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On May 28 2012 07:58 EchelonTee wrote:
Skimmed the thread.
If no scum went for/are going for election, then town is in a great position. Think TL Mafia L; sure there were bodyguards, and sure BM ended up being pardoner, but he was put in office by Foolishness, while BC and Protactinium were the top 3 vote getters. The amount of control they held because they all ran for office meant that scum was completely scared of shooting any of them, even though (if I recall) Foolishness didn't even have protection until N3 or something.
The reason why I mention TL L is that Toad's mason claim reminds me of that game. The reason why mason claiming (by BC) was a good idea because of 1. multiple masons and 2. bodyguards. I'm going to assume there aren't tons of masons in the game atm as otherwise a few of them would've jumped on Toad's claim. And 2 doesn't apply here obviously; BC's claim (and subsequent installment as mayor) was good because it put him in a position of safety while he could use his mason power to prove his innocence to others, and form a town circle. Since Toad has no protection, if he is actually town mason then he will be on docket to be gunned down. We don't know if we have medics. We might even only have a jailer, who would role block him (I think).
Toad, does Mason choose a target at night, or at the start of day or something like that? Can you be RB'd?
Does jailer protect from 1KP, or all KP?
I fail to see why you claimed in this case, Toad. If you are actually mason, this increases the likelihood that you will be shot. If you are scum, then you unnecessarily brought in expectations on you to do this or that. If mason targets at night, you could even claim "RB'd". TBH this reminds me of your vet claim; an unneeded, poorly thought out claim that outted you as scum. In this case though, a mason is a strange role.
The other thing is; the only reason why you want the election is 1. to lynch "scum" and 2. because you're townie. Can't you just make a case on someone (which you have at this point) and lynch them that way? If everyone disagrees with you (surprisingly...), then perhaps your case is bad, but you would like the mayoral power to just lynch whoever the hell you want. I don't see how this is supposed to convince us of your towniness.
Overall, your claim/mayorship have successfully put the thread into minor confusion. I could easily see you doing this from an anti-town perspective, but I'll re-read a few times before making a judgement.
I'm also pretty surprised that no one sheeped Toad's case. Strange.
A jailer protects against 1 kp.
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On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly.
Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<.
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On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<.
You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead?
The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL.
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Misunderstood the question I answered above, edited to reflect the correct answer
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On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL.
1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner.
2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason.
3. No.
4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP.
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On May 28 2012 08:10 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL. 1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner. 2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason. 3. No. 4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP.
You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said.
You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town.
Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol.
Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK?
What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ?
And no I can't be RB'ed.
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RE: Toad's case
On May 28 2012 06:43 Toadesstern wrote:ok done reading. I think ET is the most likely to flip mafia for these reasons: + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [#1] +On May 27 2012 11:55 EchelonTee wrote:
I'm running for Mayor.
Why?
Because I'm never suspicious as scum, and always suspicious as town. I would never in a million years run for mayor if I was scum. You might say "Oh, he's trying to WIFOM; this is him actually being scum, running for this shiz". I would say that's slightly logical, but let's be reasonable; I could easily destroy all of you without needing to be mayor, if I was scum. Am I running off of a high from Liar Game Mafia, where I crushed a plethora of legendary scumhunters? You bet it.
Another point to notice; the mayor and pardoner do not get bodyguards. Usually, the purpose of the mayoral election is not so much to control the lynch, but to protect your strongest scum hunters. Since there are no bodyguards, putting someone like [insert vet here] into that spot is just asking for them to be shot up, if they aren't scum that is. What I will do as mayor is be open and forthright, not do a lone wolf lynch. If it turns out that I look way too fcking townie, then I'll get shot by scum, and that's NBD; I'll have done enough by being denying scum the initial lynch, and taking a bullet for better townies.
