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Just for your information, im not a native english speaker, so if im not clear when i post let me know. I do think lynching lurkers is a "good" strategy just not on day 1, i think we should wait so everyone can post and "talk" a little bit. On May 10 2012 08:36 FirmTofu wrote: Hi again dahdum! I hope you aren't mafia again >< lol, this is "suspicious" to me | ||
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2.- Anacletus, remember mafia can always kill some of their members to appear innocent, but yeah, maybe not on day 1. Also, i dont like your first post being a direct vote  | ||
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Seeing as voting is obligatory and i dont know if i can login to post again, im gonna vote for myself just in case. But i will try to check before time ends. But first my 2 cents, when i see someone posting a LONG "analysis" on day 1 basing his opinions in a couple post, the first thing that comes to my mind is "he's trying too hard", maybe too appear as town leader and stuff, im not necessarily pointing fingers, ShiaoPi post is kinda helpful so far. But im gonna keep an eye on you and a couple more "in-depth analysts" I loled at Anacletus "I'm not mafia TT", lol, thats so fishy, reverse psychology maybe? You still are my top 1 tho, but i dont like the random bandwagon, i feel we are being guided to you. Mufaa finally posted, im gonna try to check for his opinion, i think thats all of us? Seeing as i have no more information about any of you besides the couple posts...Day 2 is gonna be another historie tho ##Vote Unforgiven_ve i repeat, i will try to change my vote before the time ends, and seeing abstaining is not allowed. | ||
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On May 11 2012 08:04 Radfield wrote: Voting ends in 24 hours, at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) . oh, my bad, i thought we just had 12 hours left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You give me way too much credit, Unforgiven_ve. I was only bandwagoning to see who wasn't voting and who was. My plan so far is more of a cluster-fuck spider-web of ideas written in a language that I don't know. Please, explain to me So, lets wait a little more ##Unvote | ||
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I have a couple reads taking some shape. My four main suspects so far are, Anacletus(for obvious reasons), Mufaa (being very passive, maybe i dont belive his works excuses), Shaopi (super active at first, then just defending his BIG list and a couple post naming Broodking) and Jailbraker (2 post, whitout much information, I'm going to withhold my vote until later when everyone has a chance to post everybody already posted and im still waiting, and posting this now, going to formulate a new post based on BroodKingEXE, ShiaoPi, Hyaach (page 7 to 8) Im gonna wait a couple more hours to cast my vote, i want to see if everyone goes active and chatty and the end of the day | ||
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I have made up my mind after readin all posts and seeing RKE lacks of defense after the high pressure...also, this is golden Mufaa, it just raised my "interest" on you. + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 06:18 Mufaa wrote: Like I've been saying since my first post, I think Ana is bad town more than mafia. Every scummy thing he has done has been so scummy that if he was Mafia his partners would be berating him so bad he probably would have stopped posting instead of digging himself into this giant hole he's made. .... and i agree 100% on your jailbraker FOS as i stated hours before, pointing a friend maybe?... but i think we should wait a little more. ##Vote BroodKingEXE | ||
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lol, I havent "switched", you scum! 'cause i never voted for anyone Also, i read something very fishy, but i will wait to Day2 to say it, it depends on BKE lynch (if it stays that way ofc) | ||
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On May 12 2012 05:35 austinmcc wrote: ... As I count it, but don't take it as gospel. If you are thinking of swapping, and Hyaach was suspicious this morning and waiting to see Brood's response, that could potentially take us to 5/4, with 4 undecideds. We NEED active town to do anything though, otherwise we're already locked in. Mafia's got 3 votes to throw around, we might have a no-vote or two, so we just need clear decisions and stances. I keep reading and reading and dont see anywhere how to get that information about "3 mafias" why are you so sure? Maybe it could be 4? 2 is too few and 5 too much, you wrote that whit so much security(sp?) and you started the wagon against BKW... tell me, why are you so sure about being 3 mafias? | ||
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On May 12 2012 10:22 Crossfire99 wrote: It is 3 mafia (actually it can be as little as 2 mafia) because the of the description of the setup is found here. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++ Basically, it looks like a 5/8 chance for 3 mafia and 3/8 chance for 2 mafia. well, still i see he has no doubt about being 3 mafias, maybe he slipped some information there? | ||
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The player whit the better read. We should wait and don't make any deep analysis, what do you think? | ||
