EPThegeo (2): Release, Mordanis
Mufaa (2): Miltonkram, hegeo
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch. Voting ends in 10 hours. Yet to vote: Mufaa, Solstice, sciberbia, O.golden_ne, ShiaoPi.
Current FoS Count:
Many. I don't really count these obviously.
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
hegeo (2): Release, Mordanis Mufaa (2): Miltonkram, hegeo With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch. Voting ends in 10 hours. Yet to vote: Mufaa, Solstice, sciberbia, O.golden_ne, ShiaoPi. Current FoS Count: Many. I don't really count these obviously. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
Hegeo/Me/Mordanis/sciberia and solstice/golden/milton/shiaoPi. I am inclined to believing that dividing our attention has been the Mafia's strat all along because as it stands, we are likely to get 2 people with 3 votes each, 2 people with 1 vote each, and then Mufaa's vote. Regardless of how Mufaa votes, we don't get a lynch. I have to admit guilt: Up until this point, i have been giving the solstice/golden/milton/shiaoPi case secondary focus (from being too focused on Hegeo). I recommend that everyone take a look at the other case and we work as one unit, rather than two. Also, get your votes off Mufaa. He will be replaced/modkilled if he doesn't do crap. Otherwise, we can lynch him D2. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 22 2012 16:02 Miltonkram wrote: Hey all, just got in from work. I'll wait on pressuring people to see who is a lurker or inactive, but I'm hoping that won't be a big issue. People who still haven't posted since the Day 1 post: -Golden -hegeo -ShiaoPi I'd really like these three players to check in at the very least, if not start to put some information out there. Makes a post to exclude himself from the lurkers when he doesn't provide anything useful. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2012 16:25 Miltonkram wrote: Release- I like the way you're starting out this game. If we are going to catch scum we need to be aggressive about it. Don't worry too much about the tone of your posts. sciberbia's post does seem a bit suspicious. He repeats his ideas several times in different ways to make it look like he's putting out more info than he actually is. It seems quite scummy to me. Mordanis- Don't get too offended by aggressive behavior. If mafia doesn't actually think that a little pressure will lead to a lynch, then why should they answer any questions at all? We need to make sure that people are held accountable to what they say. sciberbia- What do you have to say about the accusations pointed at you? There's quite a bit of fluffy information in your post. Let's try to keep the conversation more focused on who might be scum, everything else is secondary. Repeats ideas already mentioned and seems perfectly content to let Sciberia take some heat. This is very early so this post probably helped generate discussion but again, it wasn't anything new to us. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2012 19:55 Miltonkram wrote: This'll be my last post for a little while seeing as getting sleep is kind of important. ShiaoPi- While sciberbia's posting content was a bit suspect, I wouldn't read too much into his absence. He did state in his post that he was about to get some sleep. Let's hear what he has to say. Golden- This early in the game I think any town reads are going to be weak, so I don't see much value in posting them. We have to remember that mafia have 90% of the information here. Posting town reads can just cut into the 10% that they don't know. If there is a time when it's important that we post such information (e.g. we think we're about to die, we think the town is about to mislynch) then by all means post it, but right now is not one of those crucial times. The 10% they don't know is the roles which townie/scum reads doesn't give them. You appear to be trying to trick us into stopping the townies from spreading useful information. + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 06:16 Miltonkram wrote: Sciberbia- I don't really see a whole lot wrong with what I've posted. Everything I've written, including my suspicions of you, was with the goal to generate discussion. With that being said, admittedly I wasn't active at scumhunting because of the lack of information to work from. With the discussion generated I think there is finally enough info for me to start making cases. I'm currently reading through people's filters and making notes on them. I'll post again soon with my scum reads. I'm getting more and more confident that I have a couple solid cases to make. seems kind of like an excuse for a scum slip to me. This is very vague and you don't seem to have a goal with this post. + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 06:53 Miltonkram wrote: Alright, I've got a case that I think has some merit. s0Lstice Note that I'm not complaining about his suspicions of me. I think his suspicions are actually a good townie move. His statement about accusations and defense is really good too. This first post is consistent with good townie play. However, an hour later, without even waiting for my defense he posts: My point is he should have kept pressuring me. I realize that he misread my post somewhat, but he uses that last line of text to look like he's still pressuring me in some way. I think a townie would leave the FOS on me until I've actually done something to defend myself. Right now it seems like he's trying to apply just enough pressure to appear town, without actually committing to it. That's consistent with scum play in my eyes. ##FOS: s0Lstice This post is interesting because Solstice does look inconsistent with his play. Milton calls him out but he doesn't posting this now cause ran out of time. Will continue. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