Last thing; I never ignore the newbies. You'll see a bunch of people run for mayor who will be like "I'm bad as scum, good as town, so I'll lynch right and this will all be good kk", but only I will actually consider cases put forth by newbies and actually judge if they have merit. While I might not be the best at hard scumhunting, compared to other players in this game, I pride myself at being able to separate "bad townies" from "newbie scum". Some examples of that are FourFace in TL Mafia LI and gumshoe in Surprisingly Normal VII. Tons of people were calling for vig shots, lynches, etc. and I just said STFU, they are townies. Let's focus.
In summary, since the mayoral election does not confer protection, it is more optimal to elect someone who is open, aggressive, and tranaparent, but not necessarily the strongest town player. Therefore, I think I should be mayor. I'll do a standard scumhunt (build a case) to determine the initial lynch. You can never lynch me. If am am townie I am suspicious therefore I am a townie! If I am a mafia I am not suspicious, therefore you don't lynch me. If I am suspicious because I'm not suspicious I'm actually suspicious according to my logic, therefore you can't lynch me. Funny thing is I once said the exact same thing but it was d1 and I was semi-trolling. However, he doesn't seem like a troll. #2 reads as: If I lynch a townie I'm sorry but I'm not accountable because I did what the majority wanted me to do! #3: That's really manipulative and really, is he the only one that will look at the newbie cases? He makes it sound like there's some people ignoring cases because they're nooby-cases. People ignore cases because they're along the lines of "he is bad, therefore he has to be mafia" which is just wrong. Also I don't need some minister for newbies who tells me what case has some merits and which has not. + Show Spoiler [#2] +On May 27 2012 12:14 EchelonTee wrote:
A note: I will be slightly less active in this game then I have been in other town games I've played. This doesn't mean lurking at the standard I set in JubJub or Liar, but I won't be nearly as active as I was in MTG Mafia. I feel that it did not work the greatest in that game (game not finished, will not discuss further). Sure, this is probably a notch against me to be mayor, but I thought I would just put it out there.
If you prefer an active mayor, vote for VE. I hear he's easy to read. What would be the reasoning for a townie to post something like that. I don't need someone to post some excuses some hours into the game. If you're away for a day or something, awesome, post that because we want to know about that game. If you want to change your style in general post that before the game started like I did in C9++ #2 because that post looks so bad. It's overtransparent when he really should now that it's looking fishy for the excuse-part. So the point of that post is to be transparent when noone cares about something like that. Why would he want to be that transparent. I don't need him to tell me when he's going to the toilet either. + Show Spoiler [#3] +On May 27 2012 12:30 EchelonTee wrote:
You're smart to consider the scenarios, which bodes well for this game.
Consider that the pardoner will have some amount of town-cred, to be elected in the first place. To save their scummy lynch mate, they would have to out themselves. Not a very good play, unless the person they are saving is a stronger PR role than themself. I actually kind of wonder how Pardoner is a good role at all, to be perfectly honest.
The more dangerous role is the +1 vote that the mayor has. If a scum gets voted as mayor, they could potentially live til LYLO, which would be instant GG. It is extremely vital that a townie gets voted to mayor, and slightly less so important who is pardoner. Is what I consider being manipulative #2: Is fearmongering. Come on... A mayor with bodyguards never makes it into LYLO because he's lynched or killed well before that. Just think about your last election-based game (unless it's holyroman, caller games don't count) and think about how long the mayor lasted. And he's scared about a mayor without bodyguards lasting until LYLO? + Show Spoiler [#4] +On May 27 2012 16:36 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Please do not state that I post like a retard or a troll half the time. I find this offensive and unproductive to our discussion. It is also inaccurate. I take this game very seriously, and your implication that I do not is troubling. If you continue to insist that my posting is retarded and trolling, I will complain to the host. Come on BH, he's a newbie. You're acting like a TLMafia brat, threatening to call in the host, which is also unproductive to the discussion. You post gifs and pix of you eating hats all the time, so his reference to your trolling isn't wholly inaccurate lol. Continuing, do you think grush's posting thus far is scummy? If yes, then how so? On May 27 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:Please do not state that I post like a retard or a troll half the time. I find this offensive and unproductive to our discussion. It is also inaccurate. I take this game very seriously, and your implication that I do not is troubling. If you continue to insist that my posting is retarded and trolling, I will complain to the host. So your initial reasoning for why you wanted the role, as you wrote it, was: Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:46 strongandbig wrote:
So, why am I running for vice leader/pardoner? Well, last game I played was my first time being a blue role, and it was really fun; I want to try something new this game as well. But now it's Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 15:32 strongandbig wrote:
And the question "why are you trying to get a power that's almost useless for town but super useful for scum" has a retardedly obvious answer, doesn't it? So scum can't have that power? Were you lying then or are you lying now? Why is he quoting that part but completly ignoring the rest? BH may or may not have valid points, that's up to you but those points are ACTUALLY USEFUL and something to talk about. Yet he picks the only part of the post that is completly useless to town and talks about that and again, it's really easy to talk about issues like that for both alignments. + Show Spoiler [#5] +On May 27 2012 17:06 EchelonTee wrote:
The State of TL Towns
It's no secret that TL Towns have been in a state of disarray. Unfortunately, none of you know my alignment so you will be forced to take this post with a grain of salt, but hopefully you will be able to take my words in and see them as logical.
