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I just got back to the computer. It's still a weekday.
What else am I supposed to say? I have never been in this position before where someone claims a false red check on me. I'm not Mafia. I have been trying my best to give out reads, answer any questions, and defend myself the entire game to prove to everyone that I'm town. Then to have this bad claim come in and get me mislynched yet again. I had to have been framed. That's the only logical way I could have turned up a red check. Especially as mentioned I have been in the spotlight and there would be a high possibility I would be checked. So who else would be a perfect target to frame? I find it more likely that Hyaach is lying.
Also you have been determined that I'm Mafia this whole time because of some stupid meta thing you have going on me. That's pretty much it other than your fluffy accusations against me about how stepping up my activity and giving my reads are "too convienent" That's ridiculous. After your constant attacks and pushes for me the whole game who's to say you aren't the one that framed me? Tossing around suspicion of me the whole game and pushing me into the spotlight while you sit on your throne and sway the town with a wave of your hand. Then suddenly I get a red check on top of everything else. If anything that is what I would call convenient.
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Alright I've read through Hyaach and Katina's filters and I don't see why you are trusting Hyaach over Katina. I had a strong town read on Katina, but after rereading, I realised it was because she defends me from lynches, but its always from one townie to another, so maybe she was exploiting knowing my alliance and trying to trick me into being an ally? Any thoughts? I'm feeling a but lost, but am willing to change my vote. Good god Hyaach if you are lieing about BKE.......
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any other DT that can confirm these claims from Hyaach?
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why would i trade myself for you? if anything lynching scum today or mislynch townie would still tesult in 2 kp at night. if i were scum and bke was my scum buddy. i have zero reason to save his ass and pu him and i out to dry next day
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Ooor I have been defending you because I don't think you are Mafia. I haven't had allies in any of the other games I have played in so what would make this game any different? I always give my opinions and I don't care who agrees with them or not. I thought you were town when everyone was against you. That's a risky thing to do as Mafia. I'm drawing a lot of attention to myself by doing that.
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Hahaha so in light of there being a claimed red check on katina I go from being a townread for Katina to being the person who framed her.
Hahahaha this is priceless.
You'd think that if I were sitting on a throne and waving town around I'd have gotten my choice of lynch (you or ShiaoPi) yesterday.
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show me a case where you actively push it like your town meta. you have been giving convient reads and refuse to take a stanve until someone else does
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On July 07 2012 10:35 Hyaach wrote:
why would i trade myself for you? if anything lynching scum today or mislynch townie would still tesult in 2 kp at night. if i were scum and bke was my scum buddy. i have zero reason to save his ass and pu him and i out to dry next day
Who cares as long as one of you survive you win.
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On July 07 2012 10:34 Twelve wrote:
any other DT that can confirm these claims from Hyaach?
What the fuck?
I'm sure you're scum now too
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On July 07 2012 10:36 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Hahaha so in light of there being a claimed red check on katina I go from being a townread for Katina to being the person who framed her.
Hahahaha this is priceless.
You'd think that if I were sitting on a throne and waving town around I'd have gotten my choice of lynch (you or ShiaoPi) yesterday.
It was a suggestion, anything is possible in these games. You of all people should know that espcially being around as long as you have been. I'm glad you are getting all giggly like a little school girl. I love you too.
As for your choice of lynch you always get it eventually. If not the same or next day so don't try and be all modest. It doesn't help that the town does what it wants as well.
This is all you have to say to what I wrote?
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On July 07 2012 10:38 Hyaach wrote:
show me a case where you actively push it like your town meta. you have been giving convient reads and refuse to take a stanve until someone else does
BKE, casualman, Mandalor. Do you not read filters? By read I mean actually read what they contain and not just derp through them.
I don't refuse to take a stance until someone else does. I have gone out of my way to take a stance on a few people this game whether it's accusing them of being Mafia or defending them because I have a strong town read on them.
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u defend bm day one. added post after mkmk lyncht make it seem like you care. add on cases where the ebtire towns are divides in half. bke is my green check too. makes me suspect u even nore. cman is a troll and i dont know what to make of mandanlor and myself? lol.
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So katina, is Hyaach lying, or were you framed, or both?
Your story is kinda weird. If you were framed it doesn't necessarily mean Hyaach is lying. So if you claim to be framed why is your instant conclusion that Hyaach is a liar?
I don't see the town motivation behind immediately claiming Hyaach is a liar without looking at the facts first. I had to actually go back to the OP and see if there were millers (there aren't) and to see how framers worked. (which Wiggles just clarified)
So instead of looking over the facts, your instant conclusion is that Hyaach is lying. You say he has to be lying, without even considering for a moment the motivation behind the claim. What motivation would a scum Hyaach have to single YOU out, of all players? The only plausible explanation for that is you believe all three of BKE, Twelve, and Hyaach to be scum...which honestly, I find to be absurd, and you haven't pushed this notion anyway. Are you of that opinion?
Thinking about it rationally, the only reason a scum would fakeclaim DT in this position is to save both BKE and Twelve, but then they would draw so much attention to themselves when their target flipped town that it would be simpler to paint one of BKE/Twelve as town and bus the hell out of the other. In fact it would be far more effective, even.
Then the second part of your little tirade kicks in. If you got framed, why is it necessitated that Hyaach is lying? If you're of the opinion that you got framed then you should believe Hyaach's claim.
Instead it seems like you've just started panicking and now all you can do is sling mud at the situation to try and make it go away.
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also town:
DO NOT FORGET THIS QUOTE AND THE ONE THAT COMES AFTER IT.
