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On May 31 2012 15:43 Manason wrote: Sorry VE, but theres a lot of evidence making you look bad. ##Unvote: Kitaman ##Vote: VisceraEyes However I still do look forward to what you have on Kita, If it's good enough you might have a chance to not get lynched. Where you at son? | ||
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On June 01 2012 11:40 MajuGarzett wrote:What scum did you personally find? Everyone suspected Zealos. He was actually one of the first. Between super and Forumite, the day 1 Zealos wagon started. I don't like his play since then but I have to give him credit for that. Ok having had a stroll through the voting list against VE here are the lurkers who had really bad reasoning for voting for VE. The others look relatively townie to me so I won't include them in my list. Ange777 His reason was seriously non-commital (Klicky) but it is other posting that makes me suspicious. On May 31 2012 05:08 Ange777 wrote: I would prefer voting Gambit over Zealos. A Zealos lynch won't give us much info. If the possibility of him being mason is the only reason against it, I'd still vote for Gambit. On May 31 2012 05:31 Ange777 wrote: To be honest, I think both are at a same scummy level. Posting a big list with names and commenting on them seems like a nice way to fake a townvibe. They don't really address any follow up questions (especially Gambit with his two posts only). Wiggles quoted some people soft defending Gambit which could give us some information if we lynch Gambit. For a lack of a better lynch target I am willing to give a Gambit lynch a try. On May 31 2012 05:35 Ange777 wrote: All soft-defending Zealos. Why is Zealos a stronger lynch in your opinion? Next up Manason He is the opposite in that his filter looks OK (weird stuff about Kita) but then BOOM random vote for VE On May 31 2012 15:43 Manason wrote: Sorry VE, but theres a lot of evidence making you look bad. ##Unvote: Kitaman ##Vote: VisceraEyes However I still do look forward to what you have on Kita, If it's good enough you might have a chance to not get lynched. He also never reappears to evaluate the VE case on Kita. If people want to know why I have left someone specific off, just ask. | ||
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On June 01 2012 11:21 supersoft wrote: You ask the wrong questions. Better ask yourself why I found scum and you didn't. How is the air up there on your high horse? Are you saying that Kita is 100% not scum? Because that is how this reads. It is not beyong the realm of possibility that you bussed Zealos early. Scum had six players so it makes sense to bus the useless ones early if it can get you some credit. What do you think about my new questions then? Do you think Ange or Manason have a case to answer? | ||
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On June 01 2012 13:12 wherebugsgo wrote: Read PYP interesting for an example of Supersoft scum. XLIV is a decent example of supersoft town. Thanks, ive been searching through his profile for a game where he rolls scum. They are so few and far between. It is worth noting On September 28 2011 12:22 Protactinium wrote: 17. supersoft, Hider House of Tudor 19. Meapak_Ziphh, Rock Star, House of Tudor Supersofts very first vote of the game? On October 18 2011 01:37 supersoft wrote: ##Vote Meapak_Ziphh palmar made a huge post. i agree. reasons and details follow in about 4 hours if i dont change my mind. @wbg: your case against me is so bad. my exam lasted from 9.00 to 14.00; i left my house at about 8.15 and entered the university at about 8.50 in the meantime from 14.00 to now i was in my repetitorium university course whatever its called in E and only could pm palmar from time to time. if you want to use a kp on me for being wishy washy with these times i really dont care. Yes he does bus, and he busses early. Clearly the games are different but it does set a precedent. | ||
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Well if people read that and get the wrong idea, than they should read this and get the right idea. THAT IS NOT A CASE OF SUPER BUSSING, I'M AN IDIOT | ||
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I did giggle at this On October 21 2011 06:29 supersoft wrote: lol seriously. i know how to play this game. if i were scum i'd just disappear until you lynch and kill someone else. Sounds kind of similar to this On May 29 2012 15:09 supersoft wrote: lol why am i so much better at this game than you, stofu | ||
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What is the point of putting them up if noone can be bothered to respond >< | ||
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He's scum. He dies today. | ||
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This is regardless of your shady day 1 play. Sorry but this time you got caught. | ||
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 Here is my story of Kita's game so far. There is more in filter but this cover the main ideas. It's a little long but please read it. 1.Brings up Lyncher for no real reason. I have been over this but essentially it seemed like Kita was more concerned about a lyncher than scum. The lyncher would be taking a huge risk to push himself into the mayor role even more so if they do not know their target. The whole lyncher thing was a distraction. Why do it? To me this did a few things - It allowed Kita to add something to the thread and make it look he was contributing without scum hunting. Note he is focused on the lyncher not mafia but he still looks like he is actively participating. - It created a huge distraction from what should have been the real focus of day 1, making sure that TOWN get into the power roles. By focusing on a minor role, he distracted us from our main goal. - it creates a climate of fear. He blew up the potential effect of the lyncher well beyond what is reasonable which meant that a lot of people were truly worried about a lyncher getting into the mayor role. - This gives Kita a source of credibility that is not really warranted. 2.Plants suspicion that Toad is a lyncher Here is his response to Toad's claim and some follow up quotes On May 28 2012 04:08 kitaman27 wrote: Hmm, mason would be a great claim for a lyncher. Doesn't matter if he's telling the truth on day two since he's already won by then. As much as I'd like to see a town role elected, we can't automatically assume toad is town. Why do it? - It subtly discredits Toad. Yes he says that Toad can prove his innocence the next day but his initial reaction is to label him as the role he has been obsessing about. It creates doubt which can then be expelled. Note that instead of Toad immediately being town (why would scum claim the easiest role to prove?) he is the lyncher until he proves otherwise. But Prob, didn't Kita defend Toad? Why yes that is his next action. 