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Nice Board change Artanis!
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Nova, I dont want to kill people. But you know these slivers have to eat too...
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On June 30 2012 06:14 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 06:13 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 06:07 strongandbig wrote:
Because I think he has a higher chance of flipping scum. I kind of feel like that should have been obvious. So you think Grey is bussing Zealos? If all of us decide to kill Greymist first, would you oppose? And if you're asking about the change in tone - it's because you keep telling me you're going to attack me and think I should die without actually explaining anything. You don't disagree with my case, but you have a "gut town read" on zealos. It's incredibly frustrating that you seem to just be ignoring my points.
lol No I would not oppose that. However with my creature I will be attacking Zealos.
You know what, actually I would even be willing to help you all attack greymist. I've made my position clear by now, but if killing off greymist quickly is something that the actual majority of town thinks would be a good idea (and not just oberyn) then I would be willing to help.
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On June 30 2012 06:09 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 06:06 Nova_Terra wrote:On June 30 2012 06:01 Mattchew wrote:
Hey ob, lets give zealos a chance, if S&B flips scum, I am stupid and will re-think all my reads.
If S&B flips town, then zealos should be killed the next day.
Thanks I will do this Wait how does this make sense? Why does my flipping town make Zealos scum? And Nova would you please explain to me why you would attack me instead of Zealos, when you seem to agree with my case on him and his "case" on me boils down to nothing? Like, before you commit to attacking me could you give me a little bit of logic that I can respond to?
If u flip town the chance of zealos being scum becomes high enough that there is little chance of me not killing him
I think both the cases on you and zealos have equal merit, so I'm going with my gut feeling of Zealos being kinda town, whereas I haven't liked some of your posts through the game.
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Strongandbig, you just made the list.
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On June 30 2012 06:15 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 06:14 strongandbig wrote:On June 30 2012 06:13 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 06:07 strongandbig wrote:
Because I think he has a higher chance of flipping scum. I kind of feel like that should have been obvious. So you think Grey is bussing Zealos? If all of us decide to kill Greymist first, would you oppose? And if you're asking about the change in tone - it's because you keep telling me you're going to attack me and think I should die without actually explaining anything. You don't disagree with my case, but you have a "gut town read" on zealos. It's incredibly frustrating that you seem to just be ignoring my points.
lol No I would not oppose that. However with my creature I will be attacking Zealos. You know what, actually I would even be willing to help you all attack greymist. I've made my position clear by now, but if killing off greymist quickly is something that the actual majority of town thinks would be a good idea (and not just oberyn) then I would be willing to help.
I'm also inclined to say kill Grey first out of those 2, just because S&B is less likely to be able to cause as much damage to town as Grey could with his deck.
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On June 30 2012 06:13 strongandbig wrote:
Also can we get a vote or something? If one of the "town beasts" is going to be attacking me, then I'd prefer it be actually the town's will.
I'm attacking Greymist not you (I threatened to attack you so you could answer those damn questions)
On June 30 2012 06:15 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 06:14 strongandbig wrote:On June 30 2012 06:13 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 06:07 strongandbig wrote:
Because I think he has a higher chance of flipping scum. I kind of feel like that should have been obvious. So you think Grey is bussing Zealos? If all of us decide to kill Greymist first, would you oppose? And if you're asking about the change in tone - it's because you keep telling me you're going to attack me and think I should die without actually explaining anything. You don't disagree with my case, but you have a "gut town read" on zealos. It's incredibly frustrating that you seem to just be ignoring my points.
lol No I would not oppose that. However with my creature I will be attacking Zealos. You know what, actually I would even be willing to help you all attack greymist. I've made my position clear by now, but if killing off greymist quickly is something that the actual majority of town thinks would be a good idea (and not just oberyn) then I would be willing to help.
You make it sound like you oppose killing Grey.
But okay, if you are actually town then you are doing the correct thing.
