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On May 30 2012 13:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't think hiro is scum because I really doubt scum would overlook shooting a confirmed town just to shoot a DT.
The only explanation for it is that they don't have a roleblocker and they wanted to lock the lynch on hiro. It's one of the oldest scum tactics; when you're in a situation where town will lynch a guy if someone else dies, scum kill the guy and then watch town tear itself apart with no real effort of any kind.
I mean think about it, if hiro is town it's a perfect plan for scum.
Yes, but where does the red check play into this? Do you think Zealos just lucked out into faking a DT check on a miller? or do you think scum framed Hiro?
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I think scum framed Hiro, yes.
If scum framed hiro then it makes total sense that Zealos would call hiro scum (and claim DT at that.)
Obviously the pussy way out is to simply kill hiro. I suppose we can do that if we're lazy and I certainly feel lazy. I just think it's too easy and that scum would probably not kill NT if that was the case.
Maybe I'm just paranoid and this scumteam doesn't know what it's doing. Who knows.
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On May 30 2012 13:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think scum framed Hiro, yes.
If scum framed hiro then it makes total sense that Zealos would call hiro scum (and claim DT at that.)
Obviously the pussy way out is to simply kill hiro. I suppose we can do that if we're lazy and I certainly feel lazy. I just think it's too easy and that scum would probably not kill NT if that was the case.
Maybe I'm just paranoid and this scumteam doesn't know what it's doing. Who knows.
but that means scum framed hiro 2 nights in a row as NT dt checked him the night AFTER zealos's claim
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Navillus has been up and down this whole game. He sheeped along the VE lynch. Been hard for me to read. Same goes for Tunkeg, though his posting is always a roller coaster. But given recent events I find it likely one of them is mafia, along with Mattchew.
Mattchew has been plain bad from the start. He came into the game with his quotes and completely ignoring confrontation with other players. He hasn't been giving any reads or making any cases. He cracked and started posting normally again and attacking his attackers.
On May 25 2012 06:40 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 06:36 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2012 06:30 Mattchew wrote:
ps. its not my fault if you couldn't understand my posts when i was using flavor, I made the message in each one pretty fucking simple and usually revolving around one or two words Because a one or two word opinion is worth everything? What do you think of this guy? townie. What about him? stupid. Who is scum and with what reasoning? Mr moobumballs because the sun is low in the sky. Great. You cannot possible be this fucking stupid, the entirety of day 1 I pushed mouldy jeb, I guess now I wish I had pushed someone else, but I don't think any of my reasoning was flawed (I mean why would a townie knowingly die and not give ANY reads)... This is because i thought he was scum and we only have 1 lynch. At night I gave my overall reads incase i were to die. Shut the fuck out up about being unclear, you have more meaningless one liners than I do dipshit
This is a blatant contradiction and the start of his posts that show he is trying to take credit for things he did not accomplish. He only pushed Mouldy Jeb when using the quotes. And we all know him using quotes accomplished nothing for the town. When he stopped using quotes, he immediately focused on the people who were suspicious of him (myself, Tunkeg, Marvellosity, etc). He also attacked VE. If you look at his filter, he doesn't justify any of those accusations. It's more along the lines of, "this person is stupid for voting me. Therefore they are mafia." Pretty sound logic there. He also defended Zealos and the end of day 1 and into day 2. He used the quotes day 1 so he could subtely push a lynch and not be accountable for it. Then he just started attacking anyone who was suspicious of him. Also, he was very adamant about killing zelblade, but hasn't said a word about him in over a day.
