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On May 23 2012 08:29 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 07:59 Release wrote:On May 23 2012 05:14 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +My thoughts on Mordanis's accusation of hegeo: Mordanis, your statement about working with Golden struck me strangely as well. I was expecting someone to comment on it. And it makes sense that he would criticize you because you had just accused him. Doesn't seem odd to me. His defense is a litte weird, but I don't find it particularly scummy.
I'm really not quite sure what to make of his post about Release. I could see him posting it as either town or mafia.
Also, you say that he isn't helping scumhunt, but he just assembled some evidence against shiaopi.
Personally, I would be willing to vote for hegeo if it was between that and no-lynch, but I think we have better options. I don't really have a read on hegeo. I'll think about it more tomorrow if he's still in contention for lynching.
I encourage everyone to weigh in as we have have quite a few accusations. Talk about filler. You had filler before and now more filler. This is purely WIFOM and does not help the town one bit. And the length of this WIFOM is absurd too. Wasting the townies' time. ##FOS: Sciberia I disagree that my thoughts on the "coincidence debacle" is purely WIFOM. Mordanis's argument was that hegeo made a knee-jerk reaction. A knee-jerk reaction wouldn't be WIFOM. I was stating that I'm skeptical that hegeo would panic so much. I'm gathering that it is frowned upon whenever I elaborate my thoughts too much, but I don't really see how this hurts town. I'm not just providing filler - I think I've already posted enough that I'm not going to be accused of lurking, so I don't see what mafia motive I could have for defending hegeo as I did. Whereas I do have a town motive: trying to decide on our best lynch target. And if you decide to unFOS me, please remember to do it twice, because I don't believe you ever removed your last FOS on me. That would be great :D I will be inactive for the next 17 hours or so due to studying, sleep, and a final. On the upside, I'll be able to be very active for the last 6 hours before the deadline.I think we should start figuring out who are our realistic lynch candidates for tomorrow. And MUFAA will you please contribute?
The first part i'm not too unhappy about. It IS still a WIFOM thing, but their is analysis and reasoning. But what is the point of the second (hypothetical) part of that post?
It does seem dumb... therefore i'll do it to confuse the others... but they'll have thought of that... but ... but
See how this is WIFOM? It doesn't help.
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@solstice:
If you are not buying my explaination I cannot help you. To me your main argument seemed to be me dropping my suspicions on scriberbia, I answered it and went on to attack you, simply because taking filter size as an argument in beforementioned circumstances seems like a feeble attempt to give a random accusation/suspicion more weight. Therefore you are suspicious in my opinion.
On another note you have not answered my other question, regarding you tunneling me all the time when your argumentation which you base it on (contribution, filter size) also fits others.
Let's take a look at your post: + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2012 00:15 s0Lstice wrote:
We lynch day 1, period. Debating about whether or not to lynch only happens if we have no reads to go off of, which to me makes the debate a non-factor.. We've heard from everyone now I believe, solid reads will come with a little time.
Can we stop discussion about policy now please? It creates an environment where scum can comfortably post and be 'CREDIT TO TEAM.' Scumhunting must begin now.
I'm looking first to sciberbia. I'm not sure if Release reads you as green, but I currently do. More fluff and I'll change my mind though. Your stated purpose was to generate discussion...mission accomplished. I'll be looking for you to make something out of it.
ShiaoPi has a small filter as well. You just like that back off your suspicions on sciberbia? Scum post fluffy quasi-useful posts all the time. They want to appear to be contributing without actually saying anything incriminating.
Miltonkram confuses me. You say you don't want people to share town reads because it's giving information to the mafia. What? Scum know who is town and who is not. Scumhunting is ALL ABOUT posting your reads on people. They are accused, and must defend. You smell fishy to me Milton.
##FOS: Miltonkram
I am one of the several people you call out. As you share them in the thread I would believe it safe to assume that these were (or maybe still are) your main suspects. The one thing that you combined with calling me out was filter size and my opinion on sciberbia. After I explained my stance on sciberbia all you had to work with was filtersize and my reaction.
My reaction was explaining my opinion on sciberbia and an attack on you. You continue to ignore my explaination and just go on about my attack on you.
Conclusively, you seem to base your pressure on me by randomness of grabbing the name of the first person who did not post much until then and could be an easy way to seemingly contribute.
I quote you now:
+ Show Spoiler +Scum post fluffy quasi-useful posts all the time. They want to appear to be contributing without actually saying anything incriminating.