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You can see im not the only one suspecting of Mufaa, im just not buying that kind of "clean play", no time to play, a couple of long depth analysis post, go back to lurk and come whit another "great" analysis. The thing about austin was, i didnt saw anywhere where you can get the scum quantity, seeing the description of the game you can see we can get from 2 to 4 (Roles), i just pointed that out, and asked him why, it seemed weird to me he just said there were 3 mafias so casually. 3rd. If you see my filter, you can find that i really think Anacletus was a REALLY BAD town player, of course i had my suspicions on him, but that wasnt enough, whit austin post, things seemed to make a little more sense, and as you said, when i came to post i see this new case and had to make a "pretty fast" choice, seeing as my evidence/suspicions on other players are still not enough. Now, is this post just to prove me and divert my first suspicions on you? Why you stoped talking and using your BIG list? Now that you have more information i would like to see a Refresh in you list please. | ||
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On May 11 2012 08:02 Unforgiven_ve wrote: 12:00 hours to go. Seeing as voting is obligatory and i dont know if i can login to post again, im gonna vote for myself just in case. But i will try to check before time ends. But first my 2 cents, when i see someone posting a LONG "analysis" on day 1 basing his opinions in a couple post, the first thing that comes to my mind is "he's trying too hard", maybe too appear as town leader and stuff, im not necessarily pointing fingers, ShiaoPi post is kinda helpful so far. But im gonna keep an eye on you and a couple more "in-depth analysts" I loled at Anacletus "I'm not mafia TT", lol, thats so fishy, reverse psychology maybe? You still are my top 1 tho, but i dont like the random bandwagon, i feel we are being guided to you. Mufaa finally posted, im gonna try to check for his opinion, i think thats all of us? Seeing as i have no more information about any of you besides the couple posts...Day 2 is gonna be another historie tho ##Vote Unforgiven_ve i repeat, i will try to change my vote before the time ends, and seeing abstaining is not allowed. Shaopi, read this part of my post, thats what i meant, its difficult to me to belive in a list whit such litter information. austin, i clicked you link but it says i need permission to see it. | ||
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suspicious of mufaa, jailbreaker, crossfire because at the time they hadn't really posted suspicious of anacletus because of his play suspicious of shaopi because at the time he posted a big list of names with his opinions but nothing really happened yet so there wasn't much to base that on | ||
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i did read some of the post and i have a couple htings to point out, but im so tired, its 1:50am and i just got home. i will be posting tomorrow. | ||
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im really sorry guys but i was out of my house today and could not get online, i was rushing to home and made that vote on myself to avoid getting modkilled, and this weekend was jus crazy. Now, i just read some FoS on me, since i saw Shaopi's death i was thinking i was gonna be lynched today, im sure mafia was expecting my lynching to get more room of play, it wasnt that way but sadly another townie was lynched, i see some of you are saying you have "weak reads" on me, thats because i have not much to add besides my "reads", wich you can read on my filter, its pretty basic, yes Tofu, im very indecisive for the exact same reasons, that now, 2 townies are dead. Lists, "deep analysis" whit not much to base on (¿?), suddenly going super agressive on a player. My suspicions on Anacletus RAISED big time, but he's not my main read tho. In case i get killed (but i doubt it after this) my FoS goes to austincc. I feel he is actually playing whit the town's "mind", he (both times) just goes super agressive on someone and gets lynched right away, he's using his good redaction skills to throw analysis at the end of both days. I will quote nothing, im gonna stick whit this, its pretty obvious for me now. About anacletus im beliving now he's just a bad player who got lucky two times. Watch his filter and see the big difference on his posting now. ##FoS austincc and Anacletus | ||
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My top 3: austincc Anacletus Dahdum/Mufaa/Hyaach maybe bio/crossfire ... lol, thats all of us but me i guess | ||
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does that bother you austin? im not taking any chances now ##Vote austinmcc | ||
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now, anacletus. this is just getting ridiculous...even if you are a town, you are playing for the mafia team. Im convinced you are mafia, but still, theres someone over you on my list, i stand by my vote. Austin: + Show Spoiler + I have a couple reads taking some shape. My four main suspects so far are, Anacletus(for obvious reasons), Mufaa (being very passive, maybe i dont belive his works excuses), Shaopi (super active at first, then just defending his BIG list and a couple post naming Broodking) and Jailbraker (2 post, whitout much information, you MISSED to quote THIS POST You can see im not the only one suspecting of Mufaa, im just not buying that kind of "clean play", no time to play, a couple of long depth analysis post, go back to lurk and come whit another "great" analysis. Till D2 i just fell I HAD no real reasons to start a case against someone. I gave my reason of why voting for myself at first on D1, i just had no read on anyone besides Anacletus, and i fell for your analysis about BKE. D2 is another thing, real life just happened. and i gave you my top 2 suspects, im just indecisive over my 3rd vote! My top 3: + Show Spoiler + austincc Anacletus Dahdum/Mufaa/Hyaach maybe bio/crossfire | ||
