
June 29 2012 21:03 GMT
#729
On June 30 2012 06:01 Mattchew wrote:
If S&B flips town, then zealos should be killed the next day.

Thanks

That's not really valid logic, but I guess it's better than nothing.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
June 29 2012 21:06 GMT
#730
On June 30 2012 06:01 Mattchew wrote:
Hey ob, lets give zealos a chance, if S&B flips scum, I am stupid and will re-think all my reads.

If S&B flips town, then zealos should be killed the next day.

Thanks

I will do this
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 29 2012 21:07 GMT
#731
On June 30 2012 05:36 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 05:15 strongandbig wrote:
On June 30 2012 05:01 Oberyn wrote:
On June 30 2012 04:49 strongandbig wrote:
On June 30 2012 04:47 Oberyn wrote:
On June 30 2012 04:36 GreYMisT wrote:
I honestly just don't care anymore. My new plan this game is to get so powerful that no one can stop me, and then systematically kill everyone who annoys me and be the last one standing. Bound to be mafia somewhere in there.


I'm already there, and you kind of annoy me this game so I'll take your own advice.


What is your opinion on my case against Zealos's filter?


You still haven't told me why you would attack Zealos instead of Greymist.
Hell even the "his deck is the strongest" argument works in favour of you attacking Grey.

I can't say I disagree with your "case", he did lurk, not contribute and kind of flip-flop with some ideas (about the deck-revealing plan, about "helping town").
But I got a gut town read on him.
His reactions seemed legit to me, for instance this:
On June 30 2012 01:00 Zealos wrote:
On June 30 2012 00:49 Oberyn wrote:
@Zealos: I can already summon the 8/8 beast without your help, you giving me mana will only make me able to cast the Spellbomb.
Do you agree about me being able to use the Spellbomb or not? That's what you will be doing by giving me mana, so think about it

By this logic I suppose I may as well give you mana. I'm also happy with your choice of attack in S&B, your logic makes sense. I'll give you my swamp mana (Only have the one unfortunately.)


On June 30 2012 01:53 Zealos wrote:
This is a mess. I'm gonna have to have a good read before committing my mana anywhere.


On June 30 2012 01:55 Zealos wrote:
Ok, no, Grey's points against Ob were bad, and his random new case seemed desperate. Giving all 3 mana to you Ob, that what you need?

You may say he's "flip-flopping" and that actually makes him scum. But there would be no reason for him as scum to do this, since it happened in a short period of time and there was no significant event in between.

That seemed to me more like a confused townie changing his mind over and over because of frustration and shit (I've done it many times as town).

To me it seems more like a lurking scum who realized that he might actually die, and who was therefore in a hurry to stop seeming lurky.
On June 30 2012 04:36 Oberyn wrote:
Also, if he was planning on giving me 3 mana as scum, I don't think he would have done it the way he did it (in a rush, in the heat of the moment, etc). Scum don't play in the heat of the moment, they stay back, plan, wait and then post when necessary.
His posts didn't seem like that.

He gave you mana as soon as you said you would attack me. I think he did it in a rush to seem towny as soon as it was "safe" for him.
On June 30 2012 04:36 Oberyn wrote:
Those "small" things make me have a gut town read on him.

He's also being the target of absolutely everybody and there's 0% opposition to his "lynch", even when I propose alternatives (you or Grey); which raises red flags since if he was scum him+the other scum would have been all over a Grey "lynch" since I proposed it, he wouldn't have called Grey out 1 hour ago, but before.

Also EVERYBODY called him scum, so he HAS to attack someone that attacked him by definition (he isn't attacking Prome, WBG nor Fulla for instance, and all of them FoSed Zealos).


Yes but he never actually did any ANALYSIS!!! I've made this point THREE TIMES and you CONTINUE to ignore it. His only reasoning for the attacks on me, nova, and GM were because of our cases against HIM, not because of our actions in the game. It's like he only actually cares about discrediting our cases against him. Oh wait does that sound like scum other Barry? YES IT DOES.

On June 30 2012 04:36 Oberyn wrote:
The fact that I agree with his scumreads (you+Grey) help him a little bit.

Oh nice to have that cleared up. Gee I wonder why his scumreads happen to agree with the most aggressive and vocal player in the thread, who's shown that he reacts badly to being disagreed with. (it's because he's scum)


You are reacting like scum right now, you know that right?

Look at the tone of your post:

Show nested quote +
Yes but he never actually did any ANALYSIS!!! I've made this point THREE TIMES and you CONTINUE to ignore it. His only reasoning for the attacks on me, nova, and GM were because of our cases against HIM, not because of our actions in the game. It's like he only actually cares about discrediting our cases against him. Oh wait does that sound like scum other Barry? YES IT DOES.


Show nested quote +
Oh nice to have that cleared up. Gee I wonder why his scumreads happen to agree with the most aggressive and vocal player in the thread, who's shown that he reacts badly to being disagreed with. (it's because he's scum)


There's nothing that would make you change your tone/attitude like that, nothing.
I didn't directly accuse you in that post, wasn't aggressive, nor condescending, nor insulting, nor "dense", nothing; I just stated why I got a gut town read on Zealos and now you are all over the place out of a sudden.


