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still need to talk about the scum outside these two | ||
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Did you seriously just make me roleclaim? | ||
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if you were roleblocked last night, Please claim now. | ||
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On June 10 2012 02:19 ha236 wrote: Seriously? That's the point that stands out the most to you in my post? You highlighting it being the "first worthwhile thing" makes it seem to me as though you're implying that therefore it cannot be boring which I find hard to understand. However, it was boring because both of them were in my opinion just going around in circles throughout three pages of posts. And so what if it was a circle? The more circles we went around, the more scummy that Grush was appearing and the more certain that we would end up confirming one of our scum targets, on day 1 no less. On June 10 2012 03:07 ha236 wrote: This isn't the point I am making. He says he "wouldn't be surprised" if this were the case, not that he is sure that it is the case and from what I understand he isn't making this assumption based on his "readings", rather a motto that players that don't post alot are usually mafia (which, to me isn't very logical). You explained it more clearly, called it illogical but does that make him scummy? Or is it just a lack of clarity with in a null/townie post? And why didn't you call this post useless as everyone else seemed to do? Everything is a possibility when we have no information On June 10 2012 04:54 ha236 wrote: I didn't say that he wasn't thinking it, I said that he wasn't sure. As for why he said it, probably for the reason of generating discussion - which everyone is so keen on doing on day one from what I've gathered. This is your soft-defense of grush (along with the previous post). Posting obvious ideas generate discussion? There wasn't so much as a plea to talk or a question directed at anyone. Why did you defend him here? On June 10 2012 08:04 ha236 wrote: Because, like you said, I didn't care enough to check it, why would I want to defend anyone this early in the game. Since this is a noob game I assume noob mistakes will be made. Obviously I meant that I disagreed with many of the points he made while agreeing on the big picture "issue". I feel like you're that implying starting the bandwagon (coming up with a argument that other people seem plausible) is a bad thing. If so, what's the meaning of talking at all? Playing the noob card is ridiculous. Especially when you have seen the manner in which Grush has been posting. As you quoted (without the poster's name for whatever reason), this is a soft defense again. Next part i agreed with. Next part was based on misreading so i'll ignore it. so was that On June 10 2012 08:13 ha236 wrote: EBWOP (this acronym correct?) I misread, didn't see "avoid" in your post, for some reason. So I'll instead ask why you don't think I am. it's been all soft defense. Soft defense is purposed to avoid direct attention and accusation and things like that. Starting a bandwagon attracts attention (like Lazermonkey on zen_man) and that would go against your goal with the soft defense. Besides, it was a defense when everyone was attacking. You don't start bandwagons on someone you're defending. On June 10 2012 08:21 ha236 wrote: I do not know which question you are reffering to as there is no questionmark in your previous post in reponse to my post. Just out of curiousity, why do you want to "add some pressure" to me? So you refuse to answer a question because there was no question mark? That's sounds like something grush would do. We have been pressuring grush whole time and solstice caught a "scumtell" that nobody was really acting upon. That's why. Skipped a post cause i already answered earlier in the thread On June 10 2012 08:31 ha236 wrote: Why are you not interested in everyone's opinion of the matter? If you have an opinion, say it. Myself and lazermonkey were active at the time. Solstice already posted his opinion and Grush was being stubborn. On June 10 2012 08:37 ha236 wrote: You criticize my post for not being extremely tilted to one side, whether he is "scummy" or not. Since I did not have such an opinion I posted what I posted. You would rather I posted none of my thoughts? Because I thought mafia was about sharing your opinions and trying to work towards finding out who is who. You never so much as implied scummy or not. Just trying to appear useful. skipped a few that have been dealt with... On June 10 2012 09:17 ha236 wrote: What's the deal with some of the players only caring about the opinions of a few others? It's kind of cute though. again with this useless. If you have an opinion, just say it. Feel free to invite others. I talk to solstice about this cause he was only guy on your ass when everyone else say grush's ass. On June 10 2012 09:18 ha236 wrote: EBWOP: Especially Release and solstice, second time they confront one another in this manner. w/e On June 10 2012 21:56 ha236 wrote: This part stands out to me. You're basing your suspiscion on the fact that solstice and Release have said so? I might have misunderstood this but the reason people think I'm suspicious is because I've softly defended grush. If I havn't allready let me go over it again; I don't think grush is scum. In my opinion there is not enough information to decide this, basically the only thing grush has posted about is trying to defend himself against Release's relentless nitpicking of his posts. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you overestimate the value of that conversation. Anyone in their right minds understands that encouraging the rest of the players to not post (not exposing any information) so you're stuck at square one for the whole game pretty much labels you as mafia instantly. It's way to simple to lynch him because of this. He felt obligied to defend himself since he didn't want to end up in the situation (that he's in now anyway) where he's look suspicious because he hasn't answered peoples questions. dealt with mostly but i noticed you managed to sneak some WIFOM in there, as well as the false claim that grush spends time defending himself. he had plenty of time. On June 11 2012 04:20 ha236 wrote: Your ignorance is hilarious, I've said countless times that I agreed with him on that one point but thought the rest of the post was strange. Why is it you continue to bring this up? Who are you trying to fool? Perhaps you should read what you just quoted/wrote. I said that I cannot decide anything based on that discussion because it doesn't provide enough information for me which is exactly what I've allready said. About the voting... At this my attention is on Release and solstice sseeing as they insist on allways bringing up my post on Lazermonkey, how I contradict myself (which is wrong), and instantly after this I'm #2 on the scum meter? I might be missing something here but the logic behind their decisions are to me very lacking. Also it annoys me when people are stating that others are 100% town because they stick to their opinions? This is the pinnacle of ignorance, there's an expression that goes "Don't judge a book by it's cover" which aplies nicely here. "Sticking to your guns" is what tunneling someone is all about, an informed decision is made by taking information from many sources and analyzing and compiling them to a well thought-out thesis. Ex. Having one source on the source-reference page in an essay will most definately net you an F. Yeah and i agreed with you. So we must both be ignorant right? I merely brought up solstice's point that got you suspicious in the first place. I didn't "always" i brought it up to give my thoughts, then responded to other people's thoughts. Lastly, you defend your wishy-washy behavior. On June 11 2012 04:21 ha236 wrote: EBWOP: ##Vote: s0Lstice completely retarded vote On June 11 2012 04:56 ha236 wrote: Another show of your ignorance, anyway in the quoted post there is nothing about you agreeing with me on the topic we're talking about, rather on the grush topic. Of course you think solstice has been helpful, you and him share the same dumb logic. I am aware that s0Lstice was the first to "raise suspicion" about me and I was sure that someone as superficial as you would comment on that instantly, further proving my point that you havn't come up with any real reason as to why I am suspicious. Up until now my suspicion, based on your dumb logic and lacking reasoning, has been leaning toward solsice, yes, but with this last post I'll have to change my vote to you, as suggested. ##unvote: s0Lstice ##vote: Release On June 10 2012 06:03 Release wrote: To check if this really is Grush's first game is a tremendous waste of time. There are far too many game to check. (i believe we have 55 regular mafias and 15 newb ones.) To me it looks like he is trying to buddy up to grush but i can't be sure of that. I agree; playing the noob card as reasoning is too much assumptions. It looks more like the two quoted posts are strange (and putting words in grush's mouth) but the agreement is that grush has been wishy-washy. I think ha is setting himself to jump on the bandwagon if there is one, or to avoid starting one if there isn't. I agreed with you. Liar. You suspicious because of: poor defense of your-self, refusal to say someone is scum or not, and retarded vote on solstice. On June 11 2012 06:16 ha236 wrote: ##Vote: Release Another retarded vote skipped several because useless/dealt with Go check his filter if you want On June 12 2012 12:09 ha236 wrote: Still waiting for Release to make a defense for any of my posts back at the end of day 1. There's just been mindless blabber in his posts on the night, he openly declines to answer my questions and no one else seems to give a damn? Seems strange to me. I passively declined. more lying. On June 12 2012 23:37 ha236 wrote: It still baffles me that people chose to be so ignorant around Release, he is openly refusing to defend himself against anything I (seeing as I'm the only one pressuring him) have said. That being said I see you all would like some raw opinion so let's take a look at KtheZ: Everyone is giving me crap for not having posted "cases" in a while, has no one looked as KtheZ's filter? There's one or two posts about grush in the very early stages of the game but other than that there's nothing but posts summerizing other peoples opinion's and defending himself against peoples accusations. I by no means think this is a bad thing, but it doesn't give us (or atleast me) alot to go on. There's too few 'post chains' that are actually started by you, meaning your honest, fresh opinion that people can factor in to their reads. passively. it's not bad? Your tone certainly suggested it was bad. More softness. Townies are hard. more useless