If Zealos were to be town, who would do you think is the remaining scum? Or who has a chance of being so? (or at least who isn't)
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I'm too tired to make any more decisions tonight. We have time, I'll decide tomorrow
Night yall
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On June 30 2012 05:49 Nova_Terra wrote:You know what? I agree with both greymists and s&b's points on zealos and zealos' points on them, and have no idea what to do. If I didn't still have my pride, I would ask oberyn to tell me what to do  Thoughts/advice?
What points has Zealos made against me that you agree with? These are the points I see against me in his filter:
Zealos said:
Saw this. Didn't bother reading the rest. Stop being retarded please you scummy scum scum.
You're hilariously scummy. Luckily if I can survive a few days I can kill you, as my deck basically functions as a one hit vig.
Also, I gave you 3 mana when I realised it made no difference to me if I did or not, as Ob looks town to me. Also, why would I /not/ start talking after people try to kill me? You can make nearly anything suit your "case" on me, when in reality you just want an easy target to avoid people pointing out what a pile of red you are. Also, I'm done posting for the rest of the day. I'm irritated at life, and it will translate as me shouting and swearing at people for be so naive stupid and tunnelvisioned.
Why do you ignore the question about Grey? Why are you not attacking him?
I mean, cmon S&B, seriously? A scumslip? That's the best you can do? It's a joke of a case and you know it. The downright delusion you showcase by continuing to defend it shows just how scummy you are.
My filter was bad because I barely posted and lurked. You on the other hand are still pushing one of the worst cases I have ever seen.
And everyone called me fucking scum. Stop making such ridiculous points. You could use that argument against LITERALLY everyone and you KNOW IT. You are desperate.
Can you answer why you make a point about me using the fact I attack people who attacked me, even though nearly everyone had attacked me?
Then can you finally back down from the awful case about my "scumslip"
Then can you search for an actual scum player?
Which of these do you consider a valid "point"? Here's what I see in here:
-Zealos asserts my case on him is bad, no less than five times.
-He asks why I'm not attacking Grey
-He says that everyone called him scum so my point that he only attacked people for calling him scum rather than for playing scummily is invalid.
I answered why I didn't want to attack Grey in my big wall of text as well as elsewhere: it's because I think Zealos is more likely scum. Grey's filter seems low on content but that could just as well be because he was genuinely pissed off at Gonzaw's spam and all the random attacks on him, or it could be because he's scum.
He is right that everyone called him scum, but I'm right when I say that he never attacked anyone for any reason other than that they called him scum. It's like he only cares about discrediting the cases against him, not actually for finding scum. Even if you agree with him that the cases against him are bad (which I don't think anyone does), townies make bad cases too, you need more to establish why someone with a bad case is scum.
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Don't worry, the monsters mostly come at dawn. Mostly...
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Yeah Why do you think me and Were are scum?
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On June 30 2012 06:26 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 05:49 Nova_Terra wrote:You know what? I agree with both greymists and s&b's points on zealos and zealos' points on them, and have no idea what to do. If I didn't still have my pride, I would ask oberyn to tell me what to do Thoughts/advice? What points has Zealos made against me that you agree with? These are the points I see against me in his filter: Show nested quote +Zealos said:
Saw this. Didn't bother reading the rest. Stop being retarded please you scummy scum scum.
You're hilariously scummy. Luckily if I can survive a few days I can kill you, as my deck basically functions as a one hit vig.
Also, I gave you 3 mana when I realised it made no difference to me if I did or not, as Ob looks town to me. Also, why would I /not/ start talking after people try to kill me? You can make nearly anything suit your "case" on me, when in reality you just want an easy target to avoid people pointing out what a pile of red you are. Also, I'm done posting for the rest of the day. I'm irritated at life, and it will translate as me shouting and swearing at people for be so naive stupid and tunnelvisioned.
Why do you ignore the question about Grey? Why are you not attacking him?
I mean, cmon S&B, seriously? A scumslip? That's the best you can do? It's a joke of a case and you know it. The downright delusion you showcase by continuing to defend it shows just how scummy you are.