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On May 30 2012 14:52 Katina wrote:Navillus has been up and down this whole game. He sheeped along the VE lynch. Been hard for me to read. Same goes for Tunkeg, though his posting is always a roller coaster. But given recent events I find it likely one of them is mafia, along with Mattchew. Mattchew has been plain bad from the start. He came into the game with his quotes and completely ignoring confrontation with other players. He hasn't been giving any reads or making any cases. He cracked and started posting normally again and attacking his attackers. Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 06:40 Mattchew wrote:On May 25 2012 06:36 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2012 06:30 Mattchew wrote:
ps. its not my fault if you couldn't understand my posts when i was using flavor, I made the message in each one pretty fucking simple and usually revolving around one or two words Because a one or two word opinion is worth everything? What do you think of this guy? townie. What about him? stupid. Who is scum and with what reasoning? Mr moobumballs because the sun is low in the sky. Great. You cannot possible be this fucking stupid, the entirety of day 1 I pushed mouldy jeb, I guess now I wish I had pushed someone else, but I don't think any of my reasoning was flawed (I mean why would a townie knowingly die and not give ANY reads)... This is because i thought he was scum and we only have 1 lynch. At night I gave my overall reads incase i were to die. Shut the fuck out up about being unclear, you have more meaningless one liners than I do dipshit This is a blatant contradiction and the start of his posts that show he is trying to take credit for things he did not accomplish. He only pushed Mouldy Jeb when using the quotes. And we all know him using quotes accomplished nothing for the town. When he stopped using quotes, he immediately focused on the people who were suspicious of him (myself, Tunkeg, Marvellosity, etc). He also attacked VE. If you look at his filter, he doesn't justify any of those accusations. It's more along the lines of, "this person is stupid for voting me. Therefore they are mafia." Pretty sound logic there. He also defended Zealos and the end of day 1 and into day 2. He used the quotes day 1 so he could subtely push a lynch and not be accountable for it. Then he just started attacking anyone who was suspicious of him. Also, he was very adamant about killing zelblade, but hasn't said a word about him in over a day.
I attack VE? I thought he was being stupid, not scummy.
I attack marv? I thought his reasoning and logic was wrong, I was wrong. I never called him scum I don't believe.
I attack you? I have called you stupid and useless, because its the truth. I have openly debated to myself if a townie (cause i have other scum reads than you) can be this bad
I think I might have been wrong about zelblade, TBH the zealos lynch made me re-read everything. I have only attacked logic and argument.
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Australia901 Posts
No we are killing hiro today and heres why.
If I am right and scum has no power roles, killing N_T asap is a pirority due to how much damage he had the potential to wreck. Lets say froggy died and we lynched hiro today. What that means is that bugs would be near confirmed, AND there is another check, AND N_T is confirmed.
In case you dont know what that means is that there on D4 if this situation occurs, we would enter with 2 confirmed town in a 4v2, possibly even a confirmed scum.
If I was scum I would just sac hiro. I mean, look at this. We are wifoming ourselves out of this lynch based on the notion that it is supposedly a bad move for scum, and I dont think it is one, simply due to how much damage N_T would have done if we lynched hiro and he flipped scum.
I will post more reasons for my vote later, going to bathe now.
##vote: Hiropro
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Australia901 Posts
It also happens to be really likely that scum would be able to save hiro. Insert a few doubts here, wifom it up a little there, and only 2 townies would need to vote wrong, which isnt that unlikely.
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On May 30 2012 14:18 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 13:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think scum framed Hiro, yes.
If scum framed hiro then it makes total sense that Zealos would call hiro scum (and claim DT at that.)
Obviously the pussy way out is to simply kill hiro. I suppose we can do that if we're lazy and I certainly feel lazy. I just think it's too easy and that scum would probably not kill NT if that was the case.
Maybe I'm just paranoid and this scumteam doesn't know what it's doing. Who knows. but that means scum framed hiro 2 nights in a row as NT dt checked him the night AFTER zealos's claim
nah that's not necessarily true.
Scum only had to frame him n2 because zealos died d2. The suspicion on hiro would be on n2. Scum weren't trying to make hiro look like scum until d2.
Anyway if you guys are not willing to lynch navillus then I'll go with hiro.
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kk let's just do this. I'm tired and I'm willing to go with the check.
##vote Hiropro
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There is a simple explantion for why we should lynch Hiro Pro, and that is we are at LYLO, and will be at LYLO for the rest of the game. We will be WIFOM'ing about Hiro Pro each day until the end, and we are basicly forced to lynch him eventually. If we are to lynch him we should do it immediatly. This way the games end today if Hiro by some odd chance is miller or was framed, and we don't waste our time in a game that scum have got won 90%.
Am I resigned. Hell yeah. I have been resigned since the VE flip. To me everyone of you could easily be scum for different reasons (except froggy).
And none of the remaining players have been very usefull in this game, and have conviced me they are town. Not even WBG, who could easily lead a scumteam by being the most active after this town imploded, have done anything truly beneficial to town.
We have to go for the easy solution. We have to kill Hiro, because he has a DT check on him, and that is a way better read than we (or at least) I) will come up with on anyone else in this game.
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You rang Hiro?
As much as I love seeing that picture <3 the votes for your lynch are staking up on you and this is supposed to be your great defense with the day ticking down? I think you should rethink that strategy.