Keep that in mind as I quote your latest post:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2012 07:59 s0Lstice wrote:
ShiaoPi
Notice that all I've done is apply pressure. I've never claimed that a small filter is a scum guarantee. Being relatively quiet is plenty of reason to pressure you, just as it is plenty of reason to pressure me. You've responded with gusto, and that's good for everybody, as we have more to go on. I still don't buy your explanation for why you didn't address my accusation. The fact remains that you attacked instead of explained. You wanting to throw the ball my way is fine, but doing so in lieu of a defense to pretty weak pressure (based on filter size, which I agree with you is weak) is scummy. As such I still suspect you.
You wonder why I don't focus on him (Mufaa). Everybody is suspicious of him, me saying so serves no purpose. We know already his name will probably come up for lynch tomorrow because lurkers are at best useless and at worst dangerous.
This raises the following question: Why do you call out somebody, if you are not convinced by your own argumentation? To me it seems like you are trying to appear town as you try to build a case on somebody.
##FOS: s0lstice
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EBWOP: Just saw Milton's post. Gonna respond to it now
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2012 08:27 hegeo wrote:@ releases answer to my questions + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2012 04:45 Release wrote:On May 23 2012 01:29 hegeo wrote:Sciberbia bringing the heat via analysis, I like it. Hey Release, some thoughts about your posts, and why I think you're not always helping town with them: On May 22 2012 14:35 Release wrote:1) Of course we should lynch. a)Anyone who doesn't vote for a lynch is immediately put under suspicion. I am getting awfully suspicious of you because of this post: First, you ask a question to which both myself and Mordanis have answered yes to. If you wanted to further ask the others, there is no need to include the small tidbits of information that don't really help people make an informative decision. In fact, the part where you include Role... Role ... Role.. looks like an attempt to confuse people. Second, your second question is a mere restatement of your first question with even more filler. Why do you feel obligated to post this if it doesn't contribute to do anything useful?a) Even though I understand where you're coming from, this is kind of pseudo-pressuring people, which is futile in the beginning of the game. This makes for an anti-town-atmosphere, since posting should be encouraged. Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:30 Release wrote:
We need to start panicking if no one votes and it is a short time before the deadline. This is textbook no lynch territory. In this case, we need to start piling our votes on one candidate who has appeared the most scummy. b) Worst case scenario, we look at lurkers and choose to lynch one of them.
Still, c)we need more information, especially because this is Day1 and we only have some 8 hours left and no concrete scum yet. b) It's not the best case to lynch lurkers, but if they don't contribute to town then it is at least good riddance. c) You are posting at least a considerable amount of non-productive posts right now, e.g. to this post... Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 18:06 O.Golden_ne wrote:Please dont focus on the semantics so much Release. + Show Spoiler +A better word for "mistake" in this context is "slip", and i advise people to use slip in the future because it more accurately denotes what a bad mafia would do.
... your answer was this: Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:24 Release wrote:From Newbie II game + Show Spoiler +Probulous got a AKCT lynched. That was a mistake. He was clearly contributing so even though he made a mistake, he shouldn't get lynched. (he didn't) Sheth however, does slip in trying to save his scumbuddy and got lynched for that. You consistently do this "#FOS"-stuff Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 09:08 Release wrote:
The useful part of your post can be summarized by:
We should have a lynch today. A no-lynch would be detrimental.
##FOS: Mordanis and then, you FOS Sciberibia... ..before even un##FOSing Mordanis: Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 15:45 Release wrote:
EBWOP: I understand your post so for now:
##unFOS: Mordanis
To answer in your own words: Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 14:35 Release wrote:
Why do you feel obligated to post this if it doesn't contribute to do anything useful?
Even though there are many players that have a way shorter filter than you, what you do is generating "noise" (not always, you have your points that I can agree with and you definitely contribute). It seems as though you either just want to stir up anything you can (because both of these #FOSes came to nothing, which would make you a little scummy) or I read it as an overly motivated try to get information. Response to a) my point was that contributing useless information is worse than having no contribution at all. My example was Sciberia's asking the same question twice, which has since, been given some clarification.
