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Before you say "lol why he ask people to talk more when he not even say much what a scum",
there are actually 17 people with 3 or less posts!! COME ON GUYS I DONT WANT TO LOSE T_T
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On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss
YES DO SO NOW!
You're letting the mafia win.
For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8.
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but yeah I agree, we need a lot of people to start posting. There's so many people you haven't posted and the read I have on ET is only a "yellow" one for me although that's the best thing I have right now (together with a 2nd one) because half of the guys haven't started posting and it's possibly that the majority of anti-town roles are hiding and watching while me smash at each other.
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On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;(
typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias.
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On May 28 2012 08:52 Kenpachi wrote:who do i think is scum you ask? ive been out today. reading thread
too many paragraphs i dont want to read.
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On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias.
Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others.
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On May 28 2012 08:57 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:52 Kenpachi wrote:On May 28 2012 08:37 EchelonTee wrote:
Kenpachi, who do you think is scum? who do i think is scum you ask? ive been out today. reading thread too many paragraphs i dont want to read.
................. no.
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On May 28 2012 08:52 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:43 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:28 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:10 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL. 1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner. 2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason. 3. No. 4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP. You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said. You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town. Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol. Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK?
What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ?And no I can't be RB'ed. Don't dip into wifom like that, it doesn't suit you. Also, why is being mayor so important? If you really are town you should understand why some people may be hesitant to elect you, but at the same time willing to give you pardoner since (as you correctly state), you should be able to confirm yourself by day two. We've pretty much established that pardoner is a dangerous role, dumping it off to you makes a lot of sense because we can then know for sure by day two whether you're scum or not. Your continued pursuit of the mayor role is odd. I'm dead n1...I want to take a mafia with me before getting shot in the face. And @ET I know it's not a good case but you're someone who says a lot without doing something at all. You are saying stuff that's a null ALL THE TIME or talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about. That doesn't necessarily make you mafia yet, but it makes me wonder why you are talking about that stuff instead of something actually useful and trying to stop BH when he actually tries to contribute. Okay you want to take a mafia out, do you have any scumreads yet? Why do u want to be mayor so bad? You wouldn't get shot(most likely) if you didn't claim Mason. It only makes sense if you are a lyncher. I think I would have been shot either way, which was the reason for the claim. I intended to claim n1 in case of surviving n1 but once people said (hey there SS) they're running for mayor on the base of lynching me I thought screw this it's not a big deal anyways. I'd say I'm within the top3 or top5 guys that are likely to be shoot at night. Considering that there's AT LEAST 4 KP around on n1 and that I probably won't get protection over people like wiggles or VE I'd say I'm dead either way.
That's still no reason to heighten the chance that a useful town role would be lost. Why not wait and see if you survive and use all your background history of being a great scum reader to move the lynch in favour of who you think is scum? Your role claim makes little sense for town. I suspect ulterior motives.
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On May 28 2012 08:58 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias. Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others.
yeah but if you're mafia that would be a likely mistake to make and I don't think a townie would post something like that without checking the OP lol.
Not sure what to make of it because people said you're anti-town no matter of alignment and I can see what they were referring to if you really are town :D
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I haven't decided whom to vote for yet, but where's the voting thread?
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On May 28 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:58 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias. Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others. yeah but if you're mafia that would be a likely mistake to make and I don't think a townie would post something like that without checking the OP lol. Not sure what to make of it because people said you're anti-town no matter of alignment and I can see what they were referring to if you really are town :D
By saying a typo it refers to me being anti-town?
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On May 28 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:58 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias. Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others. yeah but if you're mafia that would be a likely mistake to make and I don't think a townie would post something like that without checking the OP lol. Not sure what to make of it because people said you're anti-town no matter of alignment and I can see what they were referring to if you really are town :D
Oh and it was one of the spur of the moment things, especially because I didn't want everyone to be on my case for a supposed scum slip.
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1. I am not running for mayor. In case that wasn't obvious from my earlier post "don't vote for people who haven't made a case for mayor but only for pardoner". I haven't said anything like "vote for me" since I realized that the runner up for mayor gets the pardoner rather than it being a separate election.
