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EchelonTee
United States5253 Posts
and I correctly pointed out your scum buddy | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
 If anyone ever asks me who the best teacher is for mafia, I'll have a clear answer. Well, actually I'd probably say Al Pacino, but after him, Echelon is the man! | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5253 Posts
Sloosh, ur observations on the game in general I agree with and I noticed milton was scum for similar reasons as you. Mordanis, since I was semi coaching him I already knew his alignment so I can't quite judge him, but he played a solid game. You mentioned that based off of agenda pushing Mordanis is shown to be scum, but by the time that is clear, his agendas will have already been complete. That's what scum is all about; not necessarily about just avoiding the lynch, but skirting the edge of disaster while pushing your plans. It's also more fun that way  @mordanis I was in a similar situation to you in my first few games; I rolled scum and played really hard, but felt the wins were cheap when they came in part from lurkers ending the game. Though it sucks when that happens, just be assured in your play and eventually when you're confronted with a strong town, your experience will pay off. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
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slOosh
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On June 03 2012 11:54 Release wrote: sloosh, i see your analysis clearly makes milton a scum. However, as was pointed out in the game, he played so badly(weell from his pov) that i (nor others) could possibly believe that he was scum. If you took that into account, would you still believe he is scum? I'm not sure what you mean by the term 'badly'. Your statement in game holds very true - towns make mistakes all the time. I mean I've strongarmed plenty of town mislynches as town, because I thought person X played like scum and therefore I wanted to lynch him. Making mistakes isn't a hard alignment tell. Thus if by 'badly' you mean playing with poor performance, then I would still think Miltonkram is scum; my scum flags for him isn't because he is necessarily wrong with his reads, but that the way he gathers his reads, the way he presents his reads and the way he responds to other people's reads looked somewhat scummy. If by 'badly' you mean, he is playing so much like an obvious scum that he can't possibly be scum, you lynch him. You assume all players are of a certain proficiency that if they were scum then they would be more discrete / wouldn't be caught so easily / so blatant in mistakes etc. Yet this is all WIFOM - scum need only act in order to avoid the lynches and if that means playing really "poorly" then that did the job and they are playing scum "well". Something to mention here is the skill of making the distinction between inexperienced players and scummy players. Because inexperienced players will use "sub-optimal" strategies / logic / whatever, some people find it suspicious such as when you found sciberbia's question of to lynch or not as suspicious (when it was a neutral newbie tell). But that is distinguishing by asking the question "Could a newbie town player make this mistake?" rather than "Would a scum player be so obvious?" Can some other experienced players chime in here? I don't want to inadvertently feed weird advice to the next generation of mafia players | ||
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