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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 23 2012 22:49 GMT
#201
Yea I saw. When we were picking a deadline before game, he said that 6PM is approaching his limit for staying up. I think it's midnight for him. Still though, he had time before now.
ATOBTTR
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 23 2012 22:54 GMT
#202
If hegeo doesn't post at all before the deadline or even change his vote from Mufaa, I would consider that extremely scummy and would be willing to change my vote to him.

@Miltonkram
Please vote on hegeo. It's between him and you. Unless you have a very strong town-read on hegio (don't know why you would), the correct town move is to vote for him. The sooner the better.

@s0sltice
Could you please put a vote on hegeo or milton? I'm beginning to get a bit worried and I'd just feel better seeing more votes on these players. Thanks.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
May 23 2012 22:54 GMT
#203
Very well, I don't like making this move, but if we lynch hegeo, there is at least a small chance of him being mafia.

##unVote: ShiaoPi
##Vote: hegeo

For the record, if you lynch me and see me flip town, that doesn't mean hegeo is mafia. Too much of his case has been circumstantial, and too much of it has been just a few vocal players tunneling him.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 23 2012 22:56 GMT
#204
I think we should assume his vote will be staying put.

milton: sciberbia, shiaopi, golden
hegeo: release, mordanis
shiaopi: milton

we wont be getting a lynch if you guys stay put. if i add to milton, that makes only 4. there needs to be some movement
ATOBTTR
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 23 2012 22:57 GMT
#205
@solstice


In regards to my answer towards your question on the filter. I must admit that I simply did not pay it that much heed. I see the accusation as split in 2 parts, the sciberbia part and the filterpart. My thoughtprocess on that is: okay, he calls me out for a switch in opinion and a small filter. I just checked your filter to get more information into my reply and I see, wow his filter is just as small. why is he calling me out on that? So I go on to just clarify my opinion and call you out. This seems to you as scummy as you see it as unrelated issue, I saw it as part of your argumentation and therefore defended according to it. Defending in this case meant deflecting it by calling the validity of the argument into question I admit it would have probably been better to just lay open my gameplan then, but I was reluctant to as I felt that there was no need for it.

From your point of view it was just me bringing in more other things to deflect from myself. From my point of view it was simply a matter of defusing an argument that was annoying to me. I lacked and probably still lack according to some people content but it really is hard to get some content in, if I have to defend myself all the time. Even if I bring new content by bringing up other people it is written off as poiting in other directions in hopes of going scot-free.

If you keep that dilemma in mind hopefully my posts make more sense to you. I tried bringing in more content and it gets written off so I just focus back on defending as I cannot contribute if I am lynched.

Regarding playstlye, I did in the end cite it as it seemed necessary defensewise. I said it can be read as scummy, so I just put trust into your reading comprehension to read it the way it was meant to be.

Conclusively with that well-structured post I now got a good idea of your suspicions and hopefully answered some questions for you. On another note that post also convinced me that there is logic and sense behind your accusation, since my play has been admittedly not the best.

##unFOS: s0lstice

If you got more questions keep coming.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 23 2012 22:57 GMT
#206
ebwop: milton switching gives us 3 each. I've made it clear I prefer Hegeo, so I will vote Hegeo.

##Vote: hegeo
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 23 2012 22:58 GMT
#207
blast!

##Vote: Hegeo
ATOBTTR
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 23 2012 22:59 GMT
#208
I am changing my vote to hegeo as well on the assumption that he does not post by the deadline. If he defends himself by the deadline, I would consider switching back to milton.