At this point, SOlstice's defense appears to be much more solid than your accusations, which is saying something because accusations are typed without pressure whereas defenses are typed under pressure. + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 08:16 Miltonkram wrote: I already had suspicions of ShiaoPi, but his latest "defense" just makes him feel more scummy in my eyes. At this point ShiaoPi seems like he is just treading water. I think he's either bad town or panicking mafia. Please note the sections that I have bolded in his quote. He never addresses the fact that he's being attacked because his posts lack content. He keeps trying to focus attention on other players as a means of defending himself, rather than actually defending himself with content. Then he makes a list of active players, in order to make himself look like he's accomplishing something. How much does that list actually accomplish? If you look over his filter, how many people has he actually put real pressure on? He put some very weak pressure on hegeo, only after Mordanis pressured him first. He's been gunning for Mufaa, a very easy player to gun for since he's lurking like crazy. @ s0Lstice- Thank you for clearing up why you were suspicious of me. I'm still not sure you're town, but at the very least that clears up some of my suspicions. For now I'm lessening my focus on you and shifting it to ShiaoPi. ##unFOS: s0Lstice ##FOS: ShiaoPi Plucking at straws. He realizes that his arguement against solstice is fruitless so he points the torch at ShaoPi. He concerns over defense when SHaoPi aims towards pointing out scum. In Mafia, pointing out scum is more valuable than hugging fellow townies. Why wouldn't you want him to point out scum? If he has a stronger case than your case against him, the town will lynch for his case, rather than yours, thus providing a strong defense. Your post is illogical. The rest of the post is useless filler. + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 08:34 Miltonkram wrote: Also, I think it's time we light a fire under Mufaa to get him posting. @ Mufaa- If you want me to change my vote for you, you better get in here and start posting. It's really hard to have good town play if even one person is lurking. ##Vote: Mufaa This is something I think everyone should keep in mind. We only have one player who is hardcore lurking. That means we have at least one mafia who is staying fairly active in the thread. I need some more time to think this line of thought through (What kind of active town benefits a mafia? What can we do to prevent that kind of town from happening?), but it's good to keep in mind when reading through a player's filter. pure crap. Voting for the lurker on D1 is never a good idea when there are obvious scum targets at hand. Very wishy-washy with his constant change in thought. Trying to confuse the town? i'll stop here because i ran out of time for real this time, but if i had to switch away from Hegeo, you would be my next target. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Let's get some of my thoughts out: First of regarding my suspcions on s0lstice: In my opinion he is constantly trying to overemphasize my attack on him instead of clearing the accusation. If you go to that particular post, I do in fact answer his main argument, which was concerning my stance on sciberbia, then I went on to attack him. Reading through his response I came to the conclusion that either he can not understand my point of view or does not want to. Both of these attributes are not really helpful to us. Either it's bad townie play or it is scummy play to get a bandwagon starting on me. For now I will stop responding to you, s0lstice since our quarrel has degenerated to something close to OMGUS and does not give us any more information, you refuse to budge from your stance I refuse to move from mine. As Golden wants a clearer list on my suspicions on him here goes: -His first post without fluff is sharing a list of reads. There is nothing wrong with that but I feel that his seemingly random choice to call me out appears as an attempt to seemingly contribute without doing much. -I agree with him that my play until now has not been flawless, but him increasing the pressure without more "evidence" strikes me as suspicious. -His argumentation against me started with lack of content and filter size. I pointed out the flaws in it and just get tunneled harder. If you go through his filter you will see that he lacks content as well (besides tunneling me). This is a contradiction of his own logic --> fishy. -He continually pressures me without reacting to parts of my counter-pressure on him. Hopefully that helps others as well. Concerning Milton: Golden brings up some good points on him and Milton has promised for a while now to deliver something more in detail regarding his stance on me. To me him switching his FOS appeared as bandwagoning on someone already under pressure, while voting for Mufaa. This is a move I do not understand. If he wants to increase the pressure on me he should just vote me instead of going after our well known lurker, who has already been called out multiple times. Notable is alos that he ignored my responses to his FOS on me. Seems