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i know everyone "wants" to be the town leader or just enhance his investigation skill, but come one, we cant get the ball rolling just posting a couple lines and attacking someone at the end of the day. So, Austin, are you a townie? tell me who is your top one read. also, Dont start whit the big letters please, i see that as a sign of desperation. | ||
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Hyaach: you can see on Mufaa's filter that he did not attacked me because i was the first telling i was suspicions on him. I belive he did this because he didnt wanted to attrack more attention to him form the people who had a FoS on him. I think this is a normal play by a mafia. Besides this one argument i would like to know another reasons to suspect me (like austin strangely said, maybe to start some new bandwagon?) | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:22 austinmcc wrote: The ONLY reason I'm not entirely sold on Hyaach is his no-vote. When we already saw Jailbreaker get modkilled, a no-vote from a scummy player feels like way too large of a risk to take. I think OP demostrated he wasnt going to kill anyone directly at the end of the day, he gave 1 warning, so i think he was feeling safe. | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:51 austinmcc wrote: I don't like those as "fluff" though. He's not really filling a filter to make himself look active, there's no intent on his part to do anything other than be modkilled. Gah. Also, i SWORE there was some post from him about his location saying Singapore but him being in ... Germany? Did I entirely make that up? Anyone remember that from any player? it was Shaopi | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:02 BioSC wrote: The reason we are calling you out is because of your post count/content. Lately it seems like there are 3 people who pop on to post their required 1 vote a day then log off and not contribute. Can you see how that would come across as suspicious? Also, I would like to know what prompted this from you + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 03:11 Unforgiven_ve wrote: i knew it!!! i was right since the beggining of the game. does that bother you austin? im not taking any chances now ##Vote austinmcc When you didn't have him on your list at the beginning of the game. Here is your first list of scumreads: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 00:21 Unforgiven_ve wrote: I have a couple reads taking some shape. My four main suspects so far are, Anacletus(for obvious reasons), Mufaa (being very passive, maybe i dont belive his works excuses), Shaopi (super active at first, then just defending his BIG list and a couple post naming Broodking) and Jailbraker (2 post, whitout much information, everybody already posted and im still waiting, and and being under the radar in general) Im gonna wait a couple more hours to cast my vote, i want to see if everyone goes active and chatty and the end of the day What are you trying to say here? Why is there a blatant contradiction? Why, when looking through your filter, you seem to post that you suspect everyone in the game, but not offer any real information up? You said it? AT THE BEGGINING of the game, please, dont quote if you are not gonna read all the filter and take it out of context, i clearly said: My suspicions on Anacletus RAISED big time, but he's not my main read tho. In case i get killed (but i doubt it after this) my FoS goes to austincc. I feel he is actually playing whit the town's "mind", he (both times) just goes super agressive on someone and gets lynched right away, he's using his good redaction skills to throw analysis at the end of both days. I will quote nothing, im gonna stick whit this, its pretty obvious for me now. About anacletus im beliving now he's just a bad player who got lucky two times. Watch his filter and see the big difference on his posting now. ##FoS austincc and Anacletus 2.) + Show Spoiler + Why, when looking through your filter, you seem to post that you suspect everyone in the game, but not offer any real information up? My response, something i have alrewady posted too. : you dont see me posting LONG DEPTH ANALYSIS because we havent had much to work on, besides lame reads based of a couple posts, i want to base my suspicions on actions, how people behave and voting patterns. (i confess, i thought this game were the kind in wich you get subtle clues and histories for night actions.) ALL of us just hadn't much information, just now we have a few things to base our cases, as i just said, i was (hardly) writign a big post and the fxxing power went out. | ||
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Not Voting: Darkfirex5, FirmTofu, BioSC uh? | ||
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On May 15 2012 08:07 Darkfirex5 wrote: well guys gl hf i died (sadface) geting hanged is not a fun way to go D: wtf? | ||