##Vote: Hegeo
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 23 2012 23:00 GMT
#209
On May 24 2012 07:39 Miltonkram wrote:
ShiaoPi, I did not deliberately disregard your later posts. However, real life has gotten in the way of me posting more content and my follow up analysis of your later posts was left undone. Suffice to say, I think what you call play style is actually your built in excuse for your scummy behavior. I think the healthy town atmosphere has forced you to be more active than you originally planned, and only after you were pressured by s0Lstice and myself did you begin to post decent, but not good, content. If I may sum up your play style for the sake of time:

-Lurk until there is pressure on you
-Respond to pressure with mostly defensive statements
-When that doesn't work, begin to put counter-pressure on your attacker
-Bandwagon on me once you see that I'm a prime lynch

I'd post more direct analysis, but once again, time is running short.

Everyone, I hope you can figure out why this is scummy activity in my eyes. If I get lynched today, I hope you keep this in mind. The pressure seems to be off ShiaoPi right now, so unless I can miraculously convince you all to vote for him I guess I'll have to switch my targets.


If I may share my point of view on your points:

-start laid back in Day 1 as it is after all Day 1 with all its implications
-defend yourself against pressure (this is actually a no-brainer, which player does not?)
-Look at ways to put in content by analyzing your attacker's play and pointing out aspects I find suspicious
-Pick apart your weak case against me and make conclusions from it.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 23 2012 23:01 GMT
#210
damn. not sure if i have to unvote milton first but i'll do it anyway

EBWOP:

##unVote: Milton
##Vote: Hegeo
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 23 2012 23:04 GMT
#211
Is this the correct vote count?

milton(2): shiaopi, golden
hegeo(5): release, mordanis, milton, sciberbia, solstice
mufaa(1): hegeo

mufaa has still not voted
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 23 2012 23:05 GMT
#212
So with all the switches we are now at

Milton: Me
Hegeo: Release, Mordanis, sciberbia, solstice, milton
Mufaa: hegeo

Not-voting: Golden, Mufaa

I do admit Hegeo's absence is highly suspicious although it may be timezonerelated it is 1:00AM right now in CEST. But he had plenty of time beforehand.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 23 2012 23:06 GMT
#213
EBWOP:

Golden voted on Milton as well, so its as sciberbia said
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 23 2012 23:07 GMT
#214
Golden is on Milton, no?
ATOBTTR
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 23 2012 23:07 GMT
#215
@Golden
@Shiaopi
Could you guys vote for hegeo? Just want to make sure nobody has a sudden change of heart resulting in a no lynch. Thanks.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 23 2012 23:08 GMT
#216
ebwop: ninja!
ATOBTTR
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 23 2012 23:12 GMT
#217
On May 24 2012 08:05 ShiaoPi wrote:
So with all the switches we are now at

Milton: Me
Hegeo: Release, Mordanis, sciberbia, solstice, milton
Mufaa: hegeo

Not-voting: Golden, Mufaa

I do admit Hegeo's absence is highly suspicious although it may be timezonerelated it is 1:00AM right now in CEST. But he had plenty of time beforehand.


He did say that he'd probably have to leave around 6PM EST each day, but leaving a vote on mufaa for which we all agreed not to vote, as well not showing up at the deadline is pretty sketchy. Could you please vote for him?
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 23 2012 23:14 GMT
#218
I actually believe it would be better to not switch.
First of I am still unsure if we are going after scum or bad townie, even if his absence is letting me trend toward scum.
Secondly it has already been well stated that we do not want a no-lynch, looking at the votecount right now we get a lynch on hegeo. Anyone jumping off that train so close to the deadline is pretty much a confirmed scum, trying to sabotage town or in an last ditch effort to save his scumbuddy hegeo.

There is probably a lot of WIFOM in that statement, but I actually think it makes sense.
If anyone does switch he practically begs to be lynched day 2...
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 23 2012 23:15 GMT
#219
so.... I still don't see why you can't vote on hegeo? Unless you think no-lynch is better than lynching hegio, it can in no way hurt to vote for him.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
May 23 2012 23:19 GMT
#220
I deem it totally unnecessary, but if you do insist on it.

##unvote: Miltonkram
##vote: hegeo


Just for the record, I am not sure about that lynch and to me Milton seems more scummy.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
TL+ Member
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