posts... On June 13 2012 04:29 ha236 wrote: Well, my case is kind of spread out over many posts and since no one even seems to care about raising suspicion towards him I see no reason to compile anything at the moment. so you hide behind your posts and we have to seek them? I going thru your filter and your questions to me took quite a while finding. Why not be clear? You're Wasting my time doing this shit On June 13 2012 04:34 ha236 wrote: Allright, I'll do it on d3 since there are more pressing matters (KtheZ vs grush) atm you certainly need a lot of time to make a case on me when most cases are based on previous thoughts that can be made with a few hours. Also, so what if there is something else? Having one issue doesn't prevent another one from being discussed. And it would raise the activity level, something you seemed very opposed to doing. + Show Spoiler + TL:DR read the whole fucking thing Where's your case on me? D3 is total bullshit. | ||
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On June 13 2012 13:01 Release wrote: We NEED activity. We won't be able to solve this shit by one idea every few hours. if you were roleblocked last night, Please claim now. Grush can't have been roleblocked. I was. Breadcrumb here: On June 12 2012 08:14 ShiaoPi wrote: My god I love these flavour posts  GG solstice (you kind of have a record for being shot night one twice in a row xD) In all seriousness, solstice is confirmed town now, so scratch releases case, We should take a look at the remaining suspects we have right now: ha236, grush57 and KtheZ. after some consideration I would say that we should lynch into on of ha or grush bar something drastic happens. seeing the nighthit on solstice could give some more consideration towards KtheZ, I have the FOS on him anyway. Regarding our plans for the next lynch I would say go with ha236, as he has some connections with grush, with that Bearing in mind his flip will also give us information regarding grush's alignment. eventually we must also look at KtheZ, but let's hear his defense first, his case is definetly not fully fleshed out yet. Thoughts? So come one guys, vote him off... Off to uni now | ||
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1). You claim DT DESPITE being VT. If this is a joke, it's the worst one ever. I can only think of 1 situation where this would be smart, if you want to bait bullets from scum in order to let the real detective get one more garuanteed check off. This is just really risky play and can end up in a real mess if you don't do it correctly. But let's for once think if that's what grush actually wanted to do here. Why would you in that case claim someone to be scum? You are forcing a counterclaim here, which is what happend. A much easier way would probebly be if you claimed someone to be town as there is a much higher chance for someone to be town. 2). When Kthez claims you say that you are a just a townie. Lol? I can get that you wanted to tank bullets but this is a noob game and hoping that noone would counterclaim is stupid. This cannot simply be town play... ##Unvote: Vivax ##Vote: grush57 | ||
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On June 13 2012 02:19 Vivax wrote: Didn't see a claim yet, but if both claim we will nail 1 scum for sure. One hour has passed and still nothing from KTheZ. Grush has been derping around all game long, but KTheZ is surpassing him at it right now. He's either a pretty bad townie or scum denying information. Pretty sloppy from both perspectives to announce he's gonna post something and then leave it unfulfilled. I don't think a scum grush would claim like that without a good reason, he isn't under pressure atm and if KtheZ flips town he's dead anyway. I'm very curious to see if KtheZ actually ends up replying. #unvote ##Vote KTheZ I still wanna hear opinions regarding the 'Lazermonkey vs. me-case'. And now that grush is most likely a townie he can stop playing the minimalist style  Am I the only one who noticed this post? Now I really think grush is the scum. So you think Kthez is the scum because he ''denying info'' but then you say both of them are withholding info (which is were true at the time of this post). Contradiction. ''I don't think a scum grush would claim like that without a good reason, he isn't under pressure atm and if KtheZ flips town he's dead anyway. ''. I know you wrote this before he claimed VT but it seems just like he did this without any reason what so ever. Link to Vivax filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342960&user=171343. He haven't taken a clear stance on grush at all, despite all the action on him. Notice how all of his posts about grush is either summaries of other peoples views or himself and how he thinks grush looks suspicious but probebly shouldn't be lynched but he is willing to lynch if he it comes down to a no lynch. Super wish washy. Doesn't push the case at all. And a perfect setup for a buss in case grush seems to fuck up far too much. Did I just nail the 2 scum here? : D | ||
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On June 13 2012 04:34 ha236 wrote: Allright, I'll do it on d3 since there are more pressing matters (KtheZ vs grush) atm I rather want you to do that now but in case you simply don't have the time I am fine with you posting it on N2, minutes before D3. Because if you get shot, we will have no info by you to go with! | ||
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