3. Kita defends Toad and discredits VE Now it is important to remember that Kita has done no scum hunting yet but he has managed to plant the seed that Toad is the lyncher which is apparently I really bad role. Now he comes to the rescue and shows how Toad can prove his innocence. When VE doesn't agree, VE is presented as scum. Think about this carefully because it became a big part of the reason VE got lynched. Kita says Toad is the lyncher (Klicky). The lyncher is a bad role (he made this clear). Why would VE be scum if he had reservations about Toad being elected as pardoner. Yes he would be held responsible but only AFTER he used the role. There is a conflict between thinking Toad is lyncher and he should be elected pardoner. It is not unreasonable to be wary especially when Toad (who is notorious for being a little unhinged) is the person in question. But suddenly this makes VE mafia? Why? I raised this multiple times but have not received a satisfactory answer. VE's suspicion of someone who WILL prove themselves (ie they haven't yet) makes little sense from a scum point of view. Anyway, Toad is not elected pardoner and the night comes and goes. 4. Kita pushes VE case Here is the link to the case (Klicky) and here is my response (Klicky). This is his big case against VE which is mostly about Toad and the fact that VE dropped his case against Kita. We now know he is town and can probably assume that he felt that a Kita lynch was not going to happen. Anyway Kita hammers this point again here (Klicky). Kita then raises the point that VE should have been focused on Zealos if his shot was blocked On May 31 2012 14:51 kitaman27 wrote: If you vig'd him at night and was roleblocked, why am I you're primary lynch target going into day two? Wouldn't it make more sense for your target to be the guy you just tried to kill? Whilst a valid point I would like to remind people that so far the case is that he discredited Toad (which make no sense from a mafia perspective); that he didn't follow through on the Kita case and that he didn't follow through on the Zealos case. Essentially it boils down to VE being unsure of his reads which is what most townies are. Yes he was all over the place but his actions could be explained from a town point of view and Kita based his entire case on that. Note that this post is a long way before the deadline but he never adds anything further. VE meanwhile was frantically flailing about trying to prove his innocence. I even prodded Kita about letting other do his dirty work but he just laughed it off. If he was so sure about VE why wasn't he the one pushing the wagon. No Kita was hoping that people would see MZ as the real force behind the VE lynch. After all he was the one who was shouting at people to lynch VE. MZ had the big walls of text explaining in detail why VE was mafia. Once that happened he could sit back and let the party roll confident that he had a chance for someone else to take the blame. Or better yet for everyone to take the blame and no consequences metered out. Kita started the wagon but once it gained speed he was nowhere to be seen. He was reading the thread because he responded quickly to me but he never added anything new. Even when others (Marvel, ET, WBG, myself) expressed doubts he never responded. He never explained anything, he just let the momentum take VE to the gallows. TLDR Kita created an atmosphere of fear that distracted town from scumhunting. He used the lyncher to subtly discredit Toad and then used Toad's ability to prove himself, to discredit VE. He posted a case on VE that boiled down to VE being unsure of his reads and let others railroad it home. kitaman27 must swing. | ||
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I agree with you that his behaviour looks like scum. He can be added to the list of people to die but I think the question is whether we lynch Kita today or Gambit. I would prefer Kita because I can see him wiggling out of the lynch tomorrow. If we lynch Gambit and then scum shoot those pushing for a Kita lynch there is a possibility that they can distract town from him. On the flipside we have a near confirmed scum in Gambit which would lower scum KP tonight. I am convinced Kita is mafia as well but if we can't get him lynched then I am happy to lynch Gambit. I still think Ange could be scum, his soft defence of Zealos is just to convenient to dismiss. In short here is my preference for the lynch today. kitaman27 > GambitX32 > Manason / Ange777 | ||
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RE: MZ and Toad Can you explain what you meant here? (klicky) On June 01 2012 12:33 EchelonTee wrote: I have MZ as town as well but not because of Toad. mz is town unless him and toad did some intense as fck wifom. Toad could easily have masoned a scum. If MZ was scum he would have direct access to Toad in private which is probably worth keeping. I mean if he claimed to have not received the PM, Toad would have been "lying" and then would have been lynched. After the flip MZ would have been shown to be lying so I don't see why scum would do it? Why would Toad masoning MZ make MZ town? | ||
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I agree with lynching Gambit first as long as Kita swings tomorrow. I think the only going for Gambit is that he might be two minutes too late this time and get himself modkilled. It is kind of sad when the most townie you can do is to die. Gambit what happened to you? You had so much potential and then you started hanging out with the wrong crowd. Kita offers you a ciggie and next thing you know you're snorting crack from Zealos' butt-cheeks. Peer pressure, it makes you do crazy things. | ||
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On June 04 2012 06:59 Hassybaby wrote: I'm suspicious of everyone. But the levels of suspicion vary. Kita? As it stands, a bit less suspicious than the rest. I think the cases on his are pretty stretched, and I like his responses for now. On June 04 2012 07:00 Hassybaby wrote: Wait...that came out a bit wrong. He's not my most not-scum read, but he's one of the guys who I think is more likely to be not-scum than others. ![[image loading]](http://i.qkme.me/1qj6.jpg) | ||
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On June 04 2012 08:02 slOosh wrote: Sorry got sidetracked figuring stuff out. Night post out in 5 minutes I promise! Liar! | ||
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