My filter was bad because I barely posted and lurked. You on the other hand are still pushing one of the worst cases I have ever seen.
And everyone called me fucking scum. Stop making such ridiculous points. You could use that argument against LITERALLY everyone and you KNOW IT. You are desperate.
Can you answer why you make a point about me using the fact I attack people who attacked me, even though nearly everyone had attacked me?
Then can you finally back down from the awful case about my "scumslip"
Then can you search for an actual scum player? Which of these do you consider a valid "point"? Here's what I see in here: -Zealos asserts my case on him is bad, no less than five times. 1.-He asks why I'm not attacking Grey 2.-He says that everyone called him scum so my point that he only attacked people for calling him scum rather than for playing scummily is invalid. 3.I answered why I didn't want to attack Grey in my big wall of text as well as elsewhere: it's because I think Zealos is more likely scum. Grey's filter seems low on content but that could just as well be because he was genuinely pissed off at Gonzaw's spam and all the random attacks on him, or it could be because he's scum. He is right that everyone called him scum, but I'm right when I say that he never attacked anyone for any reason other than that they called him scum. 4. It's like he only cares about discrediting the cases against him, not actually for finding scum. Even if you agree with him that the cases against him are bad (which I don't think anyone does) 5., townies make bad cases too, you need more to establish why someone with a bad case is scum. 6.
This is shocking. Let me show you why, in easy to understand steps.
1. Yes, I make your case on me look stupid. How is that scummy?
2. Because of your refusal to answer. Is Ob scum too?
3. Which it was. Again, defending myself legitimately, dunno where the problem is yet...
4. He is a poor statement, backed up with no evidence, as an attempt to legitimize his awful point on me about attacking those who makes cases against me (everyone)
5. They are bad, they consist of me not having enough content early on, which is, as I've explained in other games, and in a scumqt once, I can't handle the start of the game. Too much random shit going on.
6. The fact you continue to push so heavily after your case is shown to be a load of bs.
Anything else? 
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Man, this game is much more fun as town. I can actually defend myself /knowing/ I'm right.
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On June 30 2012 06:19 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 06:13 strongandbig wrote:
Also can we get a vote or something? If one of the "town beasts" is going to be attacking me, then I'd prefer it be actually the town's will. I'm attacking Greymist not you (I threatened to attack you so you could answer those damn questions) Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 06:15 strongandbig wrote:On June 30 2012 06:14 strongandbig wrote:On June 30 2012 06:13 Oberyn wrote:On June 30 2012 06:07 strongandbig wrote:
Because I think he has a higher chance of flipping scum. I kind of feel like that should have been obvious. So you think Grey is bussing Zealos? If all of us decide to kill Greymist first, would you oppose? And if you're asking about the change in tone - it's because you keep telling me you're going to attack me and think I should die without actually explaining anything. You don't disagree with my case, but you have a "gut town read" on zealos. It's incredibly frustrating that you seem to just be ignoring my points.
lol No I would not oppose that. However with my creature I will be attacking Zealos. You know what, actually I would even be willing to help you all attack greymist. I've made my position clear by now, but if killing off greymist quickly is something that the actual majority of town thinks would be a good idea (and not just oberyn) then I would be willing to help. You make it sound like you oppose killing Grey. But okay, if you are actually town then you are doing the correct thing. If Zealos were to be town, who would do you think is the remaining scum? Or who has a chance of being so? (or at least who isn't)
Yeah when I posted that Nova seemed like he might attack me because catface.
I never said I oppose killing Grey. He hasn't done enough to show he's town. For example, he's ignored my points against him, which should be pretty simple and obvious to an experienced magic player. What I said was I think Zealos is a better choice to attack.
I will boil down all the points I've been making this whole time into a simple list.
