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Agreed with Mattchew on this.
Katina, normally your reads as town are good but you do almost nothing to establish yourself as town. You push your cases very weakly and for the most part ignore town discussion that has nothing to do with your targets specifically. This makes you look scummy. I feel like in liar game you didn't do that as much, but in this game it's far more prominent. (as a note: you do it as scum too)
I think the only time you mentioned Zealos, for example, was like two hours from deadline. That's very scummy, since any scum can come in at that point when the lynch is secured and then tack on a vote, as it doesn't even matter. The other problem is that you refused to acknowledge evidence that Nova was town. If you noticed I got a town read on nova within about 3-4 hours of attacking him in d1. You, on the other hand, kept up that tunnel throughout day 1, day 2, and day 3. That's a huge waste of time and incredibly antitown.
Now you do the same with Mattchew who I believe to be town. Since normally your reads are very good and at the very least you are open to a change of opinion I don't think you can be town this game.
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I don't fail to scum hunt or verify myself as town.
Lack of effort? No at all. I make accusations against people, I will admit my case making skills are still in the works. You didn't do anything in day one because you were posting in quotes. You made a case against zelblade (who's still alive in case you forgot) but never followed up on it or tried to get him lynched. Futhermore, you have ignored him since night 1 completely. It's for these reasons I think you are Mafia and I'm going to keep pushing you because you never respond to what I say about you instead you just claim I don't have a case. So until you respond and refute my arguements which you can't because they are all facts about your play this game I'm going to keep pushing you.
I made a case against N_T because he was being inconsistent and not scumhunting. Instead he was trying to defend himself all the time. Futhermore he was active day 1 and then somewhat disappeared day 2. This can be seen in his post count. Of course his spammy attitude was not helping the town either. This is why I made the case against him and tried to get him killed. Yeah I was wrong about him but I'm sure that you are scum. I didn't say I thought Nav was scum for voting for Hiro. I just said he was suspicious. I thought Tunkeg was scum because of his behavoir and attitude this past day. I just made a observation about how the votes for Hiro piled on and I found it suspicious how it happened. That's why I brought attention to it.
So no, you cannot say that I have not taken part in discussion. I have said who I think is Mafia, I give reasons, and I have been consistent and you have not.
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WBG:
I take in everything that is presented and consider it when I'm looking at who's scum and who's town. My opinions have changed with other players such as Zealos, Nav, VE, etc throughout the course of the game. I stuck to my reads on N_T and followed it until he was shot. I didn't believe his claim and I said so in the thread. You cannot use the fact that I was wrong about N_T as reason for lynching me. Just like how town lynched me in jubjub for thinking Kurumi was innocent.
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These are things that don't have a scum agenda... I haven't forgotten about zelblade I have been pushing other stronger reads due to re-evaluations after deadlines... This isn't a scum tell at all... Nt was less spammy which was a scum tell but his spamminess was bad for town? Your logic is baffling.... You push your reads and thought process with 1liners and 1 reason for people being scum... Your only 2 reads and "cases" are wrong this game because they are incomplete and lazy... I say lazy because you seem to think having 1 reason for someone being scum is enough
I mean you can think you scum hunt and verify yourself as town all you want but the truth of the matter is that you are consistently mislynched by townies meaning you are not doing a good job of this despite your thoughts on the matter
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On June 01 2012 03:47 Katina wrote:
I don't fail to scum hunt or verify myself as town.
Lack of effort? No at all. I make accusations against people, I will admit my case making skills are still in the works. You didn't do anything in day one because you were posting in quotes. You made a case against zelblade (who's still alive in case you forgot) but never followed up on it or tried to get him lynched. Futhermore, you have ignored him since night 1 completely. It's for these reasons I think you are Mafia and I'm going to keep pushing you because you never respond to what I say about you instead you just claim I don't have a case. So until you respond and refute my arguements which you can't because they are all facts about your play this game I'm going to keep pushing
I made a case against N_T because he was being inconsistent and not scumhunting. Instead he was trying to defend himself all the time. Futhermore he was active day 1 and then somewhat disappeared day 2. This can be seen in his post count. Of course his spammy attitude was not helping the town either. This is why I made the case against him and tried to get him killed. Yeah I was wrong about him but I'm sure that you are scum. I didn't say I thought Nav was scum for voting for Hiro. I just said he was suspicious. I thought Tunkeg was scum because of his behavoir and attitude this past day. I just made a observation about how the votes for Hiro piled on and I found it suspicious how it happened. That's why I brought attention to it.