I agree with the arguements against you and after looking at your filter I see that the possibilty of you flipping scum is pretty good. Restating all the reasons why you should be lynched would be just repeating what everyone else has said within the last page or two.
On May 30 2012 21:19 Tunkeg wrote:
There is a simple explantion for why we should lynch Hiro Pro, and that is we are at LYLO, and will be at LYLO for the rest of the game. We will be WIFOM'ing about Hiro Pro each day until the end, and we are basicly forced to lynch him eventually. If we are to lynch him we should do it immediatly. This way the games end today if Hiro by some odd chance is miller or was framed, and we don't waste our time in a game that scum have got won 90%.
Am I resigned. Hell yeah. I have been resigned since the VE flip. To me everyone of you could easily be scum for different reasons (except froggy).
And none of the remaining players have been very usefull in this game, and have conviced me they are town. Not even WBG, who could easily lead a scumteam by being the most active after this town imploded, have done anything truly beneficial to town.
We have to go for the easy solution. We have to kill Hiro, because he has a DT check on him, and that is a way better read than we (or at least) I) will come up with on anyone else in this game.
I would like to bring attention to the bolded parts. So basically you are admitting that you are being useless and not caring about the town. That's really great Tunkeg, I'm sure if you would have had the mind set in the beginning of the game we would killed off all the Mafia by now. Anyone could be Mafia? No way! Thanks for letting us know. I'm not sure why you would be resigning yet... The town still has a chance to win this. You are spreading around negativity and that's really not a good thing to do if you are supposed to be town.
I really like the "Eh, I'm feeling lazy let's just kill this guy so I don't have to do work" persona that everyone has seemed to find themselves in. The game isn't over yet guys...
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We really should lynch Mattchew though.
The guy has been painfully scummy from the start. I have made multiple accusations and cases against but everyone has completely ignored his actions. Basically his overall defense is "I know you are but what am I?" "You're stupid" derp derp derp. We have wasted our time going after people that have been half as scummy as Mattchew while completely overlooking the big red bullseye drawn all over his face.
I bet he could have a name tage saying "I'm Mattchew and I'm Mafia" and people would still overlook it.
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On May 31 2012 03:16 Katina wrote:
We really should lynch Mattchew though.
The guy has been painfully scummy from the start. I have made multiple accusations and cases against but everyone has completely ignored his actions. Basically his overall defense is "I know you are but what am I?" "You're stupid" derp derp derp. We have wasted our time going after people that have been half as scummy as Mattchew while completely overlooking the big red bullseye drawn all over his face.
I bet he could have a name tage saying "I'm Mattchew and I'm Mafia" and people would still overlook it.
Could you post these imaginary cases? I would like to read them
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I have already responded to you Mattchew.
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Okay well I definitely think we should leave it on hiro, he is absolutely our closest to confirmed scum and we're at lylo. Moreover I don't even really see what WBG is saying about how scum should have killed froggy, I was under the impression that DTs are pretty good and letting a claimed DT live is in general a pretty bad move for the scumteam, even if he's not necessarily believed at the moment. Also Hiro's here and he's not trying to push the lynch away, if he were town then he would know that this lynch going through is game-over we lose, but instead we get... a picture.
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The only reason I can see for scum not killing froggy is that they have no roleblocker.
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can someone else tell katina she never made a case on me and that my only defense has not been calling people stupid?
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On May 31 2012 04:46 Mattchew wrote:
can someone else tell katina she never made a case on me and that my only defense has not been calling people stupid?
Katina is right about you. But she only see the speck of sawdust in others eyes, while she completely ignores the plank in her own. But thats like most of the players on TL Mafia anyways, every single one is infallible, and everyone else is useless. I know I am useless, but at least I haven't been as useless as Katina this game, I will name her runner up for MVP scum (if she flips town that is) behind VE.
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On May 31 2012 03:50 Navillus wrote:
Okay well I definitely think we should leave it on hiro, he is absolutely our closest to confirmed scum and we're at lylo. Moreover I don't even really see what WBG is saying about how scum should have killed froggy, I was under the impression that DTs are pretty good and letting a claimed DT live is in general a pretty bad move for the scumteam, even if he's not necessarily believed at the moment. Also Hiro's here and he's not trying to push the lynch away, if he were town then he would know that this lynch going through is game-over we lose, but instead we get... a picture.
Yes, amazing logic we have right here. Irritated hiro posts a picture; therefore he's not trying and must be scum. Lol, it's not hard to see why we're at lylo.
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