This game is starting to unfold how many typical games have gone thus far. A small handful of posters come out strong; evenly divided between strong, veteran personalities and newer, eager to play people. Mixed inbetween these people are obviously a few scum, but what inevitably happens is some newer player slips up, and then the hounds come into slay the newbie. Some people argue "don't lynch X, they are town"; others argue "why the f*** are you defending this terrible play". Meanwhile, scum can prod on these easy mislynches and cruise to victory.
This is generally how a mafia game should unfold; however, the issue lately has been that cases have been built solely on stuff like "this guy is fcking bad. he is SCUMMY", instead of analyzing motivations, actions, or agendas. Meanwhile, discussion that happens around the lynches is just downright embaressing. People going around saying "you haven't contributed shit", "you're a dipshit", etc. Often what I see said about other players is something like "Yeah, I don't think Y is scum, but he's an asshole". Because of this, loads of townies are completely unmotivated to post, because why post when people are going to shout at you, calling you a dingus? The reason why scum are allowed to lurk like crazy isn't because we aren't being aggresive enough; it's because we aren't fostering a positive enough attitude.
After reading a lot of newbie games, there are logical disconnects for sure, but one thing stands out that our games have been lacking: they are actually fucking nice to each other. They build cases based off of other people's posts. They consider everyone's view points and don't go all rambo. If you want a breath of fresh air, read a newbie game.
So, what am I actually trying to say with this stupid ass block of text? PLAY NICE. DONT BE EGOTISTICAL. I am not insulting anyone who has already posted; I am more so alarmed at the amount of people who haven't posted. And unless we encourage posting, encourage cases, people aren't going to post shit.
tl;dr - Everyone usually thinks that town's #1 priority is scumhunting. While debatable, IMO the #1 priority is create a stable town atmosphere. To that end, encourage discussion, don't stifle it.I don't by it that he's THAT frightned about the town atmosphere. That's again so easy to post from a mafia point of view and it looks like you are contributing a lot while it's so easy to do. Yeah he might have a point but he focuses on that A LOT. There's basicly nothing else in his filter + Show Spoiler [#6] +On May 27 2012 17:39 EchelonTee wrote:
I'm done arguing with you BH; it's clear that I have been patronizing in more than one way, but I hope you see the points that I've tried to make. Let's just cool down and reapproach things, ok?
Using the lynch on grush at this point is actually not as bad of an idea as I first thought. D1 lynches are hard as fck, and taking out someone bad isn't a bad plan. However, I can't agree with it for two reasons: 1. grush hasn't proven to be completely anti-town thus far, and 2. in a 30 man game, I think a D1 lynch intended to shoot at scum is possible.
I would rather go for a case that can produce more discussion/controversy (controversial lynches work better towards determining alignment), and a lynch centered around grush would merely be a conversation of "well, is he bad, or BAD?".