I agree. At that time, I wanted to point out that I found it slightly irritating, that you would try to pressure people before seeing a considerable amount of players posting their thoughts and directly tried to pressure a post that I read pro-town. Mordanis critizised you for that also, not only me. Show nested quote +b) Lynching a lurker is not "good riddance". I don't see why a townie should feel that way. Lynching a lurker (if there are more than one) is random to a townie, but clear to the mafia. + Show Spoiler + The mafia will obviously choose the lurker whom is a townie, therefore causing us to mislynch. Advocating a lurker lynch instead of focusing on those who are suspicious is a Mafia's way of thinking. In fact, you don't even list some alternative, despite it not being a best case scenario. I said that it is not ideal to lynch lurkers. At the time I wrote that, 3 or more players didn't contribute anything (or not much). Still at this very moment, Mufaa hasn't written anything but "hello" basically. So we can't just let him stay in the game when he lurks in this extreme fashion. Do you agree on that? ------- + Show Spoiler +c)my answer was this: "My point is that Townies can make mistakes, but townies don't make slips. Mafia make can make mistakes; usually their mistake is to make a slip. I want to make that very clear. We shouldn't end up lynching for a mistake. We should lynch someone who makes a slip." From Newbie II game + Show Spoiler +Probulous got a AKCT lynched. That was a mistake. He was clearly contributing so even though he made a mistake, he shouldn't get lynched. (he didn't) Sheth however, does slip in trying to save his scumbuddy and got lynched for that. this was in support of the above point i made. Your c) and reasoning behind are Blatant Lies; you intentionally leave out my actual point to make it seem like i am posting filler. If i didn't know better, you know that i am town, and see that i am dangerous to your scum motives. You are targeting me with a weak case based on incomplete evidence. I misquoted you there, as you can see in your original post the text was somewhat strangely formatted, and part of the quote was displayed in normal fontsize so I misinterpreted it, your post makes more sense now, I apologize. ------- + Show Spoiler +In regard to the FOS before unFOS, i did it to show that i was putting both of them under suspicion. There are 3 mafia. I only had 2. Are you seriously trying to convince to to avoid the larger picture and completely ignore anyone (other than the person who i am targeting at the moment) who might be Mafia?
The FOS's got people talking. Talking is good for the town. Again, this is an example of where you completely ignore the larger picture. and I tried to answer to your posts as well as I could. ------- + Show Spoiler +"overly motivated try to get information." All townies want information. After all, we don't know much. You however, seem perfectly content to let this day slip by without extracting a lot of information from it (presumably because you already have the information because you are scum). Please also try to quote correctly. I said: It seems as though you either just want to stir up anything you can (because both of these #FOSes came to nothing, which would make you a little scummy) or I read it as an overly motivated try to get information. I don't see anything wrong with my point here, I just wanted to make you aware of that. ----- So, I replied. In my answer to Mordanis, I added a spoilered paragraph stating what I think I contributed today (again, newbie here). I hope to read new input tomorrow morning, especially from Mufaa.
You pointed my aggression out way too late. By then, i had already stopped the ridiculous amount of pressure i was spreading. Looked like you just wanted to copy his argue so as to appear like a townie.
I do not agree with lynching Mufaa yet. Your case still appears far worse.
"Why don't you acknowledge that we (not only me but also e.g. Sciberbia) also tried to do the same that you say you tried, namely illuminate places where scum could hide? I called you, Mordanis, ShiaoPi (did I forget somebody?) out because of things that I was interested in, all of you answered and I tried to answer to your posts as well as I could."
-Hegeo
Alright then, if you claim to be doing the same thing that i have done, why criticize me for it? If you're going to criticize me, then criticize yourself too. You're acting very much like a hypocrite here. Your responses have been poor at best.
"I said: It seems as though you either just want to stir up anything you can (because both of these #FOSes came to nothing, which would make you a little scummy) or I read it as an overly motivated try to get information. I don't see anything wrong with my point here, I just wanted to make you aware of that. " - Hegeo
That bolded part is the most ridiculous crap I've ever heard. I've posted my analysis on your case, Sciberia's case, and whomever else i targeted. The FOS's came to discussion as i've already mentioned. You, on the other hand, had a lot of filler and Bull against ShiaoPi.
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On May 23 2012 08:16 Miltonkram wrote:
I already had suspicions of ShiaoPi, but his latest "defense" just makes him feel more scummy in my eyes.
-snipped-
At this point ShiaoPi seems like he is just treading water. I think he's either bad town or panicking mafia. Please note the sections that I have bolded in his quote. He never addresses the fact that he's being attacked because his posts lack content. He keeps trying to focus attention on other players as a means of defending himself, rather than actually defending himself with content.
