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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Just came back.
Can we have a votecount?
Hopefully we already have a majority to lynch grush. If not VOTE NOW!
Regarding scum nr.2 I would say the easiest suspect is ha236. As Lazermonkey pointed out he has been given a freepass to d3 now (unless he gets shot O_o), so please start contributing, I have asked you to do so repeatedly already but now you really have more than enough time.
Naturally if grush should flip town, KtheZ has to go next. Or if he somehow survives n2, he will be on top of my list as well. So my opinion on the 2nd scum right now depends heavily on the coming lynch and the night after.
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Vote Count:
grush57: (4): ShiaoPi, Release, KtheZ, Lazermonkey
KtheZ: (1): Vivax
ha236: (1): grush57
Yet to vote: ha236
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch! grush57 is currently set to be lynched. Day ends in a little under 9 hours.
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So, KtheZ has roleclaimed. There are no other claims out yet, hence it's safe to assume that he really is the DT?
ShiaoPi has been roleblocked, if he speaks the truth then there really is a DT among town.
I've read the case on ha2 and Release went through his posts pretty thoroughly, but we have to set priorities guys, who to vote next?I'm not sure between grush and ha2. We have to make a safe choice or we'll end up LYLO.
Punish grush for his weird, lying and ballsy playstyle or punish ha2 for his perfect lack of cases except for the OMGUS against Release and s0lstice?
##unvote
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United Kingdom36160 Posts
As a reminder to everyone, please make use of the coaching available should you so desire. Our coaches just love to help. Your best bet is Toadesstern as I think wbg is a little busy.
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Right, the reason I said d3 was because I for some reason thought that d2 was going to be 24 hours and at the time it would have been almost deadline.
I looked through Release's filter and to be honest, since the grush discussion I there's only Release answering peoples post, analyzing other peoples reads and some 'useful' one-liners. Most of this I have already wrote about in previous posts so I'll instead post my opinions on some long coveted answers to my questions. Call it OMGUS or w/e, idc.
..and to the bolded statement I know you're thinking this:
so you hide behind your posts and we have to seek them?
I going thru your filter and your questions to me took quite a while finding. Why not be clear? You're Wasting my time doing this shit
I don't care, who's fault is it you didn't bother to read them the first time they were posted? If you'd read what they responded to and analyzed it from the start then you wouldn't have this problem.
You explained it more clearly, called it illogical but does that make him scummy? Or is it just a lack of clarity with in a null/townie post? And why didn't you call this post useless as everyone else seemed to do? Everything is a possibility when we have no information
I may be misunderstanding this but I cannot find anywhere that I state it to be scummy and then I sense a contradiction; you ask why I didn't call the post useless and go on to say that "Everything is a possibility when we have no information" meaning it's better than nothing?
This is your soft-defense of grush (along with the previous post). Posting obvious ideas generate discussion?
There wasn't so much as a plea to talk or a question directed at anyone. Why did you defend him here?
Am I not allowed to defend him, do I need to be answering a question while posting, I can't voice my opinion freely? I didn't think he seemed bad at the time basically.
So you refuse to answer a question because there was no question mark? That's sounds like something grush would do.
ShiaoPi
I did read through your post and I felt obliged to point out something which stood out to me. I am saying that it is not boring as it gives us something to discuss and analyse on in order to go scumhunting. As scumhunting (obviously) takes top priority I do not see how it could be boring to you to get something to work with.
Well, if you had read the post you see that there was no obvious question. ShiaoPi points out a valid point to me but there is nothing that needs answering.
This post is to my not taking a clear stance in earlier posts
You never so much as implied scummy or not.
Just trying to appear useful.
I've adressed this earlier; would you rather I didn't speak anything of my opinions until I have my mind completely fixated on something? Because to me that doesn't seem very helpful to the game. I didn't have that kind of an opinion at the time so I didn't imply anything of the likes.
Yeah and i agreed with you. So we must both be ignorant right?
I merely brought up solstice's point that got you suspicious in the first place.
I agreed with you. Liar.
No matter how hard I try to explain this part it keeps going in circles so I'll just drop it.
I passively declined. more lying.
Passively declining is
i give it to you now: scum
It's so strange right?
OMGUS! OMGUS! OMGUS!
Fos: ha236
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I don't know what you think you got out of these but to me it seems like you were delaying your answers for some reason which I can't for the life of me figure out.
More softness. Townies are hard.
This is some kind of a self-implied rule?
The parts that I've either answered earlier in this post or I see your point and I digress. I've also understood that begging for answers after every post doesn't really get you anywhere so no more of that..
Now to the case at hand - grush, again.
You're roleclaiming left and right to no avail whatsoever, it's only making you look more and more scummy and there hasn't been any heavy reads or analyzes from you in quite some time.
##Vote: grush57
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Herr herrr I'm mafia I'm getting on the grush bandwagon. <3
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grush you realise that you are about to get lynched, right? If you are the townie you claim to be, you should be posting like a fucking madman now. But you aren't. Give us reads and whatever and give us motivations for once...
