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On June 05 2012 08:14 Toadesstern wrote:there: Show nested quote +four mafia left, possibly some third party but that's doubtful to me.
These people need to die immediately:
kita
maju
papanda
manason
any of them flip town and we need to kill Austin and Hassy as well, potentially. I lean town on them both for now given that the named four above look much worse. I'm leaning on austin being town as well and would rather put someone else on spot 6 but I'm just quoting bugs
I'm with ET on this one. Seems a little lobsided to have a scum team with only Kita as a leader. The others are all newbs and against a town that has
MZ
WBG
supersoft
Forumite
BH
VE (when he is on form)
Wiggles
Seems a little one-sided. Best to keep eyes open for scum leaders. I agree wholeheartedly with Maju. Manason is a possibility.
WBG's case on Papanda seems to based off of this
On June 04 2012 13:13 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 12:57 papapanda wrote:
Kenpachi, reading through your filter again I saw that you fos me. Can you post some things I can try to defend against if you still find me scummy? I'll be out the rest of tonight, but I will respond as soon as I can. based on this post I'm going to assume you are scum and that kenpachi is town. Thanks for making it that easy.
Did he say anything else?
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wbg's protection N1 was definitely from jailing, don't remember N2 specifically. So if blues stayed on the same targets each night, with supersoft dead he was vulnerable.
Gonna start the game day with the breakfast of champions, a vote for kita.
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I just quoted what he said. I disagree with a couple of things. As mentioned I would put hassy on 3 or 4. I'd probably put wiggles in there as well something like 4 or 5.
Yeah there was a reason for thinking wiggles and hassy are more likely townish but I totally disagree with it.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:42 austinmcc wrote:
Gonna start the game day with the breakfast of champions, a vote for kita.
First time you've really mentioned suspicion of me. In fact, you stated you disagreed with the case against me. Why are you voting for me over your top scum suspects you listed earlier?
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Went to go looking for something but quote, but you're right. I hadn't spoken up on that. However, I started off yesterday the same way. You had my vote until G32 came back and posted.+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2012 23:49 austinmcc wrote:
Going to put my vote on kita at the moment. Happy to switch it later if needed. Despite nobody coming forward and thinking Gambit is town, nobody (except Kita) has really come forward and said that about kita either.
It's not a big preference on my part, but I don't want to swing everything to Gambit too early. All/most of our very low volume posters have popped in and voted Gambit, which makes me want to sit on the other side at this point.
I did disagree with VE's case on you. Perhaps it's me being new, but I'm not a big fan of meta-based cases. Going to assume it's more difficult to play different from one's meta than I imagine, but for now I'd prefer a case made off of in-game actions. Part 1 of VE's case was pure meta, Part 2 was based on certain aspects of your interaction with Toad's candidacy and the possibility of him being lyncher. So I wasn't going to vote for you off of VE's case, because (1) I had scummier reads and (2) didn't find VE's case in particular compelling.
However, VE isn't the only player to have spoken up, to some extent, I suppose I'm sheeping on this one. Prob posted a case that felt more compelling than VE's, particularly in the way he expanded upon the Toad/lyncher interaction and followed it further into the game. Furthermore, it just doesn't look great in general when townies keep dying with you as one of their main scum reads. While you can say that's just mafia setting you up for a mislynch, you've been a serious lynch candidate for days now and so it's not like they've been aiming shots to make you look scummy, you looked scummy to a lot of the thread before the shots went out.
As far as voting for you over my top suspects from earlier - i put out a list of 7 filters that I read. Not everyone in the game, and it wasn't supposed to be all my thoughts, just some filters I'd freshly read. Haven't been contributing as much as I'd like, so I put those out there. You weren't included because you were being actively discussed for the last few days, and I was digging through some other filters. I do still believe manason and papapanda look scummy, but part of manason's looking scummy is the way he brought you and zealos up as scummy with no cases.
So yeah, this vote does look more out of left field than I thought it would. I voted for you yesterday but didn't push that. I disagreed with VE's case, but not because I found you particularly towny, only because the case on you didn't convince me more than the case on him.
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OK austin, what are your thoughts on Hyaach and papapanda?
It would be most excellent if you could include a quote or two to explain why you think they are the alignment you think they are. That made sense in my head.
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On June 05 2012 10:08 Probulous wrote:
OK austin, what are your thoughts on Hyaach and papapanda?
Hyaach
Town read. Not the strongest one I've got, but I can give a couple reasons.
On May 31 2012 01:18 Hyaach wrote:
Basing lynch due to game balance is not a compelling case at all.