1. Zealos is almost certainly scum, his filter is terrible and I think he's posting from a scum mindset.
2. Greymist is probably scum, because he was pushing an anti-town agenda at the start of the game. However, the things in his filter that you say make him scum are just as easily explained as coming from a townie who is frustrated at you and your posting style.
3. Since I think Zealos is more likely to be scum than Greymist I would prefer to attack him. However I do not object to other people attacking Greymist and I would participate if there was a mass town agreement to attack him.
As for your question - do you mean if Zealos is town and Greymist is scum? In that case my next best scum read would be between you, mattchew, and fulla. You because you've been kind of overwhelming the thread with plans and posts in a way that reminds me of liar game; mattchew just because he's been lurky and I don't really have anything to go on, but that's not necessarily a scum move from him, as I learned in TL LV, and fulla just because of the terrible start, although he's gotten better since then.
OTOH if Zealos is scum and Greymist is town, I would probably put you as my clear next best scum read, since you've been defending him so hard and pushing for other kills because of your "gut read" despite you agreeing with the case on him.
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On June 30 2012 06:33 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 06:26 strongandbig wrote:On June 30 2012 05:49 Nova_Terra wrote:You know what? I agree with both greymists and s&b's points on zealos and zealos' points on them, and have no idea what to do. If I didn't still have my pride, I would ask oberyn to tell me what to do Thoughts/advice? What points has Zealos made against me that you agree with? These are the points I see against me in his filter: Zealos said:
Saw this. Didn't bother reading the rest. Stop being retarded please you scummy scum scum.
You're hilariously scummy. Luckily if I can survive a few days I can kill you, as my deck basically functions as a one hit vig.
Also, I gave you 3 mana when I realised it made no difference to me if I did or not, as Ob looks town to me. Also, why would I /not/ start talking after people try to kill me? You can make nearly anything suit your "case" on me, when in reality you just want an easy target to avoid people pointing out what a pile of red you are. Also, I'm done posting for the rest of the day. I'm irritated at life, and it will translate as me shouting and swearing at people for be so naive stupid and tunnelvisioned.
Why do you ignore the question about Grey? Why are you not attacking him?
I mean, cmon S&B, seriously? A scumslip? That's the best you can do? It's a joke of a case and you know it. The downright delusion you showcase by continuing to defend it shows just how scummy you are.
My filter was bad because I barely posted and lurked. You on the other hand are still pushing one of the worst cases I have ever seen.
And everyone called me fucking scum. Stop making such ridiculous points. You could use that argument against LITERALLY everyone and you KNOW IT. You are desperate.
Can you answer why you make a point about me using the fact I attack people who attacked me, even though nearly everyone had attacked me?
Then can you finally back down from the awful case about my "scumslip"
Then can you search for an actual scum player? Which of these do you consider a valid "point"? Here's what I see in here: -Zealos asserts my case on him is bad, no less than five times. 1.-He asks why I'm not attacking Grey 2.-He says that everyone called him scum so my point that he only attacked people for calling him scum rather than for playing scummily is invalid. 3.I answered why I didn't want to attack Grey in my big wall of text as well as elsewhere: it's because I think Zealos is more likely scum. Grey's filter seems low on content but that could just as well be because he was genuinely pissed off at Gonzaw's spam and all the random attacks on him, or it could be because he's scum. He is right that everyone called him scum, but I'm right when I say that he never attacked anyone for any reason other than that they called him scum. 4. It's like he only cares about discrediting the cases against him, not actually for finding scum. Even if you agree with him that the cases against him are bad (which I don't think anyone does) 5., townies make bad cases too, you need more to establish why someone with a bad case is scum. 6. This is shocking. Let me show you why, in easy to understand steps. 1. Yes, I make your case on me look stupid. How is that scummy? 2. Because of your refusal to answer. Is Ob scum too? 3. Which it was. Again, defending myself legitimately, dunno where the problem is yet... 4. He is a poor statement, backed up with no evidence, as an attempt to legitimize his awful point on me about attacking those who makes cases against me (everyone) 5. They are bad, they consist of me not having enough content early on, which is, as I've explained in other games, and in a scumqt once, I can't handle the start of the game. Too much random shit going on. 6. The fact you continue to push so heavily after your case is shown to be a load of bs. Anything else?
