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Hyaach
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Probulous
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On June 05 2012 11:42 Hyaach wrote: Im sorry but i cant find your breadcrumb. As far as I can tell his crumb is that he did not doubt MZ's claim. That makes me a medic too, and you as well. Hell most of the thread are medics  | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
On May 30 2012 14:55 kitaman27 wrote: Not much substance to this post, but here are my thoughts for alternative candidates. Hassybaby has not shared his opinion on a single player this game. I'd like to request a large post from him within the next 24 hours or he should be strongly considered as a vig target tommorrow night. Zealos has disappeared. As a lynch candidate, he needs to be extremely active today if he hopes to stay out of trouble. marvellosity's filter is far too safe for my liking. GambitX32's two posts look as if he knew he would be expected to share his opinion, but had nothing to say, so he just made a few generic statements about a bunch of players. I don't see anything of value that his post adds to the thread. I'm unwilling to trust Wiggles, but I'm unable to put together anything close to a valid case against him. With myself and Meapak being town, it doesn't bode well for him for him from a balance perspective, although VE could also serve as the scum leader. S&B and Manason are still sketchy. I want a more developed case from each of them that adds something to the thread. | ||
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Manason
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kitaman27
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On June 05 2012 11:39 Probulous wrote: Your claim is just that, a claim, and I don't buy it. We have no way of verifying it, so we judge you based on your posts. What is the alternative? We let you live indefinitely? You are not confirmed town, you are the major lynch target who has claimed a very convenient role which I don't think is true. Do you even believe what you're saying? Of course the claim is verifiable. I saved Meapak on night one. If there is another medic who saved Meapak night one, then they role claim. If no medic claims, then my role is verified. You don't have to worry about letting me live indefinitely because no other medic claiming means I must be the one who made the save. Are you honestly saying that a mislynch + 2 night hits is worth more than the non-existant medic's identity? Medics are nice, but if they have the opportunity to confirm a player as scum, then a role claim is more than worth giving up a day or two of their hidden identity. Can someone else please come in here and talk some sense into the town? On June 05 2012 11:42 Hyaach wrote: Im sorry but i cant find your breadcrumb. Its the part in bold. Notice how I make no mention of the bugs hit. I even breadcrumbed my actual role name. You can't get any clearer than this: On May 31 2012 01:29 kitaman27 wrote: BREADCRUMB?! Are you claiming Professor Membrane, the creator of supertoast?! ![[image loading]](http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/foolishxearthxcreature/default/professor-membrane-toast--large-msg-119759279368.jpg) | ||
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kitaman27
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On June 05 2012 11:48 Manason wrote: Kita is just making a desperate attempt at saving himself from the lynch. Kill the scum. ##Vote: Kitaman27 That is 100% false. If I'm not the medic, then I am 100% getting lynched today because there would be a counter-claim. How does this claim save myself? | ||
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Manason
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On June 05 2012 11:50 kitaman27 wrote: Do you even believe what you're saying? Of course the claim is verifiable. I saved Meapak on night one. If there is another medic who saved Meapak night one, then they role claim. If no medic claims, then my role is verified. You don't have to worry about letting me live indefinitely because no other medic claiming means I must be the one who made the save. Are you honestly saying that a mislynch + 2 night hits is worth more than the non-existant medic's identity? Medics are nice, but if they have the opportunity to confirm a player as scum, then a role claim is more than worth giving up a day or two of their hidden identity. Can someone else please come in here and talk some sense into the town? Its the part in bold. Notice how I make no mention of the bugs hit. I even breadcrumbed my actual role name. You can't get any clearer than this: This is just a ploy so that your scum buddies can kill the actual medic tonight. | ||
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kitaman27
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*Launches the Meapak signal* ![[image loading]](http://static.zoovy.com/img/toynk/W500-H500-Bffffff/D/dcd_apr080294_ca.jpg) I'd even be willing to get defended by a mafia Wiggles or Hassy at this point -_- | ||
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kitaman27
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kitaman27
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Town got screwed because they never established a set of "confirmed" townies. No-one is ever 100% confirmed but you were all suspecting each other all game long which meant mafia could easily blend in. | ||
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Probulous
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How about you give us your scum list? Who would you lynch today? | ||
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Probulous
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On June 05 2012 12:06 kitaman27 wrote: lol @ prob's summary of the most recent mini game <3  I think we have a pretty clear idea who is town in this game. I am sure you have a much better picture but we are certainly in a stronger position than the town in that game. Relevance? | ||
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Hyaach
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im actually leaning to believing Kitaman27 right now. I urge town to read this case thorough before sheeping. Manason needs to die. | ||
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Manason
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On June 05 2012 12:14 Hyaach wrote: have to go school. im actually leaning to believing Kitaman27 right now. I urge town to read this case thorough before sheeping. Manason needs to die. On what basis do you believe Kita? | ||
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kitaman27
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kitaman27