If you do quote parts of my defense please make sure that you quote the entire picture. Take a look at my post in response to hegeo: + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2012 05:25 ShiaoPi wrote:-snipped- Your suspicions regarding the time I came online and the time I posted "something original" are not understandable to me. I am simply not playing as aggressive as Release is and therefore I naturally lack "original" content, as you already pointed out my playstyle might seem as you phrased it:
"maybe there is something, maybe not, who knows... there is not enough information... let's wait"
Seems to me like a not too shabby way to play on Day 1. Not much yet you can base reads off and still quite some time to the deadline, whose approach always brings out the more mattering posts (at least in my opinion).
I do not see it contradicting with the usage of pressure to gain information, which you seem to see. I pressured sciberbia very lightly, before now focusing on Mufaa, as he strikes me as most scummiest right now.
I bolded my explainations regarding content etc. Furthermore I would have assumed that it is content that I am explaining why and how I posted the things, so please point out my defense, which "lacks content".
Furthermore I focused my defense on the "knee-jerk" as most people seem to be much more concerned with that than what you perceive as lack of content. I am also calling out people in my posts since that is in fact content. Maybe it is not as nicely formatted and phrased as it would be if I did not have to permanently defend myself, but do take your time to read my posts thoroughly. There is content.
On May 23 2012 08:16 Miltonkram wrote:
Then he makes a list of active players, in order to make himself look like he's accomplishing something. How much does that list actually accomplish?
That "list" was not supposed to accomplish something. Take a look at it in the context I have put it into. It simply serves as a way to reveal the contradiction that I have already pointed out in solstice's posts. I have not made that list with the caption: HERE IS MY CONTRIBUTION!
If you want to point out weird spots in my posts make sure you do it within their context and not just out of the blue.
On May 23 2012 08:16 Miltonkram wrote:
If you look over his filter, how many people has he actually put real pressure on? He put some very weak pressure on hegeo, only after Mordanis pressured him first. He's been gunning for Mufaa, a very easy player to gun for since he's lurking like crazy.
Again I have already given my reasoning on day 1 play reread my filter and you should be able to see it. I am currently gunning for Mufaa and s0lstice. Mufaa for hardcorelurking and bad experience in newbie mafia XIII, while I have elaborated on s0lstice in my post before.
On May 23 2012 08:16 Miltonkram wrote:
@ s0Lstice- Thank you for clearing up why you were suspicious of me. I'm still not sure you're town, but at the very least that clears up some of my suspicions. For now I'm lessening my focus on you and shifting it to ShiaoPi.
##unFOS: s0Lstice
##FOS: ShiaoPi
Hopefully that should have been enough to convince you. I am going to bed now, so don't fret over my sudden lack of activity.
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ShiaoPi,
Gonna go through this in detail.
On May 23 2012 08:39 ShiaoPi wrote:
--snipped
@solstice:
If you are not buying my explaination I cannot help you. To me your main argument seemed to be me dropping my suspicions on scriberbia, I answered it and went on to attack you, simply because taking filter size as an argument in beforementioned circumstances seems like a feeble attempt to give a random accusation/suspicion more weight. Therefore you are suspicious in my opinion.
You are correct that at the time of that post, the main thrust was that you accused and then backed off sciberbia. This combined with your lack of other input was enough for me to call you out. Your filter size was just supporting information. It was a fact, and I put it there as additional incentive/pressure to get you talking. You've said yourself:
On May 22 2012 18:47 ShiaoPi wrote:
--snip
I must say I really like release's approach until now, we won't get anything worthwhile from just being nice to each other. Pressuring is a great way to get some more information and should be utilizied.
That was basically what I was after. You can agree that pointing out your lack of input applies additional pressure yes? It's simple. If I say "Hey you why aren't you posting?!," all you had to do was contribute and then *poof* the pressure disappears. You say also that I ignored your explanation on backing off of sciberbia. This is half true, as I had accepted it and moved on, but did not explicitly say so. I assumed this was clear in my further accusations of you which made no mention of it.
On May 23 2012 08:39 ShiaoPi wrote:
On another note you have not answered my other question, regarding you tunneling me all the time when your argumentation which you base it on (contribution, filter size) also fits others.
My argument hasn't been based on the size of your filter since that very first post I made referencing you. You want to know why I am still picking on you?
On May 23 2012 08:39 ShiaoPi wrote:
After I explained my stance on sciberbia all you had to work with was filtersize and my reaction.