Yeah except you didn't show my case to be untrue, because it's correct. You still haven't posted any analysis on anything except the cases on you. Your posting style and post count changed drastically once you got accused. etcetera. All of those points you made rely on the case on you being bad. I don't think there is anyone who agrees with you that it is a bad case.
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There's a difference between "making my case look stupid" and "just sitting there and saying that it is stupid."
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On June 30 2012 06:46 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 06:33 Zealos wrote:On June 30 2012 06:26 strongandbig wrote:On June 30 2012 05:49 Nova_Terra wrote:You know what? I agree with both greymists and s&b's points on zealos and zealos' points on them, and have no idea what to do. If I didn't still have my pride, I would ask oberyn to tell me what to do Thoughts/advice? What points has Zealos made against me that you agree with? These are the points I see against me in his filter: Zealos said:
Saw this. Didn't bother reading the rest. Stop being retarded please you scummy scum scum.
You're hilariously scummy. Luckily if I can survive a few days I can kill you, as my deck basically functions as a one hit vig.
Also, I gave you 3 mana when I realised it made no difference to me if I did or not, as Ob looks town to me. Also, why would I /not/ start talking after people try to kill me? You can make nearly anything suit your "case" on me, when in reality you just want an easy target to avoid people pointing out what a pile of red you are. Also, I'm done posting for the rest of the day. I'm irritated at life, and it will translate as me shouting and swearing at people for be so naive stupid and tunnelvisioned.
Why do you ignore the question about Grey? Why are you not attacking him?
I mean, cmon S&B, seriously? A scumslip? That's the best you can do? It's a joke of a case and you know it. The downright delusion you showcase by continuing to defend it shows just how scummy you are.
My filter was bad because I barely posted and lurked. You on the other hand are still pushing one of the worst cases I have ever seen.
And everyone called me fucking scum. Stop making such ridiculous points. You could use that argument against LITERALLY everyone and you KNOW IT. You are desperate.
Can you answer why you make a point about me using the fact I attack people who attacked me, even though nearly everyone had attacked me?
Then can you finally back down from the awful case about my "scumslip"
Then can you search for an actual scum player? Which of these do you consider a valid "point"? Here's what I see in here: -Zealos asserts my case on him is bad, no less than five times. 1.-He asks why I'm not attacking Grey 2.-He says that everyone called him scum so my point that he only attacked people for calling him scum rather than for playing scummily is invalid. 3.I answered why I didn't want to attack Grey in my big wall of text as well as elsewhere: it's because I think Zealos is more likely scum. Grey's filter seems low on content but that could just as well be because he was genuinely pissed off at Gonzaw's spam and all the random attacks on him, or it could be because he's scum. He is right that everyone called him scum, but I'm right when I say that he never attacked anyone for any reason other than that they called him scum. 4. It's like he only cares about discrediting the cases against him, not actually for finding scum. Even if you agree with him that the cases against him are bad (which I don't think anyone does) 5., townies make bad cases too, you need more to establish why someone with a bad case is scum. 6. This is shocking. Let me show you why, in easy to understand steps. 1. Yes, I make your case on me look stupid. How is that scummy? 2. Because of your refusal to answer. Is Ob scum too? 3. Which it was. Again, defending myself legitimately, dunno where the problem is yet... 4. He is a poor statement, backed up with no evidence, as an attempt to legitimize his awful point on me about attacking those who makes cases against me (everyone) 5. They are bad, they consist of me not having enough content early on, which is, as I've explained in other games, and in a scumqt once, I can't handle the start of the game. Too much random shit going on. 6. The fact you continue to push so heavily after your case is shown to be a load of bs. Anything else? Yeah except you didn't show my case to be untrue, because it's correct. You still haven't posted any analysis on anything except the cases on you. Your posting style and post count changed drastically once you got accused. etcetera. All of those points you made rely on the case on you being bad. I don't think there is anyone who agrees with you that it is a bad case.