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1.- May 12 My four main suspects so far are, Anacletus(for obvious reasons), Mufaa (being very passive, maybe i dont belive his works excuses)... 2.- May 13 You can see im not the only one suspecting of Mufaa, im just not buying that kind of "clean play", no time to play, a couple of long depth analysis post, go back to lurk and come whit another "great" analysis. 3.- May 13 (again) My list in case i die. suspicious of mufaa, jailbreaker, crossfire because at the time they hadn't really posted 4.- May 15 My top 3: austincc Anacletus Dahdum/Mufaa/Hyaach maybe bio/crossfire Before that i said i need to read more camly all the post to get a 3rd suspect. I just didn't found something good to really focus on a 3rd person. | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:28 BioSC wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2012 06:14 Unforgiven_ve wrote: 1.) + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2012 06:02 BioSC wrote: The reason we are calling you out is because of your post count/content. Lately it seems like there are 3 people who pop on to post their required 1 vote a day then log off and not contribute. Can you see how that would come across as suspicious? Also, I would like to know what prompted this from you + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 03:11 Unforgiven_ve wrote: i knew it!!! i was right since the beggining of the game. does that bother you austin? im not taking any chances now ##Vote austinmcc When you didn't have him on your list at the beginning of the game. Here is your first list of scumreads: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 00:21 Unforgiven_ve wrote: I have a couple reads taking some shape. My four main suspects so far are, Anacletus(for obvious reasons), Mufaa (being very passive, maybe i dont belive his works excuses), Shaopi (super active at first, then just defending his BIG list and a couple post naming Broodking) and Jailbraker (2 post, whitout much information, everybody already posted and im still waiting, and and being under the radar in general) Im gonna wait a couple more hours to cast my vote, i want to see if everyone goes active and chatty and the end of the day What are you trying to say here? Why is there a blatant contradiction? Why, when looking through your filter, you seem to post that you suspect everyone in the game, but not offer any real information up? You said it? AT THE BEGGINING of the game, please, dont quote if you are not gonna read all the filter and take it out of context, i clearly said: 2.) + Show Spoiler + Why, when looking through your filter, you seem to post that you suspect everyone in the game, but not offer any real information up? My response, something i have alrewady posted too. : ALL of us just hadn't much information, just now we have a few things to base our cases, as i just said, i was (hardly) writign a big post and the fxxing power went out. Unforgiven's post. I'm taking nothing out of context. I'm reading what YOU said, which is that: Now, I looked through your filter, trust me. I found both of those posts. The post YOU linked/quoted: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=21#406 I found that on page 21 of the thread. Want to know where I found the quote I did? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=10#199 Page 10. You tell me what post would be closer to "The beginning of the game" My question still stands. What are you trying to say with that quote, and WHY is there a contradiction? To your second half of your post: We need reads from you. You've offered next to nothing. Making reads and sharing them with town is how the town figures out who is/isn't scum. Care to make a read on someone? Why is Austin your #1, when "At the beginning of the game" you didn't suspect him, contradicting your claim to the post you made earlier in the day? uh? i dont think im really understanding what you are saying. I'll try and make it clear... at first i haven't suspected austin because (as i have said a LOT of times) we hadn't much to work on. After 2 days and seeing the result of austin "Leader role" i grow suspicious of him since page 10-11/whatever? Thats the idea if the game right? try to READ people, not sticking whit your first and sole list as you can read at page 21 I feel he is actually playing whit the town's "mind", he (both times) just goes super agressive on someone and gets lynched right away, he's using his good redaction skills to throw analysis at the end of both days. I will quote nothing, im gonna stick whit this, its pretty obvious for me now. About anacletus im beliving now he's just a bad player who got lucky two times. Watch his filter and see the big difference on his posting now. ##FoS austincc and Anacletus | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:36 austinmcc wrote: I'm content dropping that post and this back and forth because I don't think it really gets us any useful information. So instead, are you still fully happy with voting me? Regardless of whether you are or aren't, are there other targets you'd be willing to vote for? The thing about people lurking is REALLY bothering me, mafias are the only oenss benefiting from this. Hyaach is one, what if we vote for him and he turns townie? it just adds a 3 dead bodie to your list? | ||
