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I'll be playing my final newbie game in about 8 weeks (taking calc 2 during summer school, lots of fun  ), and hopefully after that I'll move on to the big leagues
Also, right now I feel no drive to sign up for another game. It just ended in a kind of depressing way, but I'll probably feel the need to sign up again in about the time it take for summer school to run its course. And to all the non-newbies who obsed this: Thanks for the encouragement and help, I'll try to make to repay you with good games in the future! And VE, is there a QT for observers or hosts? I'd love to see what people who weren't in the game thought of my play.
HAH! I can edit! I forgot to say that I'm very grateful to VisceraEyes and Marv for hosting this game. You guys are teh bomb!
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Obs QT
Sorry, forgot. It's a little lacking, it didn't even have any inhabitants until N1, but a good read.
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Blazinghand
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WAIT ARE YOU SERIOUS? THERE WAS AN OBS QT? How come marv didn't have it and you never responded to my PMs?
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On May 30 2012 10:23 Blazinghand wrote:
WAIT ARE YOU SERIOUS? THERE WAS AN OBS QT? How come marv didn't have it and you never responded to my PMs?
Because you...he didn't....I mean....
......I forgot.  Sorry.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 30 2012 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 10:23 Blazinghand wrote:
WAIT ARE YOU SERIOUS? THERE WAS AN OBS QT? How come marv didn't have it and you never responded to my PMs? your mother never loved you. I'm sorry
;______; *cries*
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I hear she's a lovely lady though!
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Ouch! that's like knocking someone off their bicycle and then saying "I'm sorry, here's some saline for your roadburn!"
On another note, I feel much better about my play after reading the obs QT ^^
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Yeah dude crafty scum play was no small part of this victory - but inactivity won you guys the game ultimately, that's my firm belief.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
In a sense, the inactivity won the scumteam the game, but also robbed them of a chance to REALLY win the game, you know? Like if there was some mad trickery going on, then we'd be all like "amazing scum team" but now we're just like "meh leavers". The inactive kinda made it so not only did town not win, but scum didn't have an AWESOME win.
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I toyed with the idea of writing an analysis of this game but I chickened out because I lack confidence in my skills.
But I will praise the activity brought out by (almost) everyone - reading the first few pages of D1 I already had a decent feel for where each player was coming from. I liked when sciberbia(?) posted a case on Milton and when people weren't talking about it he openly asked for opinions rather than letting it slide / get buried as it brought more discussion as well as attention on someone who seemed suspicious (regardless of the fact that he was mafia, if he was town it would also have benefits).
People were generally focused and apart from Mordanis' emotion business (which was probably mafia play) people treated each other like people which I really loved as it makes it easy and enjoyable to read. After seeing games like this, I wish I could play more newbie games. Good job guys.
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Wait a second. I was a framer but there wasn't a DT? So in reality we were both goons? That's a real bummer.
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gg Miltonkram and Mordanis
@Mordanis
I guess there sometimes has to be no DT even with framer just so the mafia can't always assume.
Metagame reasons notwithstanding, I think the setup slightly favored mafia. Isn't 1 DT/1 medic/5 VT/2 goons balanced? So we were basically short a DT. We had a 29.8% chance of town winning assuming random lynches, no roleclaims, and no medic saves.
Our choice of lynches wasn't good enough to make up the difference. While I agree that the inactivity of mufaa/skware ended up being a deciding factor, I also think inactivity by the townies before the deadlines hurt us a lot:
I regret not pushing a milton lynch the first day. I think I could have managed it because I had a lot of influence at the time. My excuse is that mufaa wasn't voting, release/golden weren't online, and hegeo didn't make his presence known. So I would have had to convince both solstice and mordanis(!) to vote milton in order to get the lynch.
Also, I think milton/mordanis might have been lynched over golden D2 if golden had been a bit more active in his defense. I assume he was busy with work/sleep.
Anyway, gg all. I enjoyed this game a lot
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GG Mafia!
Was such a pleasure to play with you all, even though you killed me D1 (well, I feel I'm pretty much guilty of that myself).
I'll post more later, just wanted to say that I really felt the Mordanis/Release interactions were soo weird. I now realize that for this to happen, not both (sorry Release  ) but only one of them needs to play weird. Nicely played by you, Mordanis and Milton (Mordanis, don't feel bad plz, you two deserved it. One additional very active townie would have helped us perhaps, but even then it would have been hard for us). Also, rest of town, was a pleasure to see so much effort especially also on D2.
Edit to clarify: with "weird" play (as in "scummy") I meant Mordanis, not Release
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We came sooooo close to a correct lynch on day 1. Gah. I feel I played pretty badly. What's the use of huge analytical posts if the conclusions you draw are wrong >.< We had a chance to get Milton a second time on the day I pushed hard for the Golden lynch. In the absence of that case, I think Milton would have been the favorite. Granted, Mordanis did start the suspicion on Golden...I pretty much played right into their hands by doing the grunt work on the case. In my defense though I had started working on it before Mordanis mentioned him.