Again, this may be one of those bits where newer players see things differently, but I agreed with this statement. + Show Spoiler +Speculation about whether Greymist stacked scum with vets, who would qualify as vet/some middle tier/new, and the like didn't quite do it for me. It wasn't a topic of discussion for long, but my thoughts were in line with Hyaach's. I'd rather stick with in-game actions than speculate about how Greymist organized his games. You guys have a legitimate argument that you want vets scum-side, but deliberately stacking things as such would become predictable and then every game would feature a D1 listing vets and how many vets are probably scum, etc. It's kind of in the same vein as trying to read modkills/replacements for scum, where not modkilling someone might mean they're scum and host doesn't want to wreck the game. If you made full-on policies about these things, those discussions would ruin any value in stacking the scum team or doctoring modkills/replacements. /minirantoff
He's then...I won't pull up quotes. Wiggles wiggles wiggles. While I guess mayor is most important on D1 and late game where the double vote can swing things, the constant questioning of wiggles is something I'm alright with.
I dislike the way he played the D2 lynch, but don't necessarily read it as scummy.On June 02 2012 00:13 Hyaach wrote:
no a no lynch on a VT is better than a no-lynch. a lynch on a claimed VIG is not better than a no-lynch. We had the other option of lynching Zealos and getting VE to shoot someone.
so ur reasoning is a lazy town whose not trying. scum mb? While I don't agree with the statement that lynching a VT is better than a no-lynch, this post is too messy for me to read. He's okay with mislynching a VT, but doesn't want to mislynch a vig (even though the vig can't ever really be confirmed). And even though I disagreed strongly with the leave VE alive for a night plan (potentially requires watcher claiming, never certain of VE's alignment, etc.), I disagreed mainly with the logic.
Frankly, there's not much else there. It's a very weak town read from those posts. Most of my town read on him is because of below
Papapanda
Scummy, but again, there's not a boatload to work with. Here's my bit on him last night - + Show Spoiler +On June 02 2012 06:14 austinmcc wrote:papapanda papapanda has similar intereactions with zealos, but using hyaach is an alternative. Again, doesn't seem to focus on why zealos is/isn't scummy, but just wondering why you wouldn't go with hyaach isntead. What also stuck out to me was - + Show Spoiler +On June 01 2012 06:12 papapanda wrote:
Gambit didn't respond yet, if he ninjas today he is dead tomorrow.
. Again, not much on its own, but if you find him scummy, he brings up the possibility of a G32 ninja vote before G32 does so, which can hint at that being the scum plan for G32 to vote without having to be here and respond to questions.
The similar interaction bit was referencing Ange, who I was suspicious of because of the way he was always pushing G32 over zealos. Now that both of them have flipped scum (and Ange town), that one's no longer valid. But papa was playing the same game with zealos and hyaach. See:On May 30 2012 11:29 papapanda wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 30 2012 10:45 Kenpachi wrote:On May 30 2012 10:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 30 2012 10:42 Kenpachi wrote:
and fuck. Forumite started the zealos wagon. No point in trying to read a dead player :l It's important to note that Forumite was trying to find and kill scum (presuming Zim is scum...I can't think of a reason why he wouldn't be.) yes but i figured Zealos is an easy as hell target to bandwagon on so i thought if we backtrack to those who rolled the wagon, we can find tracks of scum Oh I see what you meant - see that's why ever-so-slightly larger posts are sometimes necessary Ken. LOL Whattt? I haven't mentioned zealos at all yet. Looking at zealos, cwave, phagga, and gambit, I would go with the gambit lynch. cwave and phagga are heading down the modkill road, and zealos at least is posting, meaning at least we have a chance to spot it if he is mafia. Even so, hyaach is still the most suspicious from the lurkers. As I mentioned before, the first thing he ask is if he had to vote, remember, this game is extended majority vote, meaning every single vote is needed. His post count is similar to zealos but I found his recent post hard to understand and noncontributing to any discussion, Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 09:32 Hyaach wrote:
Because mz was posting alot and looking relatively townish. Why would mafia tried to hit him? why not snipe a vet whose lurking? Mafia knows his not on their team so his enemy 3rd party or not Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 09:36 Hyaach wrote:
And because of all the shitstorm last night about who is important who isnt whose doing a wrong lynch and random ppl calling for nonsensical vig shots targettinf a vet whose doesnt have a target paint on hisbhead is all more likely?
In my phone in school My question, is zealos a better lynch candidate than hyaach?PS: Grush has starsenses. On May 31 2012 07:01 papapanda wrote:
Weird that people are still picking the likes of Phagga or Zealous over Hyaach as lynch target, if based on posted material...
His original suspicion of Hyaach is here, + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2012 06:45 papapanda wrote:
Of all the filter I read so far, Hyaach catches my attention.
He has played a few games before, surely he know being neutral is a telltale sign of mafia.