My reaction was explaining my opinion on sciberbia and an attack on you. You continue to ignore my explaination and just go on about my attack on you.
I'll repeat: it's because your defense was to attack me and take the focus off of yourself. My filter size was, and always will be, a separate and unrelated issueto yours. I think you panicked when I pressured you for little content and a wishy-washy accusation of sciberbia, and I wasn't pressuring all that hard. The intent was to get you talking. What I'm doing now is hard pressure, because you keep scummy squirming with the spotlight on you.
I obviously have not forgotten my other reads. You'll hear more from me. You, however...
##FOS:ShiaoPi
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Since we are closing in on the Night post, we have a few things to decide:
Which case is more important:
The Solstice/ShiaoPi/Milton or the Hegeo case? Whichever we decide on is the one where all of our votes should go. This brings me to my next point: We need to start voting. Pointing fingers is nice and all but we have to get down to business. One vote is worth a million fingers.
And finally, Mufaa and GoldenNe, where are you guys? Start posting more. After Hegeo's lynch, you two are going to come under increasing pressure if the post quality * quantity is not improving. Especially Mufaa.
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Good morning everyone!
Not too many new posts in the last hours, especially not from Mufaa:
On May 22 2012 09:25 Mufaa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 09:10 Release wrote:
Also, i'd like to hear everyone's opinion on lurkers. I was Mafia in XIII and the amount of lurkers in a 12 person game ruined it. ...
Sorry Mufaa, but you didn't post anything at all in 28 hours. Please get active.
##Vote: Mufaa
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On May 23 2012 14:52 hegeo wrote:Good morning everyone! Not too many new posts in the last hours, especially not from Mufaa: Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 09:25 Mufaa wrote:On May 22 2012 09:10 Release wrote:
Also, i'd like to hear everyone's opinion on lurkers. I was Mafia in XIII and the amount of lurkers in a 12 person game ruined it. ... Sorry Mufaa, but you didn't post anything at all in 28 hours. Please get active. ##Vote: Mufaa
I think the post you quoted is too vague to support what you are doing (voting). Although the Mafia won, he could mean ruined as in the game itself was going nowhere and/or just no fun whatsoever. Also, you should really post a solid case on why you want to vote someone. Day1 Lurker lynching when we have 2 active cases against scummy players going on is crying out "scum."
To Solstice/Milton/ShiaoPI, i recognize that your case against each other is important, but i think we can all agree that Hegeo is begging to get lynched. So i ask that you keep building your cases against each other, but place a vote on Hegeo.
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Funny: You wake up when i go to sleep.
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Hegeo, I have a few comments for you. First off, my comments about your seeming passive-aggressive wer not in and of themselves an accusation of scumminess. I was merely pointing out that it doesn't help anyone to have everyone going for someone else's throat. There's no need to get mean in a game like this. Also, I apologize about my wording of "I don't care". I did not mean to say that I don't care about what you are doing or that I can't be bothered to actually look at what you write, it was just that what you posted was not clear evidence of town-ness. I recognize that I may have been overly condescending, and I will try to be more courteous in the future (because it makes the game more fun and a rational discussion benefits town.)
Also, a perfectly formatted wall of text may be easier to pay attention to, but the actual content is the most important thing. Reading comprehension is important in Mafia. That being said, it is possible to disguise a lack of content with novels of empty language. I haven't seen anything like that so far though.
And finally, I think that Release has pretty much posted a refutation of your rebuttal. I think you should try to explain your innocence. Right now, you're looking like the most scummy player by far. You still might have time to derail the coming train of lynch votes, but you'll need to do a damn good job at this point to convince me or (I think) anyone. Personally I have a particularly difficult time viewing your emotional play as pro-town. That being said, I also have a problem with letting someone who posts once in the first day off the hook. At what point do we take action? If we always say that lynching the better read is the best option, mafia could post once a day and win ezpz. IDK if we need to send the message today or not, but I'm worried.
+ Show Spoiler [On emotion] +Hegeo's play seems to be ruled by emotion. This is exactly why I waited until I could be rational and logical before posting. I may have overestimated the amount of anger in this post, but I still believe there is a fair amount. Whether this leads to him being scummy or not is hard to say, but the atmosphere of emotion may have contributed to the lack of posting in the previous hours.