2. Sinensis are you still running for mayor? Do you still want to policy lynch grush? I'm pretty sure BH still does but idk about you.
3. MrWiggles, you've said a lot about pardoner but this is an election for mayor. Also, how do we know if you're town? Obviously the "I'm town" paradigm posted by the subject of suspicion should always be treated with several grains of salt, but it can still be useful to townies making up their minds so I'd like it if you could post one.
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On May 28 2012 09:06 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:58 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias. Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others. yeah but if you're mafia that would be a likely mistake to make and I don't think a townie would post something like that without checking the OP lol. Not sure what to make of it because people said you're anti-town no matter of alignment and I can see what they were referring to if you really are town :D By saying a typo it refers to me being anti-town?
it refers to you being weird.
Also about the ET matter: I still disagree with people voting him, even if he's town.
Yeah I think he's somewhat likely to flip mafia but he's not a vet in my book and I don't think he should get into the mayoral position for several reasons, even if he is town:
The mayor thing is pretty much a one-time use thing. You want someone to use that lynch in a good way and not some random guy who agrees that he's not good d1.
The mayor will be shot early on UNLESS he is hurting town. So again, it's pretty much a one-time-only thing because if you're voting the right guys you'll get shot.
If you're voting the wrong guys with 2 votes instead of just 1 mafia might want to keep you alive. I don't want that either because that's bad for town as well.
So I really think we should vote a vet into the office. Yes you usually vote a vet to protect them, but that doesn't mean that we should vote some guy into the office just because there's no BGs. I find that highly suspicious. Vets are vets and they're going to be shot either way, it's not like not electing them is going to protect them from danger.
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On May 28 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:58 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias. Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others. yeah but if you're mafia that would be a likely mistake to make and I don't think a townie would post something like that without checking the OP lol. Not sure what to make of it because people said you're anti-town no matter of alignment and I can see what they were referring to if you really are town :D
Oh with 17(Holy shit this has to be a record) people with less than 3 posts, any smart mafia would just lurk. I'm certain 99% of the active posters are town or at least non-mafia.
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On May 28 2012 09:11 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 09:06 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:58 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias. Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others. yeah but if you're mafia that would be a likely mistake to make and I don't think a townie would post something like that without checking the OP lol. Not sure what to make of it because people said you're anti-town no matter of alignment and I can see what they were referring to if you really are town :D By saying a typo it refers to me being anti-town? it refers to you being weird. Also about the ET matter: I still disagree with people voting him, even if he's town. Yeah I think he's somewhat likely to flip mafia but he's not a vet in my book and I don't think he should get into the mayoral position for several reasons, even if he is town: The mayor thing is pretty much a one-time use thing. You want someone to use that lynch in a good way and not some random guy who agrees that he's not good d1. The mayor will be shot early on UNLESS he is hurting town. So again, it's pretty much a one-time-only thing because if you're voting the right guys you'll get shot. If you're voting the wrong guys with 2 votes instead of just 1 mafia might want to keep you alive. I don't want that either because that's bad for town as well. So I really think we should vote a vet into the office. Yes you usually vote a vet to protect them, but that doesn't mean that we should vote some guy into the office just because there's no BGs. I find that highly suspicious. Vets are vets and they're going to be shot either way, it's not like not electing them is going to protect them from danger.
So you want a good scumhunting vet to get shot?
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On May 28 2012 09:17 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 09:11 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 09:06 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:58 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias. Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others. yeah but if you're mafia that would be a likely mistake to make and I don't think a townie would post something like that without checking the OP lol. Not sure what to make of it because people said you're anti-town no matter of alignment and I can see what they were referring to if you really are town :D By saying a typo it refers to me being anti-town? it refers to you being weird. Also about the ET matter: I still disagree with people voting him, even if he's town. Yeah I think he's somewhat likely to flip mafia but he's not a vet in my book and I don't think he should get into the mayoral position for several reasons, even if he is town: The mayor thing is pretty much a one-time use thing. You want someone to use that lynch in a good way and not some random guy who agrees that he's not good d1. The mayor will be shot early on UNLESS he is hurting town. So again, it's pretty much a one-time-only thing because if you're voting the right guys you'll get shot. If you're voting the wrong guys with 2 votes instead of just 1 mafia might want to keep you alive. I don't want that either because that's bad for town as well. So I really think we should vote a vet into the office. Yes you usually vote a vet to protect them, but that doesn't mean that we should vote some guy into the office just because there's no BGs. I find that highly suspicious. Vets are vets and they're going to be shot either way, it's not like not electing them is going to protect them from danger. So you want a good scumhunting vet to get shot?
nah I want a good scumhuntig vet to take a mafia down with him before being shot either way.
