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@mattchew the problem with assigning all the roles is that there are roles that we dont want mafia to know who has it AKA doctor/cop/ext. I think a well thought out listing of teired roles sould be used after the denial roles. That way, there should be less overlap of town roles picked, and Mafia does not know who has what. something like picks 1-4 = denial roles 5-10 = tier 1 roles 11-15 = tier 2 roles 16-20 = tier 3 roles whats everyones thoughts on that? | ||
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On May 15 2012 02:11 risk.nuke wrote: I don't like it. It's just making it easier for the mafia to get powerroles they want. Remember they only got 4 picks. The point of a tiered system is to maximize the amount of roles town gets. Without some kind of picking plan, we could end up with alot of Vanilla townies. also, we are still denying OP mafia roles. | ||
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On May 15 2012 02:26 risk.nuke wrote: No. It will just allow scum to pick freely in lower tires and aside from assisting the scum locate which blues are where multiple people in the in the same tier will likely accidently go for the same role and end up vanilla anyway . hmm, ok, I see your point. I still think its a good idea to list the roles in order of importance, but I will dewell on a better idea to impliment it... | ||
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CPR, while powerful, has no way of traseing its kill, so its not an accountable role like the others are. If scum get #1 pick and we tell him to take CPR, he can just grap something else powerful, and leave cpr for his buddy down at the bottom. | ||
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So how about this, we deny the role by having CPR on the the pick list, and then we have the assigied RBer RB em till we are sure of alignment. Should the first lynch drop vanilla, we Doc the CPR so copycat becomes a non issue. The only hole with this plan is if both the roleblocker and CPR end up in Mafia hands, whitch is highly unlikely. | ||
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If mafia get RB and town get CPR: Townie does not shoot anyways. if mafia does not RB him, next morning CPR goes "hey! i wasent RBed last night!" = dead scum. If mafia get CPR and town gets RB, then mafias best power is constatly roleblocked = good for us. the issue is if mafia is suposed to pick CPR, but then grabs something else, and lets his buddy down the line grab it... | ||
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On May 15 2012 04:52 Toadesstern wrote: that's why I assigned #1 AND #2 to pick CPR as a fool safety and we don't have that problem. The CPR shoots the RB (at least) the first night and if we force the RB to make what we want to to do, not by teling him what to do but by forcing him to do it or he's toast. That sounds awesome to me. Only way this could go wrong is a no-lynch or a mafia ending up with #1 draft in which case any plan to deny mafia the strongest role would fail, because they can simply pick it. no, because there are other RB that we cant acount for, so we should have the CPR hold his shot. What happens if someone RBs the RBer? ... exactly | ||
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1. CPR 2. Janitor 3. RB I also 100% agree with everything Qatol has said. this is a marathon for town. We should focus less on KP roles, and use old fashon analysis to kill scum. A combination of defensive roles along with DT type roles would serve us best, not that the odd vig is a bad idea though. | ||
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On May 15 2012 05:27 Qatol wrote: While this is great, don't announce something like this. Keep the mafia guessing about which role you will be picking. You don't need us to validate your pick. (Though if anyone picks Tracker, I will criticize you in the postgame - it's an awful role in this format.) I disagree with a few things here. First of all, I didn't say we should focus less on KP roles. I just said that we shouldn't put a huge emphasis on grabbing them. I'm sure the mafia are thinking very hard about grabbing Vigiliante for its 2 night kills, for example, so townies should consider grabbing it first. Remember, each vanilla goon/SK is a gigantic win for the town. That being said, the defensive roles and investigative roles will play a more active part in helping the town win (rather than the passive role of defensively picking roles such as Vigilante). Second of all, I don't think Roleblocker is so important that it must be assigned. I think the uncertainty of the mafia not knowing the location of the role is more valuable. In fact, it might actually be better to use the Jailkeeper on the CPR doctor anyways (because that protects him from dying + still prevents the shot). yeah, the bolded part is what I wish I said instead  100% agreeI still would like to assign the RB, just because it creates more acountablity. But if everyone else thinks that its not a problem, I guess im not bothered by leaving it out of assignment. But it goes without saying that whoever gets the Jailkeeper, its your job for at least the first night to Jail the CPR, and every night after that till we can be sure of his or her alignment. | ||
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We are 100% assigning slots 1 and 2 for CPR and Janitor. Anyone disagreeing with this plan beter back it up with some really good reasoning. The remaining question is do we want to assign the RBer, to be used as toads and I's plan discussed earlier? thoughts? | ||