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On day one, he announces that he will be focusing on the mayoral candidacies. Not once does he mention the day one lynch. When explaining his reasoning for voting, he doesn't actually make a choice, claiming he is satisified with both candidates. He votes for ET, stating that he would rather have Wiggles win the pardoner role. Why is his vote based on the role mechanics, rather than the player ET or Wiggles wishes to lynch? On day two, Hassybaby's only topic of discussion is regarding the VE lynch and the possibility of him being town. Not once does he bring up an alternate candidate for the lynch. With five minutes remaining in the cycle, he decides to unvote. The player he decides to switch to? Zealos. With only five minutes remaining in the game, the player Hassy switches too is irrelevant. However, what is strange is that hassy has only mentioned zealos once the entire game, during which he soft defends him. How does he suddenly become his prefered lynch target? The scum team knew that zealos would be modkilled, as he had failed to vote during the cycle. I suspect Hassy used this opportunity to gain town cred with his meaningless vote on a player who was going to flip red in a matter of minutes. On June 01 2012 08:15 Hassybaby wrote: Wait....what does Zealos' role mean? Does he control all of scum KP or just one? After this flip, hassy inquires about the mechanics of Zealos's role. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a town player would ever consider the existance of a mafia role that controls all three of their kp. On day three, Hassy delivers his first read of the game, a short case against Manason. However, at no point does he actually push his prefered lynch. At the end of the day, he switches his vote to Gambit, stating that he Gambit is a confirmed scum. He states that the scum kp will be reduced, before the actual flip as if it were fact. If he was so confident about gambit, then why is main read Manason? Hassybaby appears to be along for the ride this game and would make a fine lynch candidate today. I will be back later to share my opinion on Wiggles and the remaining players in the game. | ||
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kitaman27
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Mr. Wiggles
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On June 05 2012 08:19 EchelonTee wrote: Hrmm. Well we should go one lynch at a time anyways; no need to see big grand mafia connections, especially when you never know if a crafty scum player has been hiding long time. I know I keep on repeating that, but just saying; the intent of scum is to escape notice, so it's possible that one of our entrenched "townies" could just be an especially good scum player. AKA, don't ignore me+others just because it seems like we're town or whatever. Wiggles, opinion on today's lynch? Kita, I was going to say Kita, but after his claim, I need to re-assess. Breadcrumbs don't do anything for me, so I'm going to base what I think on the basis of his posting, and how likely I think it is that there's a non-claiming medic if MZ doesn't turn out to be a vet. On June 05 2012 12:24 kitaman27 wrote: Something else that I forget to mention is that I know 100% that Meapak wasn't saved by a veteran passive ability. Reads to come in about an hour or two. How do you know that? Also, if you are town, what do you think of ET and Kenpachi? Why did you just claim today instead of trying to argue against what people have said against you, or alternatively just push for the lynch of someone you think is scum? One of the things that's making me more reticent about your claim is that you didn't push for anyone else first, and you underplay the value of the medic, which seems weird considering you become more likely to make a save as the game goes on and those saves become more devastating to the mafia. | ||
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kitaman27
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How else would I know this? Because I saved him. Just to be clear, are you supporting the "medic should counter-claim if they exist" plan or the "lynch kita plan"? We need to clear me so no player has an excuse to keep their vote on me today and cause a no-lynch or mislynch. On June 05 2012 13:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Why did you just claim today instead of trying to argue against what people have said against you, or alternatively just push for the lynch of someone you think is scum? One of the things that's making me more reticent about your claim is that you didn't push for anyone else first, and you underplay the value of the medic, which seems weird considering you become more likely to make a save as the game goes on and those saves become more devastating to the mafia. As I said before, I felt I would be unable to argue against this today. The entire cycle yesterday was wasted by me having to defend myself and no one was willing to listen to my response. Keeping my identity safe is important, however, not as important as an entire day's discussion and the threat of a mislynch and night hits. If I'm the clear easy lynch target, then we have two days in a row where players are no required to share their opinion, which is awful for late game. I could have waited until later in the cycle to claim, but with the inactivity displayed by the players yesterday, I had no faith that we would be able to accomplish anything in a 10 hour period. I'll comment on ET and Kenpachi later, but I'd really like to hear from you first. The entire game I feel you have been gauging where the town seems to be going and then showing up later in the cycle to share your opinions. Is there a reason why you aren't the one who is leading the lynch? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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On June 05 2012 13:49 kitaman27 wrote: How else would I know this? Because I saved him. Just to be clear, are you supporting the "medic should counter-claim if they exist" plan or the "lynch kita plan"? We need to clear me so no player has an excuse to keep their vote on me today and cause a no-lynch or mislynch. As I said before, I felt I would be unable to argue against this today. The entire cycle yesterday was wasted by me having to defend myself and no one was willing to listen to my response. Keeping my identity safe is important, however, not as important as an entire day's discussion and the threat of a mislynch and night hits. If I'm the clear easy lynch target, then we have two days in a row where players are no required to share their opinion, which is awful for late game. I could have waited until later in the cycle to claim, but with the inactivity displayed by the players yesterday, I had no faith that we would be able to accomplish anything in a 10 hour period. I'll comment on ET and Kenpachi later, but I'd really like to hear from you first. The entire game I feel you have been gauging where the town seems to be going and then showing up later in the cycle to share your opinions. Is there a reason why you aren't the one who is leading the lynch? I think that if there's a medic who saved MZ or MZ is a vet, they should claim. The thing is, I've played with some people who don't really like to play out situations optimally, with stuff like not claiming their vig shots, or if they took a hit or RB, or whatever. So, even if I tell them to claim (which I am now), there's still the possibility that they think their role is more valuable than just outing you, especially if they think we'll lynch you anyways, so I need to weigh against the possibility of that as well. And no, there's no particular reason I'm not leading the lynch, I'm just not. I'm doing prep for a test I'm taking next week in the afternoon and early evening, and I eat dinner around the deadline as well, so that could be creating the sense that I'm hanging out for a while before posting if that's what you mean. | ||
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