like a lot of inconsistent play, adding weight on to Golden's post. The above two paragraphs should be enough to clarify my opinions on Milton and solstice. Regarding the case on hegeo: I'll probably just repeat myself but nothing of his posts screams scum to me. It could very well be bad townie play. In addition to my critique on him earlier I also want to point out that his vote on Mufaa is outright not helpful. Several people have already called him out and by his lack of responses we can dedcut that he will either get modkilled come the nightpost or we will lynch him day 2. No reason to vote him off, if there are other more informative targets around. Still I won't vote for him now, because I believe it to be possible that we got a case of bad townie. If push comes to shove and we lack a vote on him and would have a no-lynch he will have my vote, as I already stated that in my opinion no-lynches are utterly stupid for town. I will probably wait with my vote until I see more from Milton/solstice. Something more from hegeo would not be wrong either. Lastly regarding Mufaa: I already said, lynch him tomorrow if he is still not modkilled by then. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
I just went through everyone's filter and wrote down who I think each person's primary targets are. It seems to me that there are exactly three people who have a realistic chance of being lynched today: miltonkram, hegeo, and shiaopi I ask that we concentrate our discussion on these three people. We need 5 out of a likely 8 votes to be cast on the same person, and mafia are not likely to cooperate, so I agree with Release that we really need to come together as a group and make the decision here. I really would like to hear everyone's brief opinions on these three players specifically, and maybe it will become obvious who our consensus lynch target is. For me: 1) Milton - most scummy 2) hegeo - definitely suspicous 3) shiaopi - a bit supsicious, i'm kinda undecided You can be assured I will vote for whichever of these three we as a group decide is most likely to be mafia. I'll be online until the deadline. | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
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United States893 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
What are your current opinions on milton, hegeo, and shiaopi? | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
Also, hegeo and milton, get your votes off Mufaa and on either Milton or Hegeo. It would be best to vote ASAP so we can hammer out as many cases and see if there is a reputable defense. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
ShiaoPi seems to be their deflection target. Not to say that he is above suspicion, but the other two have done so so little to actually contribute to finding scum. Another thing to look at is who the other scum is: as i've already said, my opinion is Hegeo + Milton. However, i still have my suspicion on the whole 'divide the game into two games' scenario. I need to look as to who was the main contributor to this type of play. I recommend you do too because this has clearly slowed us down tremendously. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
I've already explained my line of reasoning. My pressure on s0Lstice was a mistake on my part, simple as that. I'm willing to switch my vote on Mufaa, since I think he will be replaced/modkilled. All people had been saying up to that point in time amounted to, "Mufaa, we'd really like to hear from you." I wanted to see if he would make a response to some real pressure. I think we can agree that voting for someone is the most pressure you can put on them. At the time I was trying to do two things at once, pressure ShiaoPi and pressure Mufaa. I guess I didn't make it clear what I was doing. Also, I hadn't considered this: ---snip Also, get your votes off Mufaa. He will be replaced/modkilled if he doesn't do crap. Otherwise, we can lynch him D2. He's guaranteed to be lynched D2 if he does pop in to vote, so I won't concern myself with him anymore. My top scumread is still ShiaoPi. Essentially, he plays scum exactly how I would. His entire D1 posts have been pretty wishy-washy and noncommittal, allowing him freedom later in the game because he hasn't actually tied himself strongly to the information or accusations in any of his posts. With that in mind let's look at his first post. + Show Spoiler + Just came back from university. First of all we should definetly go for a lynch, no-lynch is (at least in my opinion) utter nonsense. Regarding Lurkers, I believe that they should be put under suspicion especially in a 9 player setup. I was in the same game as mufaa and lurking screwed us over pretty badly in a 13 player game. I must say I really like release's approach until now, we won't get anything worthwhile from just being nice to each other. Pressuring is a great way to get some more information and should be utilizied. The only slightly suspicious thing until now was sciberbia's long post and his absence since then, but until he responds there is nothing to make of it. Here's what he does, he compliments the most active player early on (Release) and talks about playstyle. Then he adds some weak suspicions toward sciberbia. Suspicion that he can easily back down from, and that certainly isn't breaking any new ground. Wait, doesn't this sound a lot like another early post? + Show Spoiler + Release- I like the way you're starting out this game. If we are going to catch scum we need to be aggressive about