You know I don't really want to defend Zealos but you give me no choice:

Show nested quote +
To me it seems more like a lurking scum who realized that he might actually die, and who was therefore in a hurry to stop seeming lurky.


What the...? What? How does that make sense?
He flip-flopped on giving me mana because he "was in a hurry to stop seeming lurky"? wtf?

Show nested quote +
He gave you mana as soon as you said you would attack me. I think he did it in a rush to seem towny as soon as it was "safe" for him.


(First of all, I guess he meant "Greymist" and not "S&B" there, since I didn't actually say I would attack you then)

I planned on attacking Greymist since like D1, why wouldn't he "rush" to that before?

Yes, he didn't make any analysis...that doesn't automatically make him scum, it only makes him harder to read.


Yes, he's "scummy", yes he "doesn't contribute", yes he "has a chance of being mafia".
However his attitude seems townie IMO (certainly not like in LV where he was basically saying "oh can someone please tell me what to do?" and shit).


Also S&B...


You still haven't told me why you would attack Zealos instead of Greymist

Do I have to use force or something to get that out of you?


Because I think he has a higher chance of flipping scum. I kind of feel like that should have been obvious.

And if you're asking about the change in tone - it's because you keep telling me you're going to attack me and think I should die without actually explaining anything. You don't disagree with my case, but you have a "gut town read" on zealos. It's incredibly frustrating that you seem to just be ignoring my points.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 29 2012 21:08 GMT
#732
Creatures with summoning sickness are now also in italics. Lands and spells are now on different lines. Hopefully this will make things more clear.
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
June 29 2012 21:08 GMT
#733
On June 30 2012 06:01 Mattchew wrote:
Hey ob, lets give zealos a chance, if S&B flips scum, I am stupid and will re-think all my reads.

If S&B flips town, then zealos should be killed the next day.

Thanks


Wait didn't you think S&B was town?


I get the towniest read on Zealos than those 2 so sure (not that great a town read though, just gut, I've already said this couple of times).

The fact that both S&B and Greymist just keep attacking Zealos and don't even face each other at all (even when one of them thinks the other is scum) makes me think highly that at least one of them is scum (I can't see 2 townies doing that).
Most likely both are scum though, but whatever.
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 29 2012 21:09 GMT
#734
On June 30 2012 06:06 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 06:01 Mattchew wrote:
Hey ob, lets give zealos a chance, if S&B flips scum, I am stupid and will re-think all my reads.

If S&B flips town, then zealos should be killed the next day.

Thanks

I will do this


Wait how does this make sense? Why does my flipping town make Zealos scum?

And Nova would you please explain to me why you would attack me instead of Zealos, when you seem to agree with my case on him and his "case" on me boils down to nothing?

Like, before you commit to attacking me could you give me a little bit of logic that I can respond to?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
June 29 2012 21:09 GMT
#735
I decided that zealos deserves a chance :3
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 29 2012 21:09 GMT
#736
Why don't I?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 29 2012 21:11 GMT
#737
On June 30 2012 06:08 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 06:01 Mattchew wrote:
Hey ob, lets give zealos a chance, if S&B flips scum, I am stupid and will re-think all my reads.

If S&B flips town, then zealos should be killed the next day.

Thanks


Wait didn't you think S&B was town?


I get the towniest read on Zealos than those 2 so sure (not that great a town read though, just gut, I've already said this couple of times).

The fact that both S&B and Greymist just keep attacking Zealos and don't even face each other at all (even when one of them thinks the other is scum) makes me think highly that at least one of them is scum (I can't see 2 townies doing that).
Most likely both are scum though, but whatever.


Greymist hasn't responded once to my accusations against him. I've made it clear I think he's probably scum, but less certainly than Zealos. What more do you want from me towards him? I can't help it if he's just ignoring me.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
June 29 2012 21:13 GMT
#738
On June 30 2012 06:07 strongandbig wrote:
Because I think he has a higher chance of flipping scum. I kind of feel like that should have been obvious.


So you think Grey is bussing Zealos?
If all of us decide to kill Greymist first, would you oppose?

And if you're asking about the change in tone - it's because you keep telling me you're going to attack me and think I should die without actually explaining anything. You don't disagree with my case, but you have a "gut town read" on zealos. It's incredibly frustrating that you seem to just be ignoring my points.


lol
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 29 2012 21:13 GMT
#739
Also can we get a vote or something? If one of the "town beasts" is going to be attacking me, then I'd prefer it be actually the town's will.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 29 2012 21:14 GMT
#740
On June 30 2012 06:13 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 06:07 strongandbig wrote:
Because I think he has a higher chance of flipping scum. I kind of feel like that should have been obvious.


So you think Grey is bussing Zealos?
If all of us decide to kill Greymist first, would you oppose?

Show nested quote +
And if you're asking about the change in tone - it's because you keep telling me you're going to attack me and think I should die without actually explaining anything. You don't disagree with my case, but you have a "gut town read" on zealos. It's incredibly frustrating that you seem to just be ignoring my points.


lol


No I would not oppose that. However with my creature I will be attacking Zealos.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
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