So no, you cannot say that I have not taken part in discussion. I have said who I think is Mafia, I give reasons, and I have been consistent and you have not.
•Sigh• If you'd posted like this earlier and consistently I would never be leading a lynch against you. I'm also suspecting mattchew and I think you have a point about him, particularly as he just had a minor scumslip (quote to follow). Unfortunately I think it's too little too late.
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On June 01 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote:
This is postgame discussion but no one else is talking so w.e
Katina, if you are town, it would be a complete reflection on your play. Scum isn't shooting you because you are playing poorly and you are an easy mislynch. You are being mislynched in LYLO because you are failing to hunt scum and/or verify yourself as town.
The complete lack of effort, and the arrogance in your play this game is what is leading to your lynch. I think you are scum because you have failed to come up with an actual case (and if you are town and you truly believe you have made cases then you need to reconsider this as well) despite telling people over and over that you have.
You have failed to partake in any discussion longer than, "he's scum, he's not scum", you're reasoning for people being scum is lazy as hell (Examples: NT was scum because he said that he was town, I am scum cause I posted in flavor text, Me/Tunk/Nav are all scum for voting Hiro) All of these are terrible and completely illogical as scum tells.
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EBWOP: Obviously you qualified that paragraph but I still find the phrasing odd.
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it is also qualified in relation to me also discussing her previous mislynches froggy
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Also, do you believe what she is saying to be true, or do you just believe it to be well said.
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I am suspicious of you. I'd rather not discuss anything other than Katina's lynchuntil game tomorrow.
I do agree with your comments regarding her play.
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Hey Katina, looks like you are getting offed. Looks like you were the most useless afterall...
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On June 01 2012 06:37 Tunkeg wrote:
Hey Katina, looks like you are getting offed. Looks like you were the most useless afterall...
hey scum, if katina flips town this was not a scum win as much as a town loss
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On June 01 2012 06:37 Tunkeg wrote:
Hey Katina, looks like you are getting offed. Looks like you were the most useless afterall...
You think she's just useless? Not scum?
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On June 01 2012 06:46 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 06:37 Tunkeg wrote:
Hey Katina, looks like you are getting offed. Looks like you were the most useless afterall... You think she's just useless? Not scum?
he is scum, he's just rubbing it in
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On June 01 2012 06:46 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 06:37 Tunkeg wrote:
Hey Katina, looks like you are getting offed. Looks like you were the most useless afterall... You think she's just useless? Not scum?
I think she is beyond useless, and thats why she is getting lynched. She could very well be scum, I wouldn't know. Thats why I voted Hiro, who have a confirmed DT check on him.
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Final Votecount
HiroPro (2): Navillus, Tunkeg,
Mattchew (1): Katina
Katina (5): froggynoddy, Mattchew, Hiropro, wherebugsgo, zelblade
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i think we lose. no last second switch is not the best omen
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Night 4
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Artanis felt he was winning. He got GreYMisT down to 2HP, and decided it was time to play a goblin by the name of Katina to finish the job. GreYMisT had all his lands tapped and no creatures out, so Artanis expected himself to be victorious. However, suddenly GreYMisT started laughing as he discarded a card and played Force of Will. Katina was sent to the graveyard, and Artanis was left contemplating his next move.
Katina the Mafia Goon has been killed!
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Mafia Goon- One of the newest recruits to the mafia, you are here to visit vengeance on the town. You have no special powers outside the regular mafia powers. Now destroy these fledgling fools, make them see the power of the mafia! Your team consists of [Pull a Mattchew here]
It is now Night! You have 24 hours to send in your night actions.
+ Show Spoiler +Also, apologies for not posting a vote count when asked. I was sleeping until 10 minutes before the deadline.
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EPT