Going to play Dota 2. Nighty night. So policy lynching isn't bad because it's so hard to lynch mafia d1 but we should lynch mafia d1 because we have a good chance to lynch mafia d1 in his opinions? + Show Spoiler [#7] +On May 27 2012 17:50 EchelonTee wrote:People read this if you haven't please. It's not content heavy, more so a plea for people to play nice and, you know, post more. Forumite, it's fine. My opinion on that is that it's candidate dependent, aka if Pardoner's support, or Pardoner himself seems scummy, lynch away. It shouldn't be an autolynch, because it's not as anti-town as say, a suicide vigilante or a CPR doctor. More interesting though, is that in elections, often one of the top3 vote receivers is scum. I remember in TL Mafia L, where Mayor=BC(town), Pardoner=BM(scum). So it's something to consider. I totally disagree. These elections are a joke and only the mayor one is of any use if you really think you are good d1 as townie. There's no bodyguards in this election so comparing them to other games really sucks in general. The statement "withing top3 votegetters there's usually a mafia" is totally out of place considering the no-BG thing and people probaby expect the elected roles to die early on (not d1 all the time but early on in general). + Show Spoiler [#8] +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250¤tpage=16#306 And I have again that feeling that he's trying to look helpful rather than being helpful. That post is so over the top.
I'd give him a decent chance to flip mafia right now but I'd like to see him posting more because I'm not sure if he's really the best case yet but I find it troublesome that people consider him a good option right now for nothing other than his "I care about noobs"-posts.
I love breaking down PBPA because it's often always skewed to seeing things from one perspective, and when you show the town perspective, the case completely breaks down. Of even if you simply ask "how does X actually make me scummy", you find that there's nothing.
1. My point in saying the suspicious thing is to say why I would not run for mayor if I was scum, which is completely true. I honestly don't understand how I do not get figured out as scum, because there are obvious heuristics to my scum play; in this case, running for a mayor election with no protection is useless and attention grabbing for scum, and I would simply not do it. For town, it's good for the discussion, and to prove towniness. As mayor, I would be fully accountable to the lynch. I don't see how I shied away from accountability here. I said the newbie thing because it's true; yall are mean to newbies / completely ignore them. It's why I was able to stomp my first 5 games; everyone seriously underesstimated me because I was a noob. Don't ignore the newbies b/c 1. they can help or 2. they can be scum.
Of these, only the 2nd point actually indicates how I could be scummy, but it's simply not true; by running for mayor, I introduce accountability.
2.What motivation do I have for posting that if I'm scum? I could just simply lurk without saying anything. I learned that in my first game (as scum); just fcking lurk and say nothing and no one will notice. That post is, at worse, null.
3.The last election game I played, the mayor never died. He wasn't even close to dying, because town control was so good. The +1 vote is important; I've seen politician/floridian roles win games before. Not sure how me talking about the power of the mayor role makes me scummy; if the election is completely unimportant, then we should just follow kita's route; elect someone not even running.
4.I quoted that part because I was concerned (in a dickish, patronizing way) that BH was getting offended at that point. I didn't quote the rest because I agreed with the strange SnB turn, and wanted to wait for SnB to respond. I already posted this in thread.
5.I posted this b/c this is the first town game I've had in a while, and as scum I've sadly watch my friends and comrades beat the shit out of each other for no reason. Frankly, I'm tired of it. If I was scum, I wouldn't have posted that because I like winning. There is simply no reason for me to post that. Perhaps I'm being cocky (well, I did beat Foolishness, Syllo, etc etc recently...), but if I was scum, I could have posted ANYTHING ELSE and looked constructive, easily. That post isn't a scum tell at all; at worst it's null.
6.I said policy lynching isn't BAD bad, but I'd prefer not to because I think scum can be lynched. ....Yeah. How is that scummy?
7.So you disagree with my sentinment, and think my top3 comment is out of place. How does that make me scummy?
8. How does that make me scummy?
That wasn't nearly as fun as I thought it would be  I would format this post better for readability, but tbh your case is so bad LOL
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Not through the complete thread yet, will catch up later.