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On May 28 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 09:17 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 09:11 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 09:06 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 09:02 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:58 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:57 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:55 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:51 EchelonTee wrote:
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss YES DO SO NOW!You're letting the mafia win. For all we know all 5 mafia could be in those 8. ;( typo or did you post 5 because you're one of them and have 5 buddies? The op tells me it's 6 mafias. Sorry, last game I played was 5 mafia. And before you guys get on my case for an OMGUS you scum slipped, I said all 5, not 5 others. yeah but if you're mafia that would be a likely mistake to make and I don't think a townie would post something like that without checking the OP lol. Not sure what to make of it because people said you're anti-town no matter of alignment and I can see what they were referring to if you really are town :D By saying a typo it refers to me being anti-town? it refers to you being weird. Also about the ET matter: I still disagree with people voting him, even if he's town. Yeah I think he's somewhat likely to flip mafia but he's not a vet in my book and I don't think he should get into the mayoral position for several reasons, even if he is town: The mayor thing is pretty much a one-time use thing. You want someone to use that lynch in a good way and not some random guy who agrees that he's not good d1. The mayor will be shot early on UNLESS he is hurting town. So again, it's pretty much a one-time-only thing because if you're voting the right guys you'll get shot. If you're voting the wrong guys with 2 votes instead of just 1 mafia might want to keep you alive. I don't want that either because that's bad for town as well. So I really think we should vote a vet into the office. Yes you usually vote a vet to protect them, but that doesn't mean that we should vote some guy into the office just because there's no BGs. I find that highly suspicious. Vets are vets and they're going to be shot either way, it's not like not electing them is going to protect them from danger. So you want a good scumhunting vet to get shot? nah I want a good scumhuntig vet to take a mafia down with him before being shot either way.
Yeah but everyone is lurking so its going to be a guessing game at this point. So the more important issue right now is to.... POST everyone!
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Worked my way through the thread once, here are my current thoughts on the mayoral election.
Not voting for ET atm. I know I'm new to playing here, but I've been actively reading all the games for the last little while and skimmed some that were further back. As someone with no history playing here, it DOES feel like there have been some antagonistic and shitty town environments lately. I've got to say that having a town full of "fucking nice" people sounds delightful, and I'll aim to further that. However, despite agreeing with the sentiment, I'm not going to vote for ET.
I'm in agreement with jaj here that this bit of his announcement - + Show Spoiler +On May 27 2012 11:55 EchelonTee wrote:
Last thing; I never ignore the newbies. You'll see a bunch of people run for mayor who will be like "I'm bad as scum, good as town, so I'll lynch right and this will all be good kk", but only I will actually consider cases put forth by newbies and actually judge if they have merit. While I might not be the best at hard scumhunting, compared to other players in this game, I pride myself at being able to separate "bad townies" from "newbie scum". Some examples of that are FourFace in TL Mafia LI and gumshoe in Surprisingly Normal VII. Tons of people were calling for vig shots, lynches, etc. and I just said STFU, they are townies. Let's focus.
We've had mostly discussion from vets/longer-term-players (I got no idea what the cutoff is there), but this issue is something that the newer players should speak up on. There are a sizable number of us here, and so to the extent that we read something in a particular way, we're going to need to speak up. Anyone else that's relatively new want to comment on ET's campaign?
Going to look some more at Toad, but right now I don't want to vote him either. The claim has been discussed enough, and he seems pretty certain that he's going to get shot N1. A platform of "I'm great at scumhunting D1 and will get blown away N1" doesn't sound awful, frankly, but he's just speculating on the N1 kill. Also, the extra vote may not be huge but I'd rather have it active and in town hands. A mayor-for-a-day loses us the extra vote later on, and I don't like that he's not really giving that consideration from a town perspective.