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If both are town = sweet, then we control the role blocker, and we can use the CPR doc for shots on scum later in the game when our aim will be better If 1 town/scum = not bad. If the roleblocker is scum, he still has to roleblock the CPR doc, or get lynched. If the CPR is scum, we get to roleblock them. If the scum decides to drop the CPR to his buddy, whatever role he picks will still be RBed by town, making whatever the next powerful role he picked useless. If both are scum = not good, but very VERY unlikely. with your plan, If both are town = good, but not great. Sure we know where the CPR doc is, but we have one VT that could have been a RB, giving him a role, and denying one for scum. If 1 town/scum = not good. ether scum gets CPR doc with no backups, or better yet for them, scum can chose whatever they want and simply "confirm" that the top pick has CPR doc. If both are scum = really bad  between these 2 plans, I think mine is the better pick. | ||
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Basicly, I think that using roles to control the top spots picks is superior to using double picks because: *power roles that can cotrol the cpr doc are more usful later in the game when we can use the role for towns advatage. * choseing a RBer denys' the role for scum. * Double picking will lead to VTowns, but not VScums. On May 15 2012 06:16 deconduo wrote: If we do decide to go with set picks, we need to have a solid decision before the draft order goes through. Mafia will change their preferences based on what positions they get so we can't have any more discussion once the order is revealed. 100% agree. We make a plan, and there is no changing it after the draft phase. | ||
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On May 15 2012 07:32 slOosh wrote: Also I want to discuss the Copy Cat further - it says that it copies the first power role, and with the possibility that scum will take something like angry vig and shoot whoever to copy cat the janitor/cpr? Shouldn't it be a role up for denial solely because it has the capability to copy roles that are up for denial? (Unless I'm misunderstanding something here). This is only a problem if the first lynch is vanilla. If thats the case, we simply have the med/jailkeeper protect the cpr/janitor overnight. copycat should not be a problem. Im off to work, should be back later tonight. | ||
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So picks 1-3 will be the following: 1. CPR 2. Janitor 3. rng of CPR/Janitor Everyone cool with this? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + The thing is Toad, is though Qatol was not the frist to bring up the ideas, He had more convicing arguments then we did, so people listend to him. Pretty simple. You still get points in my book for pushing protown plans. | ||
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risk.nuke = Janitor marvellosity = rng CPR/Janitor OK you three, you know what to do. Marvellosity, just in case its not obvious, dont tell us the results of the rng pick until after the picking phase is over. Thanks for taking one for the team @Snarfs: I dont think talking about what you want to pick/will pick. We want Mafia to be as unsure of picks as possable. If town starts informing their picks, it makes it easy for scum to snipe better roles. | ||
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On May 17 2012 05:35 Qatol wrote: Toad, it only makes sense to lynch him for playing anti-town if he is also the strongest candidate out there to be mafia/SK. Trust me, he isn't. Besides, we can adapt easily enough - just have [UoN]Sentinel take Janitor. He may or may not get it depending on what marvellosity takes. But at least we have insurance. It can be frustrating for something like this to happen, but this is the best we can do right now. I agree with this. risk.nuke's unwillingness to cooperate is unfortunate. His post so far have also been antagonistic and nonconstructive. These things are hindering a good town atmosphere, but it does not reveal alignment, for he could just be a headstrong townie cowboy. Luckily for us, his cooperation is not necessary in role denial. [UoN]Sentinel, would you be cool with grabbing Janitor? | ||
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Although that day vig shot was both awesome and hallarious, it should not be the focus of discussion. We are here to hunt scum. but I will put my 2cents in before moving on to that task. On May 17 2012 11:03 risk.nuke wrote: Lol this confirms Mattchew. Qatol you can't seriously believe anything else. No one is 100% confirmed until they flip. The fact that you dont acknowledge the possablity of a planed bus is neglect on your part. un-likely, yes, but not in the realm of impossable. Im putting Mattchew down as likely town in my notes though first thing first: marvellosity, what was the result of your rng? Qatol, I skimed your post on PacMan, Ill give it my opinon (along with my own reads) when I get back home tonight. | ||