On June 13 2012 11:11 grush57 wrote:
Okay, so KtheZ is town as I doubt a mafia would fake it, I'm town, Release is town, Lazermonkey is town,so basically the 2 mafia are out of: Shiapo, Vivax and ha236.(3 people left)
Why are you so sure Release is town?
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On June 13 2012 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
As a reminder to everyone, please make use of the coaching available should you so desire. Our coaches just love to help. Your best bet is Toadesstern as I think wbg is a little busy.
This is very true; WBG has personal matters to deal with so contact Toadesstern if in need of advice.
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Because mafia doesn't spam the thread and tunnel. Mafia also don't make clear decisions. I don't know why you are letting ha live right now lol.
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I'm pretty sure that if you lynch me it'll be 3 town to 2 mafia, and then night will make it 2-2, mafia wins sooooooooooooo make the right choice now.
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On June 14 2012 03:08 grush57 wrote:
Because mafia doesn't spam the thread and tunnel. Mafia also don't make clear decisions. I don't know why you are letting ha live right now lol.
Because the DT claim was the worst thing I've ever seen, you made our DT claim, which means he will 99,9% chance die this night. Why would you do this as a townie?
On June 14 2012 03:09 grush57 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if you lynch me it'll be 3 town to 2 mafia, and then night will make it 2-2, mafia wins sooooooooooooo make the right choice now.
Not true. it's 5-2 now, so D3 we will have two MYLOs in case we misslynch.
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On June 12 2012 22:33 Vivax wrote:
I've already responded to s0lstice in defense of my first posts. He also felt my summarizations were needless. If you want answers to your accusations, read spoiler 3 and 4. It pretty much comes down to whether or not you think it's useless if someone posts overviews of town relations.
Which is not what I said either. I said you used this summaries to hide the fact that you weren't takeing a clear stance anywhere...
On June 12 2012 22:33 Vivax wrote:Then you say I didn't give scumreads yet. Just lol, the next spoiler already contains my read, I wonder why you bother criticizing me for something which is disproved in the next thing you mention
You even said youself that Zen_Man was a super easy target. He apeared scummy as fuck so you don't really need to take a risk at all when pushing him. I don't blame you for pushing the misslynching Zen_Man, I did aswell. But don't say that you are taking alot of stances and opinions when the only stance you have ever really taken was on him.On June 12 2012 22:33 Vivax wrote:
I said earlier that I would vote for Zen_Man in case that there was a majority possible on him.
While I was writing that, town was about to lynch ha236.
If I switched my vote at the point you find suspicious cause I didn't do so, then I would have put the town at danger of a no lynch.
Gl the next day with no new information gained except for a nightkill that might allow mafia to make someone look suspicious or get rid of a better townie than the would-have-been-lynched one.A lynch is always better than no lynch,
Zen_Man really appeared scummy. He didn't even claim. It was a solid lynch from a perspective of someone not knowing his alignment, and if he wouldn't have died, he just would have kept the circle of suspects bigger along with town's insecurity.
Okay, I kinda buy this one. Still, you weren't the first one to swap the vote.
On June 12 2012 22:33 Vivax wrote:
That was my defense to your feeble points, now I think you really deserve to be in the spotlight for what I'm about to post:
I still have posted more useful cases than anyone I mentioned in my post above.
I wonder why you suddenly start bothering me and not them. You are giving them incentives to keep lurking, and their lurking is one of the reason I don't have decisive scumreads on them.
That, on the other hand, makes YOU suspicious. When I'm about to call out lurkers, you start accusing me with a really weak case. 'When you can't defend your scumbuddies, discredit their attackers' could be what you're plotting.
/care?
Here is piece of your post that is 100% uneccesary. Once again posting useless material to make it look like you are contributing while you aren't. There are WIFOM here. Also don't make it look like you are townie just because you are calling out lurkers...
On June 12 2012 22:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:33 Vivax wrote:You have also tunneled The_Zen_Man with a rather weak case (as opposed to my case against him). Maybe you knew of his alignment, and maybe you even suspected he could have a blue role. On the other hand, you keep protecting ha236 with words and grush with your behavior, while you completely ignore KtheZ. Haha, this is kinda funny actually. Not only a random insult but also contradiction. You said when posting your own case on Zen_Man that you agreed with alot of things in my case. Why do you agree with a weak case? Don't you think that is a bit scummy? You have a history of tunneling mate, and your posts aren't less wishywashy than what you think of other people's posts, just check this out: + Show Spoiler +On June 11 2012 04:47 Lazermonkey wrote:
So right now, we have not too much time untill lynching. We need to get something done here. With nine players there are 5(Lol) players that have received FoS/Votes unless I'm misstaken. These players are:
grush
Ha236
me(Lazermonkey)
The_Zen_Man
s0Lstice
s0Lstice were also suspicious of KtheZ recently, although no FoS were placed.
We need to know who are willing to vote for who, even if they are not your n1 scumread if we are going to get a decent lynch tonight.