I think it's funny how easy it was to scumread after I was out of the game. Without any pressure to post/read I guessed Milton/Mordanis, while in-game I was defending both of them.
GG to all, and nice job by mafia for keeping us fooled.
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On May 30 2012 14:54 hegeo wrote:GG Mafia! Was such a pleasure to play with you all, even though you killed me D1 (well, I feel I'm pretty much guilty of that myself). I'll post more later, just wanted to say that I really felt the Mordanis/Release interactions were soo weird. I now realize that for this to happen, not both (sorry Release ) but only one of them needs to play weird. Nicely played by you, Mordanis and Milton (Mordanis, don't feel bad plz, you two deserved it. One additional very active townie would have helped us perhaps, but even then it would have been hard for us). Also, rest of town, was a pleasure to see so much effort especially also on D2.
If it makes you feel any better, I still don't understand what he was trying to do :/
And I feel bad because the game ended with a fizzle. If I had dug a yard under everyone else's plan and made the hoist to their own petard (Hamlet FTW), I would have felt great. The way things went though, it was just sort of a foregone conclusion, that was decided when the bandwagon started on Golden. I feel like I could have shown. That being said, Release apparently being convinced that I was scum without anything but a "this post doesn't make you shine as town", while being convinced that Milton was town after concluding that every action of his was scummy, and apparently still backing that up is still messing with my head. I have no idea why he didn't at least make a case on me. Perhaps he was fairly certain (as was I) that skware wouldn't return, and didn't want to put in several hours of work to make a solid case only to lose the game by the two scum refusing to vote (or vote for someone else).
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Just thinking back to my theory on "the scum are splitting our attention b/w hegeo and milton/sols/gold/shiao" i never figured the scum would send of their own into the line of fire. Smart play.
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On May 30 2012 15:14 Mordanis wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 30 2012 14:54 hegeo wrote:GG Mafia! Was such a pleasure to play with you all, even though you killed me D1 (well, I feel I'm pretty much guilty of that myself). I'll post more later, just wanted to say that I really felt the Mordanis/Release interactions were soo weird. I now realize that for this to happen, not both (sorry Release ) but only one of them needs to play weird. Nicely played by you, Mordanis and Milton (Mordanis, don't feel bad plz, you two deserved it. One additional very active townie would have helped us perhaps, but even then it would have been hard for us). Also, rest of town, was a pleasure to see so much effort especially also on D2. If it makes you feel any better, I still don't understand what he was trying to do :/ And I feel bad because the game ended with a fizzle. If I had dug a yard under everyone else's plan and made the hoist to their own petard (Hamlet FTW), I would have felt great. The way things went though, it was just sort of a foregone conclusion, that was decided when the bandwagon started on Golden. I feel like I could have shown. That being said, Release apparently being convinced that I was scum without anything but a "this post doesn't make you shine as town", while being convinced that Milton was town after concluding that every action of his was scummy, and apparently still backing that up is still messing with my head. I have no idea why he didn't at least make a case on me. Perhaps he was fairly certain (as was I) that skware wouldn't return, and didn't want to put in several hours of work to make a solid case only to lose the game by the two scum refusing to vote (or vote for someone else).
Quoting Hamlet, nice
This one here always makes me think that Shakespeare already played some Mafia:
All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts
So just for me to understand it: Did you really see this "passive-aggressive" stuff or an overly emotional tone in my posts? I'm just curious and since it's not my mother tongue I really don't know if you just misinterpreted me on purpose or not.
FYI: I would have tried to lynch you D2 so hard (well, I already voted for you D1) and seeing your knee-jerk after my crazy post... To be honest, I hoped for something like that to happen.
I also had the gut feeling that Shiao was town, that's why I said "it's not ShiaoPi" when you were trying to get a lynch between me, Milton and Shiao. And again: don't be disappointed, both of you! You weren't lynched at any point in time, so you must have done fairly well at least.
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This being my first game I was just testing the waters with those D1 comments that nearly got me lynched. The rest of the game was just me trying to make up for my D1 gaffes without making it obvious that Mordanis and I were a team.
Sciberbia you have no idea how much you freaked me out with that analysis post on me. It was like you were living inside my head. Good job with that one. You got me feeling really nervous
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Thanks milton - beginner's luck I suppose. I wasn't completely convinced myself or I would have pushed harder to lynch you. In truth, a lot of my motivation for the original post was just to gain some townie cred, which I really needed at that point. Looking forward to playing with you in XV :D
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I'm curious to know what others were thinking about me tunneling shiaopi on day 1. Did this make me look scummy?
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