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Well, I'm going to have to bow out for the night. I'm not sure if we'll be able to start a movement of people into voting for one person if we wait too long. As it stands, I think the strongest case is the one against Hegeo, and I have to go to bed and then get a haircut in the morning, so I have no idea how long it'll be until I can participate again (probably fewer than 10 hours, so I'll be back 5-6 hours befor the deadline hopefully). I'm nervous about not lynching because people are afraid to jump on a bandwagon so early, so I'll vote now. I will however vote for whomever we can muster a majority for.
##Vote: hegeo
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@Release. Sorry, i am here don't stress, it 6:00pm and i finished at 5:00pm l logged on the moment i got home!! It's hard to make time except for after work. I am catching up on all the happenings and will post a more in depth post in a moment.
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I want to post a few of my reads so far in the public arena, hopefully my separation from todays events will give me a different perspective and perhaps help in focusing from the 4 or so cases down to a smaller number.
1. Mufaa.
Obviously useless. I'm more than happy to give him the boot, however before we do i'd like to look into some other avenues of lynching because if he keeps up his current style and fails to post a vote before the day is out he will be modkilled. Why waste a lynch on someone who is most likely to get killed by moderators! haha. That being said if he posts intermittently just to hang into the game. then we instantly should usher him from the game as it's fairly obvious he's just hanging around to get his Mafia night kills in.
2. Miltonkram (open his filter in another window for this, it should be easy to follow and not too long.)
Just to state the facts. His first few points were very summary-esque. I'm wary of these sorts of posts early in game as it means a player can conceal their views and reveal them at a later date when real discussion is happening. It gives the impression that he is contributing whereas he is actually delaying input so to clutter later on.
next.
he moves to pressure s0lstice. (after s0lstice posted, then removed his #FOS) in what i see as a defensive measure under the "rationale" that s0lstice should have continued with his pressure.
it is my opinion that he did this to cement his 'innocence' by 'promoting' a more thorough pressuring in future.
next.
after his accusation of s0lstice (FOR ALTERNATING HIS #FOS TO QUICKLY) do you know what he does? His next post in his filter is moving his defensive #FOS against s0lstice (quite hypocritically i might add) onto another player (ShiaoPi).
next.
he avoids his next suspicion (ShiaoPi) and jumps on a bandwagon of voting against Mufaa. (which i'm fine with, except for the context its in)
I feel that Miltonkram's play is quite scummy.
3. Hegeo
I pretty much agree with Mordanis on this player, but i will reserve voting.
4. ShiaoPi
This player has been very defensive the whole game. It's hard to get a read from someone when they are being defensive. He does a good job of trying to avert suspicion from him. The problem with defensive play is that you start to get suspicious of the person accusing you.
Thoughts & Comments
Obviously i need to read a little more into the other players but these are some i have focussed on so far. Miltonkram sticks out to me the most out of the non-lurkers however.
I urge everyone, both people being defensive and offensive. To have a re-read over the person they are accusing/defending and try to see their other posts that arent aimed to you. Perhaps you will get a bit more insight into their position as remember there is 7 of us trying to figure this out!
##FOS Miltonkram
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@ Golden- You raise several good points, and I will do my best to explain my line of thinking.
First you stated about me:
Just to state the facts. His first few points were very summary-esque. I'm wary of these sorts of posts early in game as it means a player can conceal their views and reveal them at a later date when real discussion is happening. It gives the impression that he is contributing whereas he is actually delaying input so to clutter later on.
The intention of my posts was to generate pressure and discussion. This being my first game, I felt that things such as the list I made and the pressure on sciberbia would be viewed as more threatening than they were actually taken. I believe s0Lstice used the term "weaksauce" to describe them, and looking back, I'm going to have to agree with him. In short, I think you're making a big deal out of some town play of mine that was admittedly less than stellar.
The next part of your post states:
he moves to pressure s0lstice. (after s0lstice posted, then removed his #FOS) in what i see as a defensive measure under the "rationale" that s0lstice should have continued with his pressure.
it is my opinion that he did this to cement his 'innocence' by 'promoting' a more thorough pressuring in future.
next.
after his accusation of s0lstice (FOR ALTERNATING HIS #FOS TO QUICKLY) do you know what he does? His next post in his filter is moving his defensive #FOS against s0lstice (quite hypocritically i might add) onto another player (ShiaoPi).