Hyaach wanted to abstain from today's vote, and as of now, his vote is still on Meepak.
In you're last post you mention MrWiggles as a good candidate, are you going to act on that?
It is important to vote for someone who is planing to lynch a person who you believe to be scum. But even more important to vote for someone who you think is town. Remember, the first lynch is just a part of the President's power, the two votes counts for the rest of the game, which is much more important than the first day.
So for myself, after reading ET's post, I will put my vote on MrWiggles. I think he has shown his ability to analyse others slightly better than ET. I also want to say I also support ET and thanks for your analysis.
Beyond that, there's some general lurkiness/low contribution going on. I award 0 town points for voting G32, because practically everyone did.
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we finally doing this? good.
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I think papapanda is scummy and was just easing things away from Zealos, he was always easing them towards Hyaach without too much reasoning (To be fair, I thought Hyaach's no-vote thought and eventual vote were bad plays, but not scummy). Hmm that is what I am grappling with.
Papapanda did defend Zealos by pushing Hyaach over him, but he FOS'd Hyaach very early. I had similar suspicions about Hyaach so I can understand where he was coming from. Zealos was, and always was, a lurker, so choosing someone you have a scum read on over a lurker is not terrible. Unfortunately for Papapanda Zealos flipped scum and now he looks like he was trying to avoid voting for him.
However I agree with WBG's point about this
On June 04 2012 13:13 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 12:57 papapanda wrote:
Kenpachi, reading through your filter again I saw that you fos me. Can you post some things I can try to defend against if you still find me scummy? I'll be out the rest of tonight, but I will respond as soon as I can. based on this post I'm going to assume you are scum and that kenpachi is town. Thanks for making it that easy. He avoids everyone else, doesn't bother to find the case, doesn't respond to any other case and doesn't bother pushing his own scum reads. Oh and he responds to Kenpachi who is another lurker instead of the others who are actually participating in the thread. It just rings scum, scum, scum.
Anyone else have an idea about the panda man? People seem to have him labelled as mafia so it would be nice to have something fleshy to look at. Does one post a case make?
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
With so few people willing to listen to anything I have to say, it seems unlikely that I will be argue myself out of a lynch today. Even if I am able, it will be a waste of discussion and I'd rather have a full day to go after actual scum targets than defend myself.
I am a Medic. I saved Meapak from a hit on night one. I have been on Toad night two and three. Don't waste time discussing whether or not my claim is real. If there is another medic who claims to have saved Meapak night one, then he can counter-claim me. Otherwise, I am confirmed town and we can end this lynch Kita nonsense. I'll make a post about my suspects later tonight.
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On June 05 2012 10:57 Kenpachi wrote:
we finally doing this? good.
ROFL, well we did lynch scum yesterday so no harm done right?
Ken, since you're here. Aside from Kita, I assume you still want to lynch papapanda?
On May 30 2012 10:43 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote papapanda intuition tells me hes mafia
On June 01 2012 10:31 Kenpachi wrote:
...if ihad a gun, id shoot papapanda. i know hes mafia. i just know it
Anything to add to this? We don't all have your godly intuition.
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dunno. But im going to be adamant and say id be happy to lynch him
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On June 05 2012 11:15 kitaman27 wrote:
With so few people willing to listen to anything I have to say, it seems unlikely that I will be argue myself out of a lynch today. Even if I am able, it will be a waste of discussion and I'd rather have a full day to go after actual scum targets than defend myself.
I am a Medic. I saved Meapak from a hit on night one. I have been on Toad night two and three. Don't waste time discussing whether or not my claim is real. If there is another medic who claims to have saved Meapak night one, then he can counter-claim me. Otherwise, I am confirmed town and we can end this lynch Kita nonsense. I'll make a post about my suspects later tonight.
Blatant attempt to out our medic. Scum know there is one because a shot was blocked on Night 1 and now since Kita is likely to be lynched he suddenly becomes our medic. No this is way too convenient and unfortunately the only way to tell for sure is to out another blue, or lynch him. Based on his posting I say we lynch him.
Don't be sheep.
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I urge the last medic to not claim and we lynch Kita today. It obvious we only have 1 saving power at night and if you claim, its a game a WIFOM at night.
or i could be wrong and Kita is the medic but i doubt so.
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Yeah. Be brave. Save Earth
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On June 05 2012 11:15 kitaman27 wrote:
With so few people willing to listen to anything I have to say, it seems unlikely that I will be argue myself out of a lynch today. Even if I am able, it will be a waste of discussion and I'd rather have a full day to go after actual scum targets than defend myself.