But I literally went through every point you made and explained why it's wrong. Also, pushing Ob as scum because he "defends me so hard" is the most stupid shit I've read. He said he has a small gut feeling. You're fighting a losing war and making yourself look silly while you do it.
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On June 30 2012 06:46 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 06:33 Zealos wrote:On June 30 2012 06:26 strongandbig wrote:On June 30 2012 05:49 Nova_Terra wrote:You know what? I agree with both greymists and s&b's points on zealos and zealos' points on them, and have no idea what to do. If I didn't still have my pride, I would ask oberyn to tell me what to do Thoughts/advice? What points has Zealos made against me that you agree with? These are the points I see against me in his filter: Zealos said:
Saw this. Didn't bother reading the rest. Stop being retarded please you scummy scum scum.
You're hilariously scummy. Luckily if I can survive a few days I can kill you, as my deck basically functions as a one hit vig.
Also, I gave you 3 mana when I realised it made no difference to me if I did or not, as Ob looks town to me. Also, why would I /not/ start talking after people try to kill me? You can make nearly anything suit your "case" on me, when in reality you just want an easy target to avoid people pointing out what a pile of red you are. Also, I'm done posting for the rest of the day. I'm irritated at life, and it will translate as me shouting and swearing at people for be so naive stupid and tunnelvisioned.
Why do you ignore the question about Grey? Why are you not attacking him?
I mean, cmon S&B, seriously? A scumslip? That's the best you can do? It's a joke of a case and you know it. The downright delusion you showcase by continuing to defend it shows just how scummy you are.
My filter was bad because I barely posted and lurked. You on the other hand are still pushing one of the worst cases I have ever seen.
And everyone called me fucking scum. Stop making such ridiculous points. You could use that argument against LITERALLY everyone and you KNOW IT. You are desperate.
Can you answer why you make a point about me using the fact I attack people who attacked me, even though nearly everyone had attacked me?
Then can you finally back down from the awful case about my "scumslip"
Then can you search for an actual scum player? Which of these do you consider a valid "point"? Here's what I see in here: -Zealos asserts my case on him is bad, no less than five times. 1.-He asks why I'm not attacking Grey 2.-He says that everyone called him scum so my point that he only attacked people for calling him scum rather than for playing scummily is invalid. 3.I answered why I didn't want to attack Grey in my big wall of text as well as elsewhere: it's because I think Zealos is more likely scum. Grey's filter seems low on content but that could just as well be because he was genuinely pissed off at Gonzaw's spam and all the random attacks on him, or it could be because he's scum. He is right that everyone called him scum, but I'm right when I say that he never attacked anyone for any reason other than that they called him scum. 4. It's like he only cares about discrediting the cases against him, not actually for finding scum. Even if you agree with him that the cases against him are bad (which I don't think anyone does) 5., townies make bad cases too, you need more to establish why someone with a bad case is scum. 6. This is shocking. Let me show you why, in easy to understand steps. 1. Yes, I make your case on me look stupid. How is that scummy? 2. Because of your refusal to answer. Is Ob scum too? 3. Which it was. Again, defending myself legitimately, dunno where the problem is yet... 4. He is a poor statement, backed up with no evidence, as an attempt to legitimize his awful point on me about attacking those who makes cases against me (everyone) 5. They are bad, they consist of me not having enough content early on, which is, as I've explained in other games, and in a scumqt once, I can't handle the start of the game. Too much random shit going on. 6. The fact you continue to push so heavily after your case is shown to be a load of bs. Anything else? Your posting style and post count changed drastically once you got accused. etcetera. All of those points you made rely on the case on you being bad. I don't think there is anyone who agrees with you that it is a bad case.
Correct. You know yours did too. Subtle scumclaim?
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