I'm against a policy lynch, as I think everyone should get the chance to improve. I don't like how Toadesstern claimed, and feel against voting him therefore. He is either throwing away his blue role or fakeclaiming to get the major. Both is bad.
I like Mr. Wiggles reasoning, he looks like a good candidate. The other interesting option is ET, but I will have to read through his filter again to feel more sure.
Mr. Wiggles and ET, do you already have some candidates for your lynch?
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On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:10 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL. 1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner. 2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason. 3. No. 4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP. You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said. You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town. Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol. Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK?
What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ?And no I can't be RB'ed.
Don't dip into wifom like that, it doesn't suit you.
Also, why is being mayor so important? If you really are town you should understand why some people may be hesitant to elect you, but at the same time willing to give you pardoner since (as you correctly state), you should be able to confirm yourself by day two. We've pretty much established that pardoner is a dangerous role, dumping it off to you makes a lot of sense because we can then know for sure by day two whether you're scum or not. Your continued pursuit of the mayor role is odd.
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On May 28 2012 08:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:10 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL. 1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner. 2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason. 3. No. 4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP. You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said. You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town. Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol. Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK?
What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ?And no I can't be RB'ed. Don't dip into wifom like that, it doesn't suit you. Also, why is being mayor so important? If you really are town you should understand why some people may be hesitant to elect you, but at the same time willing to give you pardoner since (as you correctly state), you should be able to confirm yourself by day two. We've pretty much established that pardoner is a dangerous role, dumping it off to you makes a lot of sense because we can then know for sure by day two whether you're scum or not. Your continued pursuit of the mayor role is odd.
I'm dead n1...I want to take a mafia with me before getting shot in the face.
And @ET I know it's not a good case but you're someone who says a lot without doing something at all.
You are saying stuff that's a null ALL THE TIME or talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about. That doesn't necessarily make you mafia yet, but it makes me wonder why you are talking about that stuff instead of something actually useful and trying to stop BH when he actually tries to contribute.
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On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:10 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL. 1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner. 2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason. 3. No. 4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP. You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said. You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town. Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol. Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK? What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ? And no I can't be RB'ed.
Actually screw that. I was just told my action is roleblockable. Or it's not and I'm only telling you that to draw the roleblock.
But it's a night action, right? :p
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Kenpachi, who do you think is scum?
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I can answer that one: It's SS
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On May 28 2012 08:28 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:10 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL. 1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner. 2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason. 3. No. 4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP. You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said. You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town. Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol. Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK?
What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ?And no I can't be RB'ed. Don't dip into wifom like that, it doesn't suit you. Also, why is being mayor so important? If you really are town you should understand why some people may be hesitant to elect you, but at the same time willing to give you pardoner since (as you correctly state), you should be able to confirm yourself by day two. We've pretty much established that pardoner is a dangerous role, dumping it off to you makes a lot of sense because we can then know for sure by day two whether you're scum or not. Your continued pursuit of the mayor role is odd. I'm dead n1...I want to take a mafia with me before getting shot in the face. And @ET I know it's not a good case but you're someone who says a lot without doing something at all. You are saying stuff that's a null ALL THE TIME or talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about. That doesn't necessarily make you mafia yet, but it makes me wonder why you are talking about that stuff instead of something actually useful and trying to stop BH when he actually tries to contribute.
The BH thing did not go the way I wanted to, so yeah lol, you have a minor point there.
But you did say "I think ET is most likely to flip mafia". That's something that I won't take lightly, Toad.
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On May 28 2012 08:28 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:10 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL. 1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner. 2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason. 3. No. 4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP. You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said. You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town. Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol. Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK?
What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ?And no I can't be RB'ed. Don't dip into wifom like that, it doesn't suit you. Also, why is being mayor so important? If you really are town you should understand why some people may be hesitant to elect you, but at the same time willing to give you pardoner since (as you correctly state), you should be able to confirm yourself by day two. We've pretty much established that pardoner is a dangerous role, dumping it off to you makes a lot of sense because we can then know for sure by day two whether you're scum or not. Your continued pursuit of the mayor role is odd. I'm dead n1...I want to take a mafia with me before getting shot in the face. And @ET I know it's not a good case but you're someone who says a lot without doing something at all. You are saying stuff that's a null ALL THE TIME or talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about. That doesn't necessarily make you mafia yet, but it makes me wonder why you are talking about that stuff instead of something actually useful and trying to stop BH when he actually tries to contribute.