I am a Medic. I saved Meapak from a hit on night one. I have been on Toad night two and three. Don't waste time discussing whether or not my claim is real. If there is another medic who claims to have saved Meapak night one, then he can counter-claim me. Otherwise, I am confirmed town and we can end this lynch Kita nonsense. I'll make a post about my suspects later tonight.
so fucked
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On June 05 2012 11:09 Probulous wrote:However I agree with WBG's point about this Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 13:13 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 04 2012 12:57 papapanda wrote:
Kenpachi, reading through your filter again I saw that you fos me. Can you post some things I can try to defend against if you still find me scummy? I'll be out the rest of tonight, but I will respond as soon as I can. based on this post I'm going to assume you are scum and that kenpachi is town. Thanks for making it that easy. He avoids everyone else, doesn't bother to find the case, doesn't respond to any other case and doesn't bother pushing his own scum reads. Oh and he responds to Kenpachi who is another lurker instead of the others who are actually participating in the thread. It just rings scum, scum, scum. Anyone else have an idea about the panda man? People seem to have him labelled as mafia so it would be nice to have something fleshy to look at. Does one post a case make?
Oops, that quote didn't make it into my thoughts, but I saw it. I guess I didn't share the same thoughts about Hyaach from the start, so I'm less likely to look at him as a proper non-Zealos target. And it feels like too much is resting on that early FoS, which never really got supported by any further reasoning. So either papapanda is legitimately suspicious or Hyaach's lack of a robust filter helps papapanda by not forcing him to give further thoughts.
About to head to bed, so not going to get into Kita's claim at the moment. Will save for tomorrow.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 05 2012 11:25 Probulous wrote:
Blatant attempt to out our medic. Scum know there is one because a shot was blocked on Night 1 and now since Kita is likely to be lynched he suddenly becomes our medic. No this is way too convenient and unfortunately the only way to tell for sure is to out another blue, or lynch him. Based on his posting I say we lynch him.
Don't be sheep.
On June 05 2012 11:25 Hyaach wrote:
I urge the last medic to not claim and we lynch Kita today. It obvious we only have 1 saving power at night and if you claim, its a game a WIFOM at night.
You've got to be kidding me. This is such a poor idea it hurts my head.
We have the ability to stop a mislynch and confirm myself as town, yet you don't want to go through with it because the non-existant other medic may have a really slim chance to make a save on day five or day six (after which the game is probably over)?
I'm not sure if you'd be a bold enough scum to oppose this plan or are just tunneling so hard you refuse to consider that I am town.
On May 30 2012 14:55 kitaman27 wrote:
With myself and Meapak being town, it doesn't bode well for him for him from a balance perspective, although VE could also serve as the scum leader.
I even breadcrumbed the save. I don't consider that Meapak could be fake-claiming the hit because I saved him. Please don't waste time arguing of this nonsense.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 05 2012 11:27 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 11:15 kitaman27 wrote:
With so few people willing to listen to anything I have to say, it seems unlikely that I will be argue myself out of a lynch today. Even if I am able, it will be a waste of discussion and I'd rather have a full day to go after actual scum targets than defend myself.
I am a Medic. I saved Meapak from a hit on night one. I have been on Toad night two and three. Don't waste time discussing whether or not my claim is real. If there is another medic who claims to have saved Meapak night one, then he can counter-claim me. Otherwise, I am confirmed town and we can end this lynch Kita nonsense. I'll make a post about my suspects later tonight. so fucked
I'm possibly willing to give prob a pass, but I know for a fact that you have enough experience to know that I'm the true medic if I'm making a claim like this with a save. Are you still saying I should be lynched? Careful with your answer.
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On June 05 2012 11:33 kitaman27 wrote:
We have the ability to stop a mislynch and confirm myself as town, yet you don't want to go through with it because the non-existant other medic may have a really slim chance to make a save on day five or day six (after which the game is probably over)? I don't believe your claim, so yes there is another medic, who would be town. Point being that if the medic claims than we lynch you anyway and he gets shot overnight. Your claim is just that, a claim, and I don't buy it. We have no way of verifying it, so we judge you based on your posts. What is the alternative? We let you live indefinitely? You are not confirmed town, you are the major lynch target who has claimed a very convenient role which I don't think is true.
I'm not sure if you'd be a bold enough scum to oppose this plan or are just tunneling so hard you refuse to consider that I am town. So I'm scum now. Wriggle some more.
Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 14:55 kitaman27 wrote:
With myself and Meapak being town, it doesn't bode well for him for him from a balance perspective, although VE could also serve as the scum leader. I even breadcrumbed the save. I don't consider that Meapak could be fake-claiming the hit because I saved him. Please don't waste time arguing of this nonsense.
Right so the fact that you took MZ claimed hit at face value is a crumb? Does that mean that everyone in this thread who didn't doubt MZ's claim is also breadcrumbing a save? Sorry but this adds nothing to your defence.
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