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I dont want to lynch Sentinel today. @risk/marv : Its relatively certain that one of the two of you (along with Sentinel) is scum (Or 3 incredibly stupid townies, but I dont want to entertain that notion). Why you dont want to claim your roles at this point is stupid. Your role is not as important as you think. In fact, claiming your roles at this point would most likely net us a scum. so right now you essentially have a role that says "you can claim your role, and get a dt check that only checks for scum" not to mention that after lynching scum from your claims, you would be mostly confirmed town. add it all up, its dumb not to claim... Im gonna catch up on the thread, brb | ||
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On May 19 2012 03:31 risk.nuke wrote: I'll claim to save myself from getting mislynched. But I don't see that becoming neccersary. Going to be afk for 2 hours. sure. ##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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On May 19 2012 08:39 Palmar wrote: I'm going to send in a pardon for sentinel. So either we lynch risk.nuke or we lynch no one. I approve of this. | ||
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talismania switched from marvellosity to sent. In fact, he was the hammer, as without him, there would not have been a majority. Im gonna have to reiterate what palmar said; I did not think scum do something like what sent did. He shot himself in the foot for no reason... well, whatever. I think we should lynch PacMan next, | ||
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On May 20 2012 07:19 risk.nuke wrote: hiro, nice of you to resurface. what do you think of Qatol and Toad? Toads a null for me. I know he can talk alot as both town and scum. I did not like how he posted what roles he was trying to go for when I told him not to take the mason role. Qatol is ether town or the SK. Im like 95% he is not mafia. | ||
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On May 21 2012 02:22 risk.nuke wrote: We should still do the roleclaim and marv should tell us who is confirmed townie. We are down to 1 mafia. We need to sit down reveal our cards and use the information to root out the last scum. na, there is still an SK out there (and if marv is correct, a SK who ran for office) towns have lost the game from this very position. lets not be to hasty. | ||
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copycat, politician, framer, janitor, traitor We most likely have a rolecop(which is as good as a real DT at this point with the # of claims already) and BB. Between all the roleclaims already and A pretty small list to check, I dont see how they wont find one bad guy by day 3. Now how will roleclaiming find scum or sk at this point risk? They can claim VT all day long, and all we will do is give the SK/mafia something to shoot at. I dont see the advatage on towns side in role claiming. | ||
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Bring PacMan back from the dead so we can lynch him to death! | ||
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 This quote has had me thinking: On May 22 2012 02:33 chaoser wrote: Are people informed if they are saved (by witch or doctor)? People are informed if they were shot and protected by witch or doctor. I wasn't sure if they were informed or not but I asked an outside player and they told me they were so I recently just informed the person they were shot. Please get all actions into me, Night ends in 7 hours and 15 minutes. Someone was saved last night... but has not claimed? only the sk would do that as far as I can see... | ||
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His actions. He soft defends PacMan. Scolds you for not following the plan (just like decondo). His post dont contribute much, and in fact, try to blend in. Ill write up a full case come morning if need be, but people should go read his filter and draw there own conclusions. | ||
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On May 22 2012 06:39 marvellosity wrote: The irony is delicious hiro haha, yeah, open mouth, insert foot On May 22 2012 06:34 Zephirdd wrote: by the way, just logged in. I was saved. I'm the last KP missing I guess lol. thats good to hear. This makes things alot clearer. | ||
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I would love to say that BB should check zelblade, but he could be framer for all we know. so i think lynching/shooting him would be the best move atm. | ||
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First your point that I did not even consider voting for sent is valid. It did not cross my mind. I was sure that no scum would ever do that in that situation. Combine that with marvs mason claim and risks behavior up till that point, and I was pretty happy in lynching risk, even after his claim, which did not change my stance on alignment. I was wrong. I was cool with Palmar's threat to pardon. Ive played enough games with him to know that he was most likely bluffing in order to gather information(I have a town read on Palmar btw), or he really had a strong town read on sent and would not let him get lynched. And I trust a town Palmar on townie reads as well as my own. Your point about my activitly level dip shows that you have not played a game with me yet Ask anyone who has played games with me before, and they will tell you that I will disappear from time to time as BOTH aligments. Plain and simple; my activity level is a null tell.Now to segway int why we should kill zelblade and not me: On May 17 2012 20:28 zelblade wrote: ... Qatol's case on Paqman is interesting. To be honest - I think that paqman's reasonings for his posting are actually pretty decent. I can understand what he means by not being able to contribute much due to fact that plans were discussed during his absense - this is actually similar for me - I was in school for most of the draft phase, and by the time I got back there wasnt much to do other than give opinions on the plan. On May 20 2012 07:13 hiro protagonist wrote: I think we should lynch PacMan next, puting these quotes side by side. | ||