Right now I guess I'll throw my vote on Mr. Wiggles. The "lynch Grush" campaign doesn't do much for me, and I'm not putting VE in as mayor if a nice town environment is what I'm going for.
I don't love the idea of putting a non-vet in the mayor spot, but is it worth discussing? If unreadability is actually a plus, it gives you that. A newbie may be more open to being absolutely transparent, even to the extent of allowing the majority to decide the D1 vote. If we don't have any more candidacy announcements, it at least brings up some fresh discussion.
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On May 28 2012 05:44 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 28 2012 05:11 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 05:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 28 2012 04:18 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 04:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 28 2012 02:39 kitaman27 wrote:On May 28 2012 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote:On May 27 2012 11:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I would like to give a big thanks to my friend and fellow Grubby mod "astroorion" for helping me send the PMs I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU! I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself. Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_- Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet. ##Vote Hyaach. You got this. "Hey guys no scum candidate is up for elections so I'm gonna put one up now." Do you disagree with my assessment or do you just really want to get elected? :p On May 28 2012 02:03 GambitX32 wrote:
@kitaman: elect someone who isn't running? This doesn't make sense to me, would if they are bad at reading people or turn out to be a lurker? Lyncher is likely to run for mayor. Picking someone who isn't running reduces the odds of electing a lyncher. It doesn't really matter if we elect a lurker or less skilled player as long as they are town. Mayor isn't really a town leader in this setup without the bodyguards. On May 28 2012 02:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
rofl kita aren't you copying foolishness with that one? Lies. Foolishness put much more effort in endorsing his candidate. On May 28 2012 02:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Lastly, Kitaman, I don't think anyone's going to take your suggestion seriously. However, I'm interested, why did you choose Hyaach? What made you want to suggest him as the random mayor? Because he is a newer player and I want to hear more from him. Do you agree that it is more likely that a lyncher will be running for mayor? Lets lynch meeple. I think if there's a lyncher in play, then it makes sense for them to run for mayor if they feel semi-confident in coming out of the election alright. That's also why it's important that we elect someone based on their Day 1 play, and not any future promises, and that we elect someone we believe strongly to be town. I'm not that scared of there being a lyncher since I don't think he'd be able to get enough support to be elected, if we're smart about it. I think anyone who's being lined up to become mayor must provide a case on who they want to lynch before they're elected or else we pull out support for them. This will make it harder for scum and potentially a lyncher since they'll be forced to come up with some fake analysis on Day 1, which is hard to make sound sincere. If we don't like what the mayor is saying at that point, or their analysis is fake and contrived, then we can vote for someone else. On May 28 2012 02:52 jaj22 wrote:
I don't think the risks of electing a lyncher outweigh the value of electing a good town player. A lyncher may not even have a town target, and the chance of a genuine mayor contender rolling lyncher is low.
@Hyaach: What do you think about Kitaman voting for you? Or anything else, for that matter.
@Wiggles: What do you think about strongandbig? He's your main competitor on current form.
To the 60% of players who haven't posted at all yet, please do. No need to feel intimidated.