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On May 17 2012 03:11 Unforgiven_ve wrote: i knew it!!! i was right since the beggining of the game. does that bother you austin? im not taking any chances now ##Vote austinmcc i meant about the GOLDEN night kill from our vigilante, i just got exited i guess lol | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:36 austinmcc wrote: I'm content dropping that post and this back and forth because I don't think it really gets us any useful information. So instead, are you still fully happy with voting me? Regardless of whether you are or aren't, are there other targets you'd be willing to vote for? Thats the thing whit you guys, you cant spot scum whit one sole line, you should look to the whole style of play. Of course you dont have reads on me, im just a townie trying to survive and giving some input when i can, when i feel something is scummy i say it. Thats why "My first list" was just a sketch-up. You can keep pushing your first thought if you something else is wrong/looks scummier | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:44 BioSC wrote: Yes. I wanted to know why you instantly went to austin, when it was heavily implied that you suspected him from the start of the game, which as I pointed out wasn't true. My bad then. about the "does that bother you austin?" part i was refering to getting one of his partners killed. | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:43 BioSC wrote: Ok, lets try something else. Who is your #2? Who do you think is Austin's scumbuddy? On May 17 2012 13:54 Unforgiven_ve wrote: ... and i gave you my top 2 suspects, im just indecisive over my 3rd vote! My top 3: + Show Spoiler + austincc Anacletus Dahdum/Mufaa/Hyaach maybe bio/crossfire Anacletus play is just ridiculous. | ||
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That's the thing, if any of us dies, its GG. Mafia vs Lurkers. I see you/bio are the ones really pushing people. pd: this just came to my mind, what if you to are the 2 mafia? Classic ending day swap? pd2: i just have 10 more minutes, then i have to go out and do some stuff. Make me change my mind, we still have a chance, why is there no possibility of you and bio are mafia? | ||
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On May 18 2012 07:04 austinmcc wrote: Oh, there's a possibility Bio is mafia  Some confirmed townies had their suspicions on him. He DID play very defensively early on. Either it's mindgames right now that he's looking elsewhere and contributing, or he actually realized that he was boned if he didn't extend his reads further and start considering other possibilities. Or something else, lol.As to me . . . you say I've been playing with a townie's mind. Maybe I've been carrying that persona since D1. But you should look at two things. (1) My original cases on Brood and on darkfire. I'm not sheeping anyone else at those points, those were legitimate reads that I had. Especially the Brood case, as he wasn't even really being considered until I brought him up. (2) The end of D2/start of N2. Read my posts. I'm legitimately furious that for all the discussion we had, folks (including you) are coming in at the last second and voting yourselves and not contributing. Mafia doesn't want discussion. Sure, if i'm mafia playing with a town's mind then maybe I still make those posts, but I felt I was pretty clear that I was legitimately upset by how the end of D2 played out, and not just faking it. i meant you are playing whit people's mind, as you are doing whit me right now -_-. I want to prove I'm town, and if it means I have to admit I might be wrong about Anacletus, then so be it. Anacletus is wrong about himself. i will fall for your both arguments, lurkers did fuck us, and i stated the first day, we shouldnt care about them the first day, but the few people alive the more contributions we need. Sadly i got to go. I want you to know i declined a sex session whit my gf just to have a couple hours to burn at this game lol. ##Unvote ##Vote Hyaach | ||
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This is just great another blue, Tofu, please, how in hell can you make effing post at the end Of the day and say “don't vote for him to prove your are towniw” WTF?? Say your danm reasons Don't come here after a decision has beend made and ramdonly say vote for another Player. We are sti waiting for your ZOMG SUPER HARDCORE SO INGSITHFUL POST . Give Your danm reasons now! Also, Tofu, its the 3rd day now, and you still have scheldue issues? I understand on day 1, but Day 3?? You should have had that figured out already, I saw the voting period closed at 8pm TL time, I cheked my watch And VOILA ITS 6:30PM FOR ME, its not that hard. I'm really frustrated right now, anothe blue is dead and he may have had more bullets on him, I doubt There is another vigilante out there. Medic, make a wise choice please! So, austin and bio, my fears just became bigger, I belived tofu was a townie, I need to see his some reasons now, maybe it was a lucky guess. I know this is ”newbie” mafia, but come on, we can't win this way, I thought it was not possible This became more lame since anacletus, but I have been proved wrong | ||
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On May 19 2012 08:12 BioSC wrote: Of course, I can blame lurking all I want. Mafia didn't even have to do anything. Town basically killed itself. this is true, but we lurked not because we wanted, it was really real life fucking it up. Day 3 lynch i really declined some action just to play lol. My roleblock to Hyaach for 2 days was just gosu skill ;D GG everyone | ||
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Hyaach Shoots Dahdum Mafia Shoot Dahdum FirmTofu Shoots Mufaa i never thought it could be 2 vigilantes in the game :S | ||
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Also, same question cross did. any advice for me? besides the obvious redacting problem. it takes 25 minutes to make a paragraph post for me hehe | ||
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