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Ill address Qatols questions: First, for my activity, I had left the thread sometime after the PacMan flip, and did not check in for a while. When you had made your post on me I was in the middle of re-reading the thread and going though filters. I had been doing that for a couple hours by that point, and was not even planing on responding right away, but then you asked risk to shoot me, and I thought this was some sort trap because at the time I thought Vigs only had 1 bullet, and I brought It up. Had you not brought up a case against me,(and especially one that would have me die in the night) I most likely would not have posted at all until the day post, when I would have brought out my full case on zelblade, because I did not have the time to construct it out today. Instead, I made an half ass case because I thought I might die, an I wanted people to look at zelblade if I did die. Second, The two quotes are indeed at different times, and putting them side by side is slightly more pathos than I intended. I can see why zelblade thinks Im misrepresenting him at this point. I put up my quote to aid in my defense. I posted zels because I wanted to go into discussion about not just that he soft defended him but HOW he did. Its not just one thing hes done, but a set of actions that collectively draw me to the conclusion that he is mafia. I plan on addressing this with my full right up on zelblade come morning. Third, ok, roleclaiming, its all the rage i guess. But sense i did not die last night, Ill hold for now. Im down for any organized claiming. just let me know when its my turn One last thing: I was roleblocked last night. see you in the morning | ||
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Im still building my case on zel, but I came in for the role claim plan:I have a role. In case anyone missed it, I was roleblocked. | ||
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I need to re-read things.Barundar needs to claim in order to clear things up. Im feeling good about calling Misder town seeing how he and PacMan chose the same numbers, and PacMan ended up VS. He might have tried for roleblocker. Last scum is one of zelblade, Zephirdd, or toad. likely to be SK are sandroba and Barundar. | ||
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##Vote: Barundar Looks like the SKs been caught. @sandroba, I thought about that but Ive come to the conclusion there is no reliable way for me (or any medic) to prove my role at this point due to the KP. It matters not, ether we lynch the SK today, whether its me or Barundar, or we roleblock and shoot tonight the sk after lynching the medic. So only the last scum remains by day 3 Im just heading of to work, Ill be back in the thread this afternoon. also, why would we have chose the exact same prods lol. | ||
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roleblock Baurnder and shoot him tonight. last scum is one of zel, zed, or toad. Im sorry I never followed through with a case on zel, but I became less sure of his scummyness. He still needs to be looked at. Zed needs to be grilled. If those 2 are not scum, toad should be considerd. I cant argue that Baurnders claim from a scum/sk perspective would be stupid, and thus, It makes no sense to do that as scum/sk. Logicly, it makes sense to lynch me first, but its not the first time scum did something bad this game so, oh well. Should Baurnder flip scum for some reason, Sandro should be looked at for sk. Im like 99.9% sure Qatol is town, but if he is still alive with 5 people left, he could be playing the SK game of a lifetime, altough very unlikely.. GL HF | ||
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To bad for him, Im both town and the Doctor | ||
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It makes sense for a SK Barunder to counter claim IF he thinks I am scum and lieing. IF that where true, then he would have A MUCH GREATER CHANCE AT WINNING. | ||
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@Snarfs, whoops, sorry I missed it | ||
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On May 24 2012 07:55 Toadesstern wrote: he asked for scum. What you listed was zel, zeph and myself who all are a more or less reasonable guess for SK due to the politician claim and us being higher on the draft than the politician guy or being the politician guy ourselfes. So that's SK reads, not mafia reads. Those are my scum reads. Barunder is 95% the SK. That only leaves scum and those reads come from reading the thread. Both zel and zep soft defended PacMan. zeps main argument for town is his reaction to the day vig shot. other than that, he mostly has just asked lots of questions. His claim that he was hit and no counter claim has my head scraching although... | ||
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On May 24 2012 12:13 chaoser wrote: GAHHH, which picture should I use lol Guess which series the picture is from and get a prize Zombie loan? also,  | ||
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