I don't get how he's my main competitor since I'm running for both positions, but would just prefer the pardoner since I know I'm town with 100% certainty. Also, most people are just going to vote for a mayor, not a mayor/pardoner, so we're going to end up with two mayoral candidates who have the most votes, and the runner-up is pardoner. On a side-note, is Strongandbig even still running? But, to answer your question, I don't think he's a good candidate. He basically has no platform, and he hasn't done anything to show that he's town. A lot of his posting is just about that thing with BH that has no bearing on the game. As well, he's unclear with what he's saying about how he'll use the power. He says he probably won't use the power, but then a couple sentences later he says he'll use it if he has a strong town-read. That shows that he's willing to just use the power if he doesn't agree with what the majority of town (remember, this is majority lynch) are thinking. I don't want a pardoner who's going to use his power just because he doesn't agree completely with the lynch. He also says he'll try to bring it up early if he wants to use the power, but that doesn't make much sense, since early on, there won't be a majority on someone. Realistically, a clear lynch target will only really appear in the last half of the day. So, overall, I don't think he's a good candidate for pardoner at all. Like I said, I think I'm a good candidate, and out of other people, ET is the best candidate. The office should be made up of myself and ET. On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ Why did you claim like this? My major gripe with what you've said so far, is that it doesn't seem like you're willing to put in the effort on Day 1 to show that you're town. As well, you can't be held accountable for anything you've said until after you get elected. Now you throw in this claim, which also can't be verified until after Day 1. Also, why even claim? Mason is a very strong role, especially in this set-up, because masons are confirmed town to the person they talk to. If you hit a townie with your mason, it would have been great for analysis, and if you hit a blue, then they could instantly role-claim to you and share their actions. That's pretty huge. Instead, you choose to waste the role by claiming on Day 1. Why? Why are you so desperate to get elected as mayor? It's not like a town player is useless after Day 1. At this point, it's starting to look like you're a lyncher or assassin who's going all-in on Day 1 to kill his target with the lynch. Mostly because I think I'm dead by the end of n1 or n2 anyways. About the accountability: Of course I can't. Noone can be held accountable before they get elected... If I were 3rd party or mafia I'd go for the long game as already pointed out: I don't think people are able to read me when I'm mafia so no need to do something like this, which means I want to be mayor because otherwise I'm dead before people listen to me Based on the player list, why do you think you'd end up dead on Night 1 or 2? There's other players on the list who would be higher on a shooting list for scum, and then add in your insistence that you're hard to read. If you were really that hard to read, then mafia would leave you alive to use as a scape-goat/mislynch on later days, not shoot you on Night 1. What you're saying seems contradictory. On May 28 2012 04:19 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 04:14 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ We just didn't want to vote you as mayor, I don't even know why a townie should tell his blue role in this in this case. because a townie wants a townie to be elected Your claim doesn't do anything to show or prove that you're a townie, though, or at least not until after you're elected, which I've already pointed out is a problem. Why is it a problem. You are not acountable before you act either but for you I'm either a townie or a lyncher right now, correct? Let's be honest, worst case I lynch the guy I need to lynch if I am a lyncher and you have the most disruptive guy in the game out of the game because if I really am a lyncher I will be kicking, screaming and punching to get that guy lynched and you have a true-rnd policy lynch because I assume that the target of a lyncher can be both, mafia or town (or 3rd party). So the worst case scenario would be you get rid of a anti-Town guy (that's me if I am a lyncher) because I don't care about lynching mafia at all, you know that mafia is not Mayor because there's no mayor left (that guy is going to die soon anyways without a BG) and you've got a kind-of-policy lynch thingy. That doesn't sound so bad to me. And let's be honest again, I did not realize that a mason would be awesome for the lyncher as well as you pointed out but I'm going to make sure you guys know I'm town within the next 24 hours so give me some time and let me do my job, I will give updates on my reads and explain them. And I don't need some guy to poke me nonstop yelling "toad give update, toad give update NAO" when I said I'm busy today and only started to read the thread an hour ago. Worst case, you lynch the guy you want to lynch, are removed from the game, town probably losing a player based on the proportion of town to scum, and scum get a free round of night actions. So, town ends up losing 4 players and the mayor role for free. How's that not that bad for town? For the people who want to put you as the pardoner, that's just as bad. If a lyncher/assassin gets put into the role of pardoner, then expect scum to try to bribe them when one of them is about to get lynched. Something along the lines of "Pardon my lynch, and my team will shoot your target", or something like that. Again, we lose a whole cycle to the pardon, and then we're left with either a lyncher we either need to suffer through spamming in thread, or we lose a day of discussion lynching him. A pardoner lyncher can also at any point hold the lynch hostage unless we kill his target, again leading to a round of free kills. Also, you never answered my question about why you were scared of dying on Night 1 or 2. The player list suggests you're not the highest priority target for scum, and your own insistence of being hard to read suggests scum would leave you alive as you'd be a magnet for suspicion. Finally, I find it odd that you're trying to downplay the impact of a Lyncher/Assassin being elected rather than denying that you're one of those roles and trying to show otherwise. I am trying to show otherwise but that needs time and I can't come up with an awesome lynch out of nowhere so from my point of view I either ignore you or talk about things I can already talk about in the meantime. Do you want me to ignore you instead? I can do that as well. About why I think I'm going to be shot early on: I got shot n1 last time and I claimed mason this time. I think that makes me a high priority.