it. Don't worry too much about the tone of your posts. sciberbia's post does seem a bit suspicious. He repeats his ideas several times in different ways to make it look like he's putting out more info than he actually is. It seems quite scummy to me. Mordanis- Don't get too offended by aggressive behavior. If mafia doesn't actually think that a little pressure will lead to a lynch, then why should they answer any questions at all? We need to make sure that people are held accountable to what they say. sciberbia- What do you have to say about the accusations pointed at you? There's quite a bit of fluffy information in your post. Let's try to keep the conversation more focused on who might be scum, everything else is secondary. That's right, his entire first post is a rehash of one of my first posts. A post I made before him. If my first post wasn't breaking any new ground, his certainly wasn't. It seems a good way to blend in with the crowd without sticking his neck out there. He goes on to immediately back down from his pressure with this post. + Show Spoiler + Maybe I should have rephrased my post on the suspicions towards you Sciberbia: I was not that much concerned about your absence but just on the amount of seemingly "useless" things within the post. Don't see anything wrong with your elaborations on it now. Here we get the first taste of ShiaoPi's tactic. He pressures someone and then states, "Oh, I wasn't actually pressuring you." It seems like a good way to blend in while also "contributing" as scum. This is just the first instance of his noncommittal aggression. Let's look at his suspicions of hegeo. + Show Spoiler + [quote]I am unsure what to make of hegeo. The one thing which seems suspicious to me is his timing after being called out, the other stuff could easily be bad townie or careful day 1 play. Seeing that I am getting flak for my style it is easy to see why he gets thoroughly investigated now. What stands out from his posts is the analytical part. It seems to be lacking solidity to make the longer posts which he does not really support (see: + Show Spoiler +) Basing from this statement he must himself believe to have solid cases going with his "wall of texts", but in my opinion they are not solid at all.[quote] Once again this is "suspicion" that he doesn't actually have to commit to, and he hopes he won't be held accountable for. I would ask you all this, who would be more damaging as scum? The actions I've taken in the game have all been actions that I've committed to. (barring the mistake I made with s0Lstice, but that was just me being dumb.) You can actually tie me to what I've written and hold me accountable later in the game, whereas ShiaoPi seems to have some sort of "escape clause" in almost every single one of his posts. The only thing he's been adamant about has been his FOS of s0Lstice, and that pressure has a built in escape to it, seeing as he can excuse himself by saying that s0Lstice had pressured him first. Anyway, what are people's thoughts on this? Seeing as I'll be away for an hour or two I'm going to go ahead and vote. ##unVote: Mufaa ##Vote: ShiaoPi | ||
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hegeo
Germany194 Posts
All I can say for now is, that people should please look at my filter and ask yourself if you think I made my cases and if I tried to hide anythinf. I don't think shiaopi is scum, I stated it after he answered (cant quote atm so sorry, look it up). Be sure that I will not vote for mufaa in the end. Just tried to get him to post, I stated it at least three times before I voted. (From my phone so short, sorry) | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 22:30 marvellosity wrote: Current Vote Count: hegeo (2): Release, Mordanis Mufaa (2): Miltonkram, hegeo With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch. Voting ends in 10 hours. Yet to vote: Mufaa, Solstice, sciberbia, O.golden_ne, ShiaoPi. Current FoS Count: Many. I don't really count these obviously. He lurks all day, and then here is his first big post. I don't see what he's contributing, apart from arithmetic skills. I couldn't make a less controversial post if I tired; he makes no effort to help us scumhunt. And then he tries to impress us by making this big list, but what is he actually contributing? Seems scummy. He even ADMITS to not counting FoS's. I may not be the best townie in the world, but at least I keep diligent track of who is FOS'ing whom. Well marvellosity, here is a FoS you better take note of: ##FoS: marvellosity Anyway, in response to milton's post on shiaopi, I agree that his first couple of posts seem scummy. He was initially my top scumread based on those posts. However, I liked his defense to hegeo: he didn't sound scared and wasn't super defensive, but rather stood by what he posted and said he didn't think there was anything wrong with it. I still find his overall play a bit suspicious, as I stated before. I don't think we should lynch someone for being a "dangerous" mafia if they were hypothetically mafia. I think we should just lynch whomever is most likely to be mafia. Every mafia is dangerous. Sorry if I'm wrong milton, but my gut feeling has been for a while now that you are mafia and you've done nothing to really dissuade me. Release asked for votes so here goes: ##Vote: Miltonkram | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