Why would you claim if you think you're going to die n1? It's a waste of a useful mason power to possibly get 1 mafia lynched. It seems you could have used the mason role a lot more effectively by not claiming. Also, you have no advantage over other candidates in finding mafia so I don't see why you were so eager to be mayor that you role claimed. You'll probably say you wanted to ensure mayor was town but given the ratio of town to mafia and the fact that people won't vote for players they think are scum the mayor would probably be town anyways. Furthermore, as mentioned earlier, mafia might not even be running for the mayor position due to there being no bodyguards.
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On May 28 2012 08:28 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:10 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL. 1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner. 2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason. 3. No. 4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP. You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said. You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town. Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol. Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK?
What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ?And no I can't be RB'ed. Don't dip into wifom like that, it doesn't suit you. Also, why is being mayor so important? If you really are town you should understand why some people may be hesitant to elect you, but at the same time willing to give you pardoner since (as you correctly state), you should be able to confirm yourself by day two. We've pretty much established that pardoner is a dangerous role, dumping it off to you makes a lot of sense because we can then know for sure by day two whether you're scum or not. Your continued pursuit of the mayor role is odd. I'm dead n1...I want to take a mafia with me before getting shot in the face. And @ET I know it's not a good case but you're someone who says a lot without doing something at all. You are saying stuff that's a null ALL THE TIME or talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about. That doesn't necessarily make you mafia yet, but it makes me wonder why you are talking about that stuff instead of something actually useful and trying to stop BH when he actually tries to contribute.
Okay you want to take a mafia out, do you have any scumreads yet? Why do u want to be mayor so bad? You wouldn't get shot(most likely) if you didn't claim Mason. It only makes sense if you are a lyncher.
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There are currently 14(!!) people with 3 or less posts. 8 of those people have ZERO posts. We won't be able to win a game like this; it's not TL L where we have a couple of scumhunting gosus.
If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it ploxxxxx
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss
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On May 28 2012 08:43 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:28 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:10 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL. 1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner. 2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason. 3. No. 4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP. You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said. You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town. Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol. Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK?
What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ?And no I can't be RB'ed. Don't dip into wifom like that, it doesn't suit you. Also, why is being mayor so important? If you really are town you should understand why some people may be hesitant to elect you, but at the same time willing to give you pardoner since (as you correctly state), you should be able to confirm yourself by day two. We've pretty much established that pardoner is a dangerous role, dumping it off to you makes a lot of sense because we can then know for sure by day two whether you're scum or not. Your continued pursuit of the mayor role is odd. I'm dead n1...I want to take a mafia with me before getting shot in the face. And @ET I know it's not a good case but you're someone who says a lot without doing something at all. You are saying stuff that's a null ALL THE TIME or talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about. That doesn't necessarily make you mafia yet, but it makes me wonder why you are talking about that stuff instead of something actually useful and trying to stop BH when he actually tries to contribute. Okay you want to take a mafia out, do you have any scumreads yet? Why do u want to be mayor so bad? You wouldn't get shot(most likely) if you didn't claim Mason. It only makes sense if you are a lyncher.
I think I would have been shot either way, which was the reason for the claim. I intended to claim n1 in case of surviving n1 but once people said (hey there SS) they're running for mayor on the base of lynching me I thought screw this it's not a big deal anyways.
I'd say I'm within the top3 or top5 guys that are likely to be shoot at night. Considering that there's AT LEAST 4 KP around on n1 and that I probably won't get protection over people like wiggles or VE I'd say I'm dead either way.
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On May 28 2012 08:37 EchelonTee wrote:
Kenpachi, who do you think is scum?
who do i think is scum you ask?
ive been out today.
reading thread
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