You said you claimed because you were scared of dying early on and wanted to get the mayor role. Now you're saying you're going to die early on because you claimed and that's why you're scared. You don't make sense, or you're changing your story around.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 28 2012 04:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 04:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 28 2012 02:39 kitaman27 wrote:On May 28 2012 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote:On May 27 2012 11:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I would like to give a big thanks to my friend and fellow Grubby mod "astroorion" for helping me send the PMs I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU! I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself. Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_- Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet. ##Vote Hyaach. You got this. "Hey guys no scum candidate is up for elections so I'm gonna put one up now." Do you disagree with my assessment or do you just really want to get elected? :p On May 28 2012 02:03 GambitX32 wrote:
@kitaman: elect someone who isn't running? This doesn't make sense to me, would if they are bad at reading people or turn out to be a lurker? Lyncher is likely to run for mayor. Picking someone who isn't running reduces the odds of electing a lyncher. It doesn't really matter if we elect a lurker or less skilled player as long as they are town. Mayor isn't really a town leader in this setup without the bodyguards. On May 28 2012 02:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
rofl kita aren't you copying foolishness with that one? Lies. Foolishness put much more effort in endorsing his candidate. On May 28 2012 02:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Lastly, Kitaman, I don't think anyone's going to take your suggestion seriously. However, I'm interested, why did you choose Hyaach? What made you want to suggest him as the random mayor? Because he is a newer player and I want to hear more from him. Do you agree that it is more likely that a lyncher will be running for mayor? Lets lynch meeple. I think if there's a lyncher in play, then it makes sense for them to run for mayor if they feel semi-confident in coming out of the election alright. That's also why it's important that we elect someone based on their Day 1 play, and not any future promises, and that we elect someone we believe strongly to be town. I'm not that scared of there being a lyncher since I don't think he'd be able to get enough support to be elected, if we're smart about it. I think anyone who's being lined up to become mayor must provide a case on who they want to lynch before they're elected or else we pull out support for them. This will make it harder for scum and potentially a lyncher since they'll be forced to come up with some fake analysis on Day 1, which is hard to make sound sincere. If we don't like what the mayor is saying at that point, or their analysis is fake and contrived, then we can vote for someone else. On May 28 2012 02:52 jaj22 wrote:
I don't think the risks of electing a lyncher outweigh the value of electing a good town player. A lyncher may not even have a town target, and the chance of a genuine mayor contender rolling lyncher is low.
@Hyaach: What do you think about Kitaman voting for you? Or anything else, for that matter.
@Wiggles: What do you think about strongandbig? He's your main competitor on current form.
To the 60% of players who haven't posted at all yet, please do. No need to feel intimidated.
I don't get how he's my main competitor since I'm running for both positions, but would just prefer the pardoner since I know I'm town with 100% certainty. Also, most people are just going to vote for a mayor, not a mayor/pardoner, so we're going to end up with two mayoral candidates who have the most votes, and the runner-up is pardoner. On a side-note, is Strongandbig even still running? But, to answer your question, I don't think he's a good candidate. He basically has no platform, and he hasn't done anything to show that he's town. A lot of his posting is just about that thing with BH that has no bearing on the game. As well, he's unclear with what he's saying about how he'll use the power. He says he probably won't use the power, but then a couple sentences later he says he'll use it if he has a strong town-read. That shows that he's willing to just use the power if he doesn't agree with what the majority of town (remember, this is majority lynch) are thinking. I don't want a pardoner who's going to use his power just because he doesn't agree completely with the lynch. He also says he'll try to bring it up early if he wants to use the power, but that doesn't make much sense, since early on, there won't be a majority on someone. Realistically, a clear lynch target will only really appear in the last half of the day. So, overall, I don't think he's a good candidate for pardoner at all. Like I said, I think I'm a good candidate, and out of other people, ET is the best candidate. The office should be made up of myself and ET. On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote:Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ Why did you claim like this? My major gripe