On May 24 2012 03:24 sciberbia wrote: I think we ought to have another look at this marvellosity character... + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 22:30 marvellosity wrote: Current Vote Count: hegeo (2): Release, Mordanis Mufaa (2): Miltonkram, hegeo With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch. Voting ends in 10 hours. Yet to vote: Mufaa, Solstice, sciberbia, O.golden_ne, ShiaoPi. Current FoS Count: Many. I don't really count these obviously. He lurks all day, and then here is his first big post. I don't see what he's contributing, apart from arithmetic skills. I couldn't make a less controversial post if I tired; he makes no effort to help us scumhunt. And then he tries to impress us by making this big list, but what is he actually contributing? Seems scummy. He even ADMITS to not counting FoS's. I may not be the best townie in the world, but at least I keep diligent track of who is FOS'ing whom. Well marvellosity, here is a FoS you better take note of: ##FoS: marvellosity Anyway, in response to milton's post on shiaopi, I agree that his first couple of posts seem scummy. He was initially my top scumread based on those posts. However, I liked his defense to hegeo: he didn't sound scared and wasn't super defensive, but rather stood by what he posted and said he didn't think there was anything wrong with it. I still find his overall play a bit suspicious, as I stated before. I don't think we should lynch someone for being a "dangerous" mafia if they were hypothetically mafia. I think we should just lynch whomever is most likely to be mafia. Every mafia is dangerous. Sorry if I'm wrong milton, but my gut feeling has been for a while now that you are mafia and you've done nothing to really dissuade me. Release asked for votes so here goes: ##Vote: Miltonkram I'd like some more concrete reasons for your vote other than a gut feeling that never got changed. IDK this vote didn't really contribute to the discussion. What you think is important, but why you think it is at least as important. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
Hegeo + Show Spoiler + He has had to spend a lot of time defending himself. In his other posts, he has applied soft pressure on a few people but then quickly backs off. He is very apologetic, and lacks conviction. This would all read as nervous townie, except his scumhunting leaves a lot to be desired. He has towed the line on ShiaoPi some, but beyond that, all there is is a Mufaa pressure. This appears to be his only decisive action. I will consider voting for him sciberbia + Show Spoiler + I don't love that he was warned for making fluffy posts, and then continued to do so. Release has stated this before. The most egregious example is the post directed at Mordanis where he accuses him of 'jumping all over him.' This response seemed overblown and pointless to me. Defending against an imagined slight is questionable to me. His one accusation of note is against Miltonkram, which I thought was a good start. The pool gets muddled when he switches back to hegeo, but that doesnt remove what I think is a decent attempt on Milton. Because he has made attempts to scumhunt, and is actively trying to contribute, I would not feel comfortable voting for him today. Miltonkram + Show Spoiler + Ah wow, I had this written, then refresh and saw Milton posted a defense. Put frankly, I think he has adequately defended himself. I dont like his out of sequence and seemingly random Mufaa vote, but as he said, he was doing it not as his main thrust, but in addition to pressure on ShiaoPi. He screwed up in pressuring me, just as I screwed up when I pressured him. It's a knock against both of us, but I dont see it as damning. Other than that, he has been after ShiaoPi. He supported the existing case and added some new content to it. I see nervous townie play, trying to make all the right plays, but coming through as inconsistant. I would prefer not to vote for him, but will do so if it means him or nobody. ShiaoPi + Show Spoiler + I don't want to rehash, all I want to say here is that this is where I feel the strongest. I see also that he has posted a bit ago while I was writing. I'll have a look momentarily and comment as needed. Voting for ShiaoPi would be my wish, but if it doesn't get any traction I will look elsewhere for now. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
The OMGUS is there I think. I'd prefer to not cease communication with each other however...I'd rather try to make it constructive. You say there are parts of your counter-pressure I have not answered. Can you tell me what you would like answered? | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On May 24 2012 02:54 Miltonkram wrote: -snipped- My top scumread is still ShiaoPi. Essentially, he plays scum exactly how I would. His entire D1 posts have been pretty wishy-washy and noncommittal, allowing him freedom later in the game because he hasn't actually tied himself strongly to the information or accusations in any of his posts. With that in mind let's look at his first post. Is there any reason why you have conveniently ignored my posts about my playstyle? I explained the reasons of it here: + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 05:25 ShiaoPi wrote: I am simply not playing as aggressive as Release is and therefore I naturally lack "original" content, as you already pointed out my playstyle might seem as you phrased it: Seems to me like a not too shabby way to play on Day 1. Not much yet you can base reads off and still quite some time to the deadline, whose approach always brings out the more mattering posts (at least in my opinion). I elaborated further on it here: + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 