This next part is actually kind of funny, it was a reading comprehension error on my part, a reading comprehension error of his reading comprehension error. I thought it was crazy how flimsy his FOS was, I feel a bit stupid now that I realize what he was saying. Essentially, I did the exact same thing to him that he did to me.
As for the last part of your post towards me:
he avoids his next suspicion (ShiaoPi) and jumps on a bandwagon of voting against Mufaa. (which i'm fine with, except for the context its in)
I feel that Miltonkram's play is quite scummy.
I want you to know that I am still gunning for ShiaoPi. I hope we don't have to lynch Mufaa, but he needs to know that my vote for him will stand until he starts posting or I think he'll get modkilled/replaced. Right now, I'm going to continue pressuring ShiaoPi. Even if we don't lynch him today, our late game will be much better if we can get him to post something other than his wishy-washy defensive play.
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I've gotta go take a final, but I have a few minutes so I want to give you all my thoughts on lynch candidates before all the votes start pouring in.
Milton: seems scummiest to me. I think Golden's analysis was pretty good. Seriously, just read his filter. As of now, he is my top choice for lynch.
Hegeo: Since yesterday, I've grown a bit more suspicious of him. Don't think he'd be a terrible lynch but I'd rather lynch Milton.
Shiaopi: I was extremely suspicious of him at first, but he is gaining my trust somewhat. I'd rather not lynch him today, but would vote for him if the alternative was no-lynch.
Mufaa: I just have a feeling that we shouldn't lynch mufaa. I read through the mafia QT for the last game he played, and he was actually extremely strategic about his lurking. And after the first couple days, he started to post a lot. I don't think being the only hardcore lurker is a winning mafia strat. I think it's more likely he either lost interest or is busy or something.
It's obvious to me that those people under suspicion will push for a Mufaa lynch, just because they view him as an easy lynch and not too controversial. I'm not really going to hold it against you for pushing Mufaa, but let's face it (sorry for the hypothetical Release), if mufaa isn't mafia, who do the mafia have a really easy time getting mislynched?
Got to go. I'll be back in 6 hours or so. I'd like everyone to consider voting for Milton.
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@ShaoPi your #FOS of s0lstice seems to be more in retaliation to his argument against you that of any solid evidence.
That being said.
@s0lstice, i can't see any reason why you're going for ShaoPi.
both of you seem to be tunnelling eachother for knee-jerk voting the other. could each of you please write in dot points your arguments. I just need a simplified summary of your cases as i'm having trouble following them.
@Miltonkram. Thank you for your swift reply. I understand that you can now see the holes in your play and it looks like you're ready to get into the swing of posting a bit more content. To get that started.. can you clarify your stance on ShaoPi for me in dot points also.
i'm still waiting to see the community's response to my post on you and i'd like some discussion before i remove or act on my #FOS. your comments have been noted.
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I'm liking that concise post sciberbia. Goodluck in exam.
On May 23 2012 19:13 sciberbia wrote:
It's obvious to me that those people under suspicion will push for a Mufaa lynch, just because they view him as an easy lynch and not too controversial. I'm not really going to hold it against you for pushing Mufaa, but let's face it (sorry for the hypothetical Release), if mufaa isn't mafia, who do the mafia have a really easy time getting mislynched?
I agree with this point.
Mufaa is a very easy option for us to lynch day one.
Consider that he may be used as an escape option for the Mafia in day one. I personally think he will be modkilled.
If Mufaa isn't modkilled i'll be super suspicious of him. BECAUSE, the only thing that can him from a modkill is a vote.
Lurking that hard, followed by a vote is good grounds for a vig snipe or a day 2 lynch.
I'm out for while.
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I haven't yet finished my analysis of ShiaoPi's behavior, but I've got some groundwork laid. Right now, he's my number one scumread. I'll post again after I get some rest and have my full accusations put together.
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Golden,
My suspicion against ShiaoPi comes from his reaction to my initial accusation. You say that we are knee-jerk voting for eachother, but be mindful of the fact that it started with my initial pressure. His response, as I see it, was to try to discredit me instead of addressing the accusation. It escalated from there, but it started with him overreacting to my pressure, and this seemed suspicious to me.
As far as tunneling on eachother, I think you are right. As we are getting close to lynch time, I will be spending my time looking at the other cases in depth (as I said in my last post). My filter is full of my feelings on ShiaoPi for others to consider for themselves, and our recent exchanges have reinforced my initial suspicions, but nothing really new has been added.
Stay tuned, I'm at work so the interruptions are frequent.
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