My own play
Town was at a very good advantage in day 2 and I was confirmed blue, I feel like I took whatever advantage that we had for granted and started producing noises and sloppy reads. Additionally the pressured applied by rolf and suki in day 1 contributes to my "super paranoia detective" mode and causing me to throw suspicion on people by making very bias reads. (the opposite of being "neutral", which I am accused of.) Reading HeavonEarth correctly also contributed to my ego and hence playing more carelessly. I feel like I am partially to blame for the lost. I didn't even put Milton out in any of my reads.
Always shoot scum
I debated myself if I should keep rolfwaffle alive so he can slip the 3rd scum, but I think killing him in night 1 is certainly the correct call. There is no guarantee he would slip; he may produce more noise if anything, and we spend one whole day cycle just to lynch a target that everyone agrees.
Miltonkram
To be totally honest, you were one of the person that I have no reads throughout the game prior to my death (even after death). You never appear especially townie nor scummy, and there is always someone scummier than you out there. I always ran out of time when I do my reads, and I always pick yours to skip. I don't blame Crossfire for lynching Suki over you, since I would do the same. I read your thoughts on the game in the scum QT, and I think your sciberbia's kill is excellent, seeing what he wrote in his last post, looks like you nailed it perfectly.
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Things I learnt
- Screw taking a stance without much evidence. I think I was misunderstood when I say I wanted to stay neutral. I didn't mean I wanted to passively follow lynches without making reads myself. What I meant was I don't want to jump to conclusions ignoring all other possible explanation, which is something I did in this game.
- Townies can act scummy too.
- Players who occasionally throw cases were all townies - Suki, s0Lstice, sciberbia, although I can see scum throwing cases to lead mislynch after mislynch.
- Players who do not response after getting on the lynch list was not all scums - Golden, trackd00r
- Last scum never pushed for a lynch - Although he planned to do so according to mafia QT.
- Last scum feel anxious about a scum lynch, but remains calm for the subsequent lynch.
- Cops and Jail keeper are more powerful blue roles
- Godfather exist doesn't mean Cops must exist. In this game, scums has no powers at all while townie has some "weaker" powers, although Veteran giving up really gives us a huge blow, else I would say this setup is slightly town sided.
- Do not be lazy and skip the same person over and over again or refuse to look at other people.
- Do not jump into conclusion that one of your townie read is actually scum, especially when there are still people in the "grey area".
- I suck. I am aware if I was not a confirmed blue I would be lynched already. However, that does not mean I should act in this manner even though I know I won't be lynched.
I can see why townies are depressed. Hell, I would be lying if I say was not. Unforgiven's analysis really nailed what I feel about myself looking back at the game. Trying to play super detective or lead the town when I don't know how, and throws out cases that I aren't even sure myself and pretended that I was- Suki and Sciberbia's was "desperation" case because I thought scums is smart enough to hide in my "townie read" group. In reality, last scum is in my "not sure about alignment" zone all the time, yet I did not pay attention to them.
GG, I hope there's another game I can play. The next two newbie game is already full, I hope there is a new one soon.
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@Crossfire
Why I wrongly accused Sciberbia
I don't know what motivates you to look at sciberbia, but when I started looking hard at sciberbia I thought everyone in the game looks green to me. I ignored Golden's non-existing defense against my case and his non-existing contribution ever since, and I ignored my Miltonkram's "not-sure-what-side-he-is" read. I thought scums must be good and it motivates me to re-read everyone's filter and I started with the player that I think is the best: sciberbia.
Over-confidence Cases
I think over-confident cases aren't bad. If you want to build a case against someone, go all out and assume your target really is mafia, if you are wrong, all you need to do is to say sorry. Of course, that does not mean that you should shut down whatever defense posted by your target. The reason why you want to build a case is to force a response, not only from the target, but from other people. It is by no means "you are mafia ##votes you kthxbye". (Sorry sciberbia) but I really dislike one thing he said once or twice in the game.
+ Show Spoiler + I couldn't find it yet, sciberbia's filter is 6 pages long lol. I will edit this if anyone wants me to quote it. It goes something like-
"I know there is always possible town-sided explanation for the points I brought up against you, so I am going to ignore your defenses"
That's one of the reason why I suspected sciberbia.
I think instead of just focusing on the content itself, we should look at the tone of the defense, did the person make silly excuses, look for any slip etc. Did anybody else made slips.
Building cases at night
I don't know, but I feel like building case at night is bad, especially scums can use it as a wifom by killing you off. s0Lstice got killed right after he posted a case on unforgiven. We could have interpreted it wrongly, and he won't be here to "change his mind." Also, by leaving behind a case like this, I honestly thinks it carries more weight than it deserved. In the day where Unforgiven was lynched, I changed my mind from thinking he is scum because s0Lstice mentioned a "leak", until I learn that the "leak" was far sketched. I even feel uncertain about the lynch later when I reread MJ's posts, but I went ahead with the lynch without trying to fight it off because:- Everyone agrees to lynch MJ
- I don't want s0Lstice to rage in his grave, I mean Obs QT, if he is actually right.
- I can secretly blame the lynch on s0Lstice if he flips green, and since we have "so many" mislynches left, why not just let it happen.
- I don't think I can attack s0Lstice's points without him around. Other people are not obligated to response to it, and some will come out with their own arguments against my points, and s0Lstice's case will still remain "undefeated"
I think it also works the other way round. What if you were right but you did not post and got killed off? I think unless you got a solid read or a irrefutable scum slip, not speculations (host slipped, host did not modkill etc etc), I think it is better to post your reads on multiple players, instead of one big case where no one can challenge it when you die.
Correctly Get Milton
I think Milton played really well. While he is not the most townie looking guy, he is also not the scummiest, and I kept re-reading filters from players that are from both extremes. There is also a bonus: no one will be suspicious of him not dying. There are no obvious slips and I think everyone agrees with me that scanning through the filter, he looks townie. I think the only way to "catch" him is that the fact he doesn't even flinch when we get closer and closer to LYLO, his tone remains the same, if not, it feels like he is getting more confident mislynch after mislynch. He also show no resentment for pushing for the wrong mislynches, but he didn't really do much to get the lynch going, really.
Summary
Overall, I think suicidal blue, "screw you for reading me scum" townie, Unforgiven's non-commitment first few days due to RL constraints and townie tearing themselves up nullify any advantage we had in day 1. I also noticed scums wins the majority of the newbie games, I wonder if it is the same for normal games? + Show Spoiler +<joke>Mafia is imba, nerve Mafia plx</joke>
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