07:12 ShiaoPi wrote: It is Day 1, nobody is confirmed town until he flips, so why should I not throw the ball at you for a bit, while I answered your main question, which was "how come that you drop your suspicions on sciberba that easily?" That it came over slightly discrediting against you is part of it. I guess you just accidentally left those out of your analysis. But nevermind let's carry on. On May 24 2012 02:54 Miltonkram wrote: Here's what he does, he compliments the most active player early on (Release) and talks about playstyle. Then he adds some weak suspicions toward sciberbia. Suspicion that he can easily back down from, and that certainly isn't breaking any new ground. Wait, doesn't this sound a lot like another early post? + Show Spoiler + Release- I like the way you're starting out this game. If we are going to catch scum we need to be aggressive about it. Don't worry too much about the tone of your posts. sciberbia's post does seem a bit suspicious. He repeats his ideas several times in different ways to make it look like he's putting out more info than he actually is. It seems quite scummy to me. Mordanis- Don't get too offended by aggressive behavior. If mafia doesn't actually think that a little pressure will lead to a lynch, then why should they answer any questions at all? We need to make sure that people are held accountable to what they say. sciberbia- What do you have to say about the accusations pointed at you? There's quite a bit of fluffy information in your post. Let's try to keep the conversation more focused on who might be scum, everything else is secondary. That's right, his entire first post is a rehash of one of my first posts. A post I made before him. If my first post wasn't breaking any new ground, his certainly wasn't. It seems a good way to blend in with the crowd without sticking his neck out there. If you claim that I was just repeating your words, where are my thoughts on Mordanis in that post? I can't find them, furthermore have stated my reasoning behind my first post already, feel free to reread:+ Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 05:25 ShiaoPi wrote: So first off you scrutinize my first post and come to the conclusion that I am just repeating stuff, which has been said by others already. I actually see nothing wrong in joining a discussion that has already started. To me it seemed as they were asking for everyone's opinion, so I gave my opinion. If stating somebody's stance on something is scummy, well cannot help you then. What a surprise, you seem to have overread my stance on the first post. If it does not convince you, can't help you I made my point on it clear enough. On May 24 2012 02:54 Miltonkram wrote: He goes on to immediately back down from his pressure with this post. + Show Spoiler + Maybe I should have rephrased my post on the suspicions towards you Sciberbia: I was not that much concerned about your absence but just on the amount of seemingly "useless" things within the post. Don't see anything wrong with your elaborations on it now. Here we get the first taste of ShiaoPi's tactic. He pressures someone and then states, "Oh, I wasn't actually pressuring you." It seems like a good way to blend in while also "contributing" as scum. This is just the first instance of his noncommittal aggression.[/quote] Can you show me other instances of so called noncomittal aggression? First of all reread my posts towards sciberbia, I used the words, I never put any serious pressure on him. I just acknowledged the fact that there was a slight wonderment, but I have not acted upon it. Just for the record again, I am not really comittal on day 1 for reasons above. On May 24 2012 02:54 Miltonkram wrote: Let's look at his suspicions of hegeo. + Show Spoiler + I am unsure what to make of hegeo. The one thing which seems suspicious to me is his timing after being called out, the other stuff could easily be bad townie or careful day 1 play. Seeing that I am getting flak for my style it is easy to see why he gets thoroughly investigated now. What stands out from his posts is the analytical part. It seems to be lacking solidity to make the longer posts which he does not really support (see: + Show Spoiler +) Basing from this statement he must himself believe to have solid cases going with his "wall of texts", but in my opinion they are not solid at all. Once again this is "suspicion" that he doesn't actually have to commit to, and he hopes he won't be held accountable for. How is that suspicion to you? The general vibe of the post is a more defensive one regarding hegeo. I have stated more than once already that I believe him to be a bad townie, I point out the flaw in his play, but I do not throw a FOS in his direction, nor do I pressure him directly. If you put that post back into the context, it was just me answering to the question of sciberbia. Please do not extract things out of context to make them seem "evidence". I was asked on my opinion therefore I answered. I do not see anything wrong with that. On May 24 2012 02:54 Miltonkram wrote: I would ask you all this, who would be more damaging as scum? The actions I've taken in the game have all been actions that I've committed to. (barring the mistake I made with s0Lstice, but that was just me being dumb.) You can actually tie me to what I've written and hold me accountable later in the game, whereas ShiaoPi seems to have some sort of "escape clause" in almost every single one of his posts. The only thing he's been adamant about has been his FOS of s0Lstice, and