On July 07 2012 10:32 Twelve wrote:
Alright I've read through Hyaach and Katina's filters and I don't see why you are trusting Hyaach over Katina. I had a strong town read on Katina, but after rereading, I realised it was because she defends me from lynches, but its always from one townie to another, so maybe she was exploiting knowing my alliance and trying to trick me into being an ally? Any thoughts? I'm feeling a but lost, but am willing to change my vote. Good god Hyaach if you are lieing about BKE.......
It is here that Twelve essentially starts claiming scum.
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On July 07 2012 10:52 Hyaach wrote:
u defend bm day one. added post after mkmk lyncht make it seem like you care. add on cases where the ebtire towns are divides in half. bke is my green check too. makes me suspect u even nore. cman is a troll and i dont know what to make of mandanlor and myself? lol.
I do care.. The town is just about always half divided. BKE is green on your supposed "check" So trolls can't be Mafia? I find it interesting that you would let a troll live over someone who is posting their reads and trying to help the town find Mafia. You don't know what to make of yourself? Interesting. I would imagine you would have some idea by now.
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On July 07 2012 10:57 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 10:52 Hyaach wrote:
u defend bm day one. added post after mkmk lyncht make it seem like you care. add on cases where the ebtire towns are divides in half. bke is my green check too. makes me suspect u even nore. cman is a troll and i dont know what to make of mandanlor and myself? lol. I do care.. The town is just about always half divided. BKE is green on your supposed "check" So trolls can't be Mafia? I find it interesting that you would let a troll live over someone who is posting their reads and trying to help the town find Mafia. You don't know what to make of yourself? Interesting. I would imagine you would have some idea by now.
You never answered why you completely ignore grush the troll but not casualman the troll.
What separates the trolls?
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also, slightly off-topic rant:
I think I figured out why everyone hates meta.
Whenever it's used correctly, no one really notices. For example, I brought up Adam off-hand because I suspected him based on meta. The same thing happened in LI and he happened to be scum there too. I thought Zealos and Katina were scum in MTG off meta too.
However, when someone incorrectly uses meta it's like the world has exploded. Everyone starts saying "oh I hate meta bla bla bla no one ever uses it correctly bla bla bla" which might very well be true, but I think it's this selective bias, just as people are biased against those who get one lynch wrong (even if their reads otherwise are very good)
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On July 07 2012 10:52 NoSmurfHere wrote:
So katina, is Hyaach lying, or were you framed, or both?
Your story is kinda weird. If you were framed it doesn't necessarily mean Hyaach is lying. So if you claim to be framed why is your instant conclusion that Hyaach is a liar?
I don't see the town motivation behind immediately claiming Hyaach is a liar without looking at the facts first. I had to actually go back to the OP and see if there were millers (there aren't) and to see how framers worked. (which Wiggles just clarified)
So instead of looking over the facts, your instant conclusion is that Hyaach is lying. You say he has to be lying, without even considering for a moment the motivation behind the claim. What motivation would a scum Hyaach have to single YOU out, of all players? The only plausible explanation for that is you believe all three of BKE, Twelve, and Hyaach to be scum...which honestly, I find to be absurd, and you haven't pushed this notion anyway. Are you of that opinion?
Thinking about it rationally, the only reason a scum would fakeclaim DT in this position is to save both BKE and Twelve, but then they would draw so much attention to themselves when their target flipped town that it would be simpler to paint one of BKE/Twelve as town and bus the hell out of the other. In fact it would be far more effective, even.
Then the second part of your little tirade kicks in. If you got framed, why is it necessitated that Hyaach is lying? If you're of the opinion that you got framed then you should believe Hyaach's claim.
Instead it seems like you've just started panicking and now all you can do is sling mud at the situation to try and make it go away.
I don't know if I was framed or if Hyaach is lying. I have been looking over the facts this whole game. His motivation would be to go for someone in the spot light. With you on my back this whole game you gave him a nice target. As I have said numerous times I think BKE is Mafia and I'm not sure what to make of Hyaach anymore. Twelve I have a town read on. First reaction I had when I saw that red check was he had to be lying because I'm town. Then I read to see what roles could be in the game and noticed the Mafia could have a framer but since I think BKE is Mafia and apparently had a green check then it makes it hard for me to figure out which option it could be. If I had a town read on BKE this game then I would be more inclined to believe Hyaach's claim and conclude that I was framed.
Again as I said Mafia don't play by one particular style that would make the games too easy. It depends on the Mafia team as well some could have jubjubs who do odd things while others have experienced players who do odd things. I'm not slinging mud and trying to make it go away. I'm trying to defend myself from being mislynched this game. I'm not the target you should be trying to get lynched.
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On July 07 2012 11:01 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 10:57 Katina wrote:On July 07 2012 10:52 Hyaach wrote:
u defend bm day one. added post after mkmk lyncht make it seem like you care. add on cases where the ebtire towns are divides in half. bke is my green check too. makes me suspect u even nore. cman is a troll and i dont know what to make of mandanlor and myself? lol. I do care.. The town is just about always half divided. BKE is green on your supposed "check" So trolls can't be Mafia? I find it interesting that you would let a troll live over someone who is posting their reads and trying to help the town find Mafia. You don't know what to make of yourself? Interesting. I would imagine you would have some idea by now. You never answered why you completely ignore grush the troll but not casualman the troll. What separates the trolls?
What seperates them is that grush has posts where he actually says something. While casualman goes in active for almost the whole game and pops in to insult people or say "let's lynch this guy!!" I admit I have overlooked grush and a few other people this game. There have been others I can get an actual read on and casualman is just too bad and getting ignored too much to be true.
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