with what you've said so far, is that it doesn't seem like you're willing to put in the effort on Day 1 to show that you're town. As well, you can't be held accountable for anything you've said until after you get elected. Now you throw in this claim, which also can't be verified until after Day 1. Also, why even claim? Mason is a very strong role, especially in this set-up, because masons are confirmed town to the person they talk to. If you hit a townie with your mason, it would have been great for analysis, and if you hit a blue, then they could instantly role-claim to you and share their actions. That's pretty huge. Instead, you choose to waste the role by claiming on Day 1. Why? Why are you so desperate to get elected as mayor? It's not like a town player is useless after Day 1. At this point, it's starting to look like you're a lyncher or assassin who's going all-in on Day 1 to kill his target with the lynch. Mostly because I think I'm dead by the end of n1 or n2 anyways. About the accountability: Of course I can't. Noone can be held accountable before they get elected... If I were 3rd party or mafia I'd go for the long game as already pointed out: I don't think people are able to read me when I'm mafia so no need to do something like this, which means I want to be mayor because otherwise I'm dead before people listen to me
This is where I ask why you claimed, and you say it's because you think you're dead anyways. So, now you're saying that you claimed because you think you're going to die, and you think you're going to die because you claimed. That's textbook circular reasoning. I'm pretty convinced that you're actually the lyncher now, because your story isn't adding up to me. It would be a bad move to vote you in.
On May 28 2012 08:19 phagga wrote:
Not through the complete thread yet, will catch up later.
I'm against a policy lynch, as I think everyone should get the chance to improve. I don't like how Toadesstern claimed, and feel against voting him therefore. He is either throwing away his blue role or fakeclaiming to get the major. Both is bad.
I like Mr. Wiggles reasoning, he looks like a good candidate. The other interesting option is ET, but I will have to read through his filter again to feel more sure.
Mr. Wiggles and ET, do you already have some candidates for your lynch?
Off the top of my head, I wanted to say Toad, but I don't think he's actually the best choice for the lynch today unless I can't come up with any other scum candidates. I think he's probably a lyncher, but that also means he's not a threat if we keep him away from the elected positions. He claimed mason, so he should be able to confirm that role tomorrow. So, so long as he isn't elected to the pardoner or mayor, I'm willing to keep him alive to see if he confirms his role on Day 2. If he can't confirm himself, a vig should shoot him. As for today, no one should be giving him any votes if they think there's a possibility of him being a third party. I've already explained why it's bad for town for a third party to be elected as pardoner.
So far, I've been pretty focused on Toad, so I need to go back and read other people more closely to find a better lynch. As well, there's a ton of people who've barely posted, and I'm sure there's scum among them. Vigs at least should consider all the lurkers as potential targets for when they shoot, if they don't start to change their activity and attitudes.
On May 28 2012 09:07 strongandbig wrote:
1. I am not running for mayor. In case that wasn't obvious from my earlier post "don't vote for people who haven't made a case for mayor but only for pardoner". I haven't said anything like "vote for me" since I realized that the runner up for mayor gets the pardoner rather than it being a separate election.
2. Sinensis are you still running for mayor? Do you still want to policy lynch grush? I'm pretty sure BH still does but idk about you.
3. MrWiggles, you've said a lot about pardoner but this is an election for mayor. Also, how do we know if you're town? Obviously the "I'm town" paradigm posted by the subject of suspicion should always be treated with several grains of salt, but it can still be useful to townies making up their minds so I'd like it if you could post one. So you want me to tell you why I'm town? Well, hopefully my play so far has shown that I'm town. I'm trying to be clear with what my thoughts are on the election. I'm explaining my views on both the mayor and pardoner, and backing it up with reasoning. I'm also pressuring a player I find suspicious. I'm taking a firm stance for a certain candidate, and against several others. Hopefully from my posting, it's clear who else I support to be elected along with myself, and why. I still stand by that choice.
Overall, I'm hoping that my posts show that I am being transparent and open about my thoughts.I hope they show that I am actually putting effort into this game. Finally, I hope they show that I am taking a measured and reasonable approach to the game, in order to foster a good environment for scumhunting and discussion.
As always, if you agree with what I'm saying and think I'd be a good candidate for leader/vice-leader, you should vote for me. I also support ET being elected into office along with myself.
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