that pressure has a built in escape to it, seeing as he can excuse himself by saying that s0Lstice had pressured him first. Anyway, what are people's thoughts on this? Seeing as I'll be away for an hour or two I'm going to go ahead and vote. ##unVote: Mufaa ##Vote: ShiaoPi Conclusivly I have the feeling that you simply ignored my posts which did not fit into your logic. If you take a look at this post of mine: + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 09:06 ShiaoPi wrote: If you do quote parts of my defense please make sure that you quote the entire picture. Take a look at my post in response to hegeo: + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 05:25 ShiaoPi wrote: -snipped- Your suspicions regarding the time I came online and the time I posted "something original" are not understandable to me. I am simply not playing as aggressive as Release is and therefore I naturally lack "original" content, as you already pointed out my playstyle might seem as you phrased it: "maybe there is something, maybe not, who knows... there is not enough information... let's wait" Seems to me like a not too shabby way to play on Day 1. Not much yet you can base reads off and still quite some time to the deadline, whose approach always brings out the more mattering posts (at least in my opinion). I do not see it contradicting with the usage of pressure to gain information, which you seem to see. I pressured sciberbia very lightly, before now focusing on Mufaa, as he strikes me as most scummiest right now. I bolded my explainations regarding content etc. Furthermore I would have assumed that it is content that I am explaining why and how I posted the things, so please point out my defense, which "lacks content". Furthermore I focused my defense on the "knee-jerk" as most people seem to be much more concerned with that than what you perceive as lack of content. I am also calling out people in my posts since that is in fact content. Maybe it is not as nicely formatted and phrased as it would be if I did not have to permanently defend myself, but do take your time to read my posts thoroughly. There is content. That "list" was not supposed to accomplish something. Take a look at it in the context I have put it into. It simply serves as a way to reveal the contradiction that I have already pointed out in solstice's posts. I have not made that list with the caption: HERE IS MY CONTRIBUTION! If you want to point out weird spots in my posts make sure you do it within their context and not just out of the blue. Again I have already given my reasoning on day 1 play reread my filter and you should be able to see it. I am currently gunning for Mufaa and s0lstice. Mufaa for hardcorelurking and bad experience in newbie mafia XIII, while I have elaborated on s0lstice in my post before. Hopefully that should have been enough to convince you. I am going to bed now, so don't fret over my sudden lack of activity. I had already answered to you yesterday, but weirdly enough it had little to no influence on your renewed case against me. I really cannot understand that you take almost 7 hours for your case today but still managed to miss all my later posts in which I explained my actions in detail. It smells of scumwagoning. ##Vote: Miltonkram | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
I was asking for the reasons why you still see me as scummy. I believe to have answered all your proddings to some satisfaction. You acknowledged my stance on sciberbia, then went on to ask about me attacking rather than defending. I answered that question as well. You even said it yourself: My filter is full of my feelings on ShiaoPi for others to consider for themselves, and our recent exchanges have reinforced my initial suspicions, but nothing really new has been added. I simply do not understand the continued pressure besides it being a case of OMGUS (I am not entirely innocent of that either) | ||
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sciberbia
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I agree my post didn't contribute much to the discussion. My main point of the post was just to cast my vote. Miltonkram asked for everyone's thoughts on his accusation of shiaopi, so I gave mine. My reasons for accusing Miltonkram have already been stated: see my first post about him, and golden's later post. I feel obliged to explain myself to s0lstice, but I don't think it's that relevant to today's lynch so I'll spoiler it: + Show Spoiler + Perhaps I took his post the wrong way, but the lines such as "And I don't see anyone you are considering lynching in your post.", "If you'd clarify I'd love to comment on them as well.", and "One final thing: I think the whole passive-aggressive thing needs to end. I understand that you don't want to be lynched (neither do I), but just being angry at one person for the sake of being angry doesn't help anything." seemed overly aggressive towards me, considering that my post was pretty level-headed. In retrospect, I regret responding to his accusation of hegeo at all, because it was early in the day and I wasn't even questioned for comment. I just instinctively try to discuss anything and everything as much as possible because I think hearing other people's thoughts can only help town. But, I realize that it clutters up the thread and I'll make an effort to post less in future. Thanks for giving your opinions on lynch candidates, s0lstice. Similar posts from everyone else would help a lot. | ||
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