Right now my main scumread is The_Zen_Man but I am also willing to lynch grush. Ha236 has imo given quite solid response to the accusations against him and I'm not very keen on lynching him anymore. I am not sure about either s0lstice and KtheZ yet tho, as their cases were very recently posted. Look how scummy you actually are, even by your own definition. You make a summarization (I used that to prove s0lstice's selective view.) You moderate a lot: 'We need to get something done', 'We need to know who are willing to vote for who' and 'even if they are not your n1 scumread' I highlighted this cause it contradicts the points in your case against me. You say I'm scummy cause I tell who I'm willing to vote for, and then I'm scummy cause I'm not entirely sure of the scumreads on them when I vote. You actually promoted that in your moderation .Not to mention your stances on lynch candidates, the syntax of that part is 'I'm not sure on who to lynch', that's all one can get from what you wrote there.
First of, I don't see the contradiction here. I said I was 100% willing to lynch Zen_Man. I was also willing to lynch grush if that was required in order to gain majority for a lynch. I was not willing to lynch Ha236. Because both the case against s0lstice and the case vs Kthez were quite new at that point, my read on thoose two were very slim. Thus I hadn't decided on if I was willing to lynch thoose two yet. But as the day progressed, it was obvious that none of thoose two were about to be lynched so I simply dropped them and focused on Zen_Man.
Once again, never said that summaries were scummy. You are making that up
Also the differences between this post and yours are huge. This post was made just some hours before lynch and almost noone had dropped their vote at that point. You seem to agree with that no lynch is bad for town. This is what I wanted to stop.Your post on the other hand were posted at the very start of the day. There were no stress in getting the post done. still you claimed you'd be okay with any of the 3 persons getting lynched. Lolwtf? And your arguments for them getting lynched was, as said before, weak and hardly worth a lynch.
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Guys, step up your posting now. Espicially grush. In case you are a townie at least. Only 4 hours untill deadline unless I'm wrong.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Lazer, right now I am more or less just waiting for the flip of grush. Nothing more to say right now, as he will be our lynch today, even if he is a townie his play is soo ridiculously anti-town that we are probably better off without him
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On June 14 2012 04:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
Only 4 hours untill deadline unless I'm wrong.
Yep.
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On June 14 2012 04:37 ShiaoPi wrote:
Lazer, right now I am more or less just waiting for the flip of grush. Nothing more to say right now, as he will be our lynch today, even if he is a townie his play is soo ridiculously anti-town that we are probably better off without him
Considering that if we misslynch, we are at 2 MYLOs I don't really agree here but w/e. I see your point. I might not stay up untill the lynch as I need to get up quite early in the morning tomorrow as I feel everyone is having this mentality right now.
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On June 12 2012 22:33 Vivax wrote:
I said earlier that I would vote for Zen_Man in case that there was a majority possible on him.
While I was writing that, town was about to lynch ha236.
If I switched my vote at the point you find suspicious cause I didn't do so, then I would have put the town at danger of a no lynch.
Gl the next day with no new information gained except for a nightkill that might allow mafia to make someone look suspicious or get rid of a better townie than the would-have-been-lynched one.A lynch is always better than no lynch,
Zen_Man really appeared scummy. He didn't even claim. It was a solid lynch from a perspective of someone not knowing his alignment, and if he wouldn't have died, he just would have kept the circle of suspects bigger along with town's insecurity.
On June 14 2012 04:00 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, I kinda buy this one. Still, you weren't the first one to swap the vote.
Guess why I only quote this. This quoted part is a good example of your way of bad thinking (or acting).
'Vivax doesn't swap his vote first, thus his argument is invalid and he is mafia'.
Yeah sure. Really smart move bro. Read the quote.
There's already the reason why I wasn't among the first to swap, it's cause it might have put the town at risk of a no lynch.
You don't just say: 'I BUY IT', no, you're even so clever to say right next to it: 'BUT YOU'RE SUSPICIOUS CAUSE OF IT'.
And this is how town should look at you after reading this:
   -> + Show Spoiler +
I really hope that other townies recognize how often you are contradicting yourself (within really close textparts!!!) in your desperate attempts to tunnel me.
There are cases promising a ton of information, and while you try to blend in on each of these cases, your main objective remains to tunnel me, throughout a ton of pages. You're incredibly narrowsighted or you seek to spread as much distrust against me as possible.
But I don't mind, once new information pops up I'm sure that I will discover further mistakes in your play. And I'll let you hang if and once I find scumtells there.
Oh and btw. Grush is about to get lynched.
If I don't switch vote now, I risk a no lynch and you'll throw that at me. If I switch vote now, you'll say I bandwagoned.
Know what?Why should I risk a no lynch?I really don't care about what you have to say after all your slips, but you can try and keep tunneling. You better hope you're not the next scum to hang, cause I think that might be very possible.
##vote grush57
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On June 14 2012 04:37 ShiaoPi wrote:
Lazer, right now I am more or less just waiting for the flip of grush. Nothing more to say right now, as he will be our lynch today, even if he is a townie his play is soo ridiculously anti-town that we are probably better off without him
ShiaoPi is confirmed mafia, the question is who else? Probably ha, he doesn't care if a town gets lynched EXCEPT THAT HE WILL LOSE (If he is town(he isn't though)) if a townie gets lynched.
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It's kinda sad mafia already won and there just throwing out scumslips :'(
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