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Vivax
22183 Posts
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
Anyone who is still on Twelve or BKE after this is delusional. All votes must either be on Hyaach or Katina, and honestly I believe Hyaach to have a true read given how scummy I found Katina. Let's lynch her today since that didn't fly yesterday. If Katina flips scum or miller we basically know Hyaach is telling the truth. If she flips town we can reexamine things then, though I seriously doubt Hyaach as scum would have the balls to claim in such a situation where a claim is not needed by scum. If he were scum and knew one of BKE/twelve to be town he'd just push the lynch on the townie between them. ##unvote ##vote Katina | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
I agree NSH; Hyaach's claim doesn't make any sense if he was scum. His checks make sense. I can totally buy a scum Katina in this game. ##vote katina | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Kind of interested in your logic here, Kurumi. Care to enlighten us? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 07 2012 09:49 ghost_403 wrote: Kind of interested in your logic here, Kurumi. Care to enlighten us? You lynch the "DT" first to prove his checks are not faked. | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
90+% sure this claim is legit and it helps that katina is one of my strongest scumreads. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Vote: Katina Further thoughts to follow. | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
It's moronic to lynch Hyaach right now because upon his claim everything about his play makes sense in retrospect. He had Katina as a scumread d1; plausible check. He had BKE as town but because of the d1 wagon probably decided to check him. Plausible check. Upon entering d2 he immediately attacks Katina. If he was scum literally the only way he could make this claim is if both twelve and BKE were scum, AND he planned it in advance. That's so incredibly unlikely given that even very experienced scum players can't fake a claim like that. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Sorry to burst your bubble, but why our DT did not check someone more experienced N1? He wasn't even going anywhere with his "checks" just look at his play. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 07 2012 10:03 NoSmurfHere wrote: You lynch based on whether or not the claim is believable or pushes a scum agenda. It's moronic to lynch Hyaach right now because upon his claim everything about his play makes sense in retrospect. He had Katina as a scumread d1; plausible check. He had BKE as town but because of the d1 wagon probably decided to check him. Plausible check. Upon entering d2 he immediately attacks Katina. If he was scum literally the only way he could make this claim is if both twelve and BKE were scum, AND he planned it in advance. That's so incredibly unlikely given that even very experienced scum players can't fake a claim like that. Then we have different definitions of "commit to". He could've basically run around and scream Katina's name and that'd count? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 07 2012 10:06 Kurumi wrote: Maybe I am just overreacting, but why he did not say that faster? Cause he wants to check more people is always a good answer ##vote katina | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On July 07 2012 10:05 Kurumi wrote: Then we have different definitions of "commit to". He could've basically run around and scream Katina's name and that'd count? Yes, because that's what DTs on this forum have been doing for months! Most of them don't make real cases because they're overly afraid of getting shot. Hyaach isn't the type of player who even particularly pushes his cases hard normally. What do you think happens when he rolls blue? You lynch a claim if it seems out of place or is pushing a scum agenda. There is none of that here. As town it makes 100% sense and if Katina was framed that just means we got unlucky. We don't lynch the DT because he disregarded a frame possibility, that's what DTs do all the time (that is, blindly trust their checks) In this case, hhowever, it is NOT blind trust. I was one of the few players with a strong scumread on Katina. A DT comes in and confirms this read in a situation where the read was completely off the table for lynch. In other words, very very unlikely this is scum agenda. Scum wouldn't draw this much attention to themselves just to get a particular player lynched (especially as it would turn into 1 for 1, a huge loss for mafia) | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Katina
United States454 Posts
That's stupid. Hyaach is lying. | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
"He must be lying" is all you've got? That's pretty pathetic. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On July 07 2012 09:27 ghost_403 wrote: -_- I don't know what to make of that. brb, reading hyaach's filter. Side note, if he is in fact the DT, i see no reason to doubt his claims. Scum Katina makes sense, and I doubt there are two GFs in this game. It would explain why he refused to push me. That explains alot actually, from a town or scum POV he should have been fighting back, but he was very passive about it. I totally buy this. | ||
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Twelve
United States90 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On July 07 2012 09:32 Hyaach wrote: Does framer work on scum? Causing them to change green to checks the answer is no but Mod please answer again in thread. So Katina may be framed but I doubt so. His play is weak and vague so far. But BKE is town. No, framers only make their targets appear as Evil. They do not cover. Magician (Framer): You are a Magician! The Ringleader pays your salary, and you're in debt from buying too many props, so you're glad to keep it that way. Your experience in sleight of hand has made you an expert in being able to sneak into the tents and wagons of others to plant evidence each night, or as you see it, making it magically appear, causing them to appear Evil to any checks. | ||
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