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On May 12 2012 01:13 Hyaach wrote:
There is basically 8 hours left in this day. We are hard pressed against time.
On the BKE suspicions. I actually felt that it is a valid direction. If you filter his post, he does post often but its all fluff.
There is never anything constructive to the town from him. You could argue that he pressuring everyone and asking of explanation is town play but it could also be mafia trying to fish out blue roles
What say you BKE.
On Anacletus
While i hope it is your bad play. You could be the godfather and choose to appear innocent to all investigation.
Anacletus, in your opinion who do you think is scum right now?
I actually don't agree with you guys in your suspicions of BioSC being mafia. I also think that Dahdum and Mufaa are also citizens as well.
My best guess as to who is mafia would be BKE I guess, but I'm not too certain which is why I haven't really raised my voice in this instance.
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On May 12 2012 05:08 austinmcc wrote:
I'm all for further discussion, just interpreted that as wanting to lay out a concrete plan, which worried me.
I don't have anything more to add to the case, other than Brood's response posts didn't do anything for me. He's yet to really post a defense. He sort of called me out as scummy, but didn't push that at all.
However, I think the overall behavior today supports a lynch of Brood over Anac. Think about these possible scenarios:
Anac is mafia, Brood is town. Someone jumps in with a case against another player. It makes sense, has some analysis there. If you're mafia, don't you jump on that? Don't you try as hard as you can to swing the vote towards Brood over Anac, pushing for a wagon as hard as you can? Why, if Anac is mafia and Brood isn't, would we not see more people coming in, sheeping my posts, pushing Brood hard? (Yeah, I'm pushing Brood. No, I'm not mafia. Just defending and pushing my own case and read, rather than jumping on an already-present wagon).
Anac is town, Brood is mafia. You've got anac swinging, you've all but ensured a mislynch D1, you're sitting pretty as mafia. Then a case comes out on Brood. Wtf. Not good. Bury it, don't respond to it, stifle discussion, keep your sights on Anac. Until there's a critical amount of pressure, you don't have to do anything. But above all, you wait and you see what happens, and you start planning your responds.
Both are mafia. Well, you're just probably boned. If town's two strongest reads are 2/3 your team, enjoy the loss. No way can you present a third candidate in time and hope for a mislynch.
Both are town. Who cares? No way is town lynching mafia, you can sit back and relax.
The response so far basically fits into almost any of those categories. No big pushing response. The ONE category that the response doesn't fit is Anac scum and Brood town. If that were the case, mafia should be trying so hard to start a wagon rolling. But they're not. So to me, the case AND the response fit Brood being scum (not counting the scenario where both are town and a mislynch is guaranteed). Just consider that. How would you expect the scumteam to play this, and has that actually happened? They're not giving us a lot to work with here, waiting things out and not slipping up within the last few hours. But is that lack of content a tell in and of itself?
If that makes sense, and recent action just doesn't support a scenario where Anac is scum and Brood is town, then we should take out Brood. We can deal with Anac later if he IS scum, because he's got no chance to be really disruptive after his start.
Incredibly insightful, sir. Upon this note and that I am still being voted for I'd like to re-assert that I am NOT mafia.
##Unvote
##Vote BroodKingEXE
What is the FOS ##name thing about? I've tried to find an answer, and I've either overlooked FOS somewhere or it stands for something I don't know
I'd just like to reassert that since I have a majority of votes on me - either the mafia is voting with you guys making it seem like a majority of town is voting, or they aren't in which case you might want to look at who else is being voted for. My opinion as of right now is that mafia is voting unanimously, so everyone should take a moment and note what the vote counts are for future use. In the case I get hung please assume that they voted unanimously and go from there as you'll see I am a townie upon my death.
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On May 12 2012 05:23 dahdum wrote:
I'm backing off of anac at this point, he's still suspicious but I'm thinking reckless/bad town vs bad mafia. Too many people are after him first day, some have to be mafia, and his defense should have been better if he's getting help in a QT (as austinmcc mentioned).
Will support a lynch of BioSC or BKE, do we have a current vote count?
What is QT?
I think I still have 6-7 votes on me with 3-4 on BKE and 2-3 undecided - I could be wrong, but I'm trying to account for the swing votes in association with the last official vote count.
This vote count ISN'T official - just trying to give you a rough estimate so you don't have to spend extra time looking back.
Yes - I agree 100% that I'm just getting bandwagoned by mafia at this point. Receiving 8 votes off day 1 is just ridiculous and as stated before I think that they are voting unanimously at this point.
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On May 12 2012 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
FoS = Finger of suspicion. It's not a vote, but it's just a public "I'm watching you."
QT = quick topic? Whatever it is. It's a separate forum that the scum team has access to. They can post in there, plan their actions, discuss how to respond to town. If you check some old games, usually the host will post the scum QT and an observer QT so everyone can read over what scum was thinking during the game and what anyone observing was thinking.
Thanks for the informative response!
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On May 12 2012 05:57 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Anac. The first one does make sense. I could be town and the Mafia could be letting you push me, because they know I am town. They don't even need to take ownership for their vote and could keep their vote on Analect. People who vote for me can be on either side. Bussing or wagoning are options for mafia. What about my response doesn't convince you?
I'll be real with you man, I don't actually have *that* much of an inclination to believing that you are mafia. It's just that it feels like it's either you or me, so I'm trying to save my own neck.
I am not without doubt of you - I just don't think that there's enough information for me to think it's worthy to hang you, but again, if it comes down to me or you, it's you... :/
I do think that others feel like you're mafia though, so that's why my vote is where it is.
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What does EBWOP mean?
Well, I think it's weird that the #1 reason to not kill me is because I'm entirely useless to both sides, made me giggle.
Also - I'd like to just point out that many people recently have just switched votes, aka Unforgiven, ShiaoPi and Firm. Maybe it's a coincidence? Maybe not.
I'm just really concerned with the way that those guys are swing-voting and bandwagoning so hard.
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Shit sorry, I used green last time and confused the two - my mistake!!!
Can a mod please edit the blue out please, sorry :/
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On May 12 2012 07:37 Unforgiven_ve wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 07:29 Anacletus wrote:
What does EBWOP mean?
Well, I think it's weird that the #1 reason to not kill me is because I'm entirely useless to both sides, made me giggle.
Also - I'd like to just point out that many people recently have just switched votes, aka Unforgiven, ShiaoPi and Firm. Maybe it's a coincidence? Maybe not.
I'm just really concerned with the way that those guys are swing-voting and bandwagoning so hard. lol, I havent "switched", you scum! 'cause i never voted for anyone Also, i read something very fishy, but i will wait to Day2 to say it, it depends on BKE lynch (if it stays that way ofc)
I didn't mean switched - just swing-voting in the sense that you guys all seem to have come to a similar conclusion within a short period of time for a deciding vote in the game.
I'm really not comfortable with voting BKE :/
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On May 12 2012 07:39 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 07:29 Anacletus wrote:
Also - I'd like to just point out that many people recently have just switched votes, aka Unforgiven, ShiaoPi and Firm. Maybe it's a coincidence? Maybe not.
I'm just really concerned with the way that those guys are swing-voting and bandwagoning so hard. If you believe me to be bandwagoning go reread my filter, I actually give a lot of reasons why I waited this long to vote and I was among the first to support austinmcc's case. If that is bandwagoning to you, I would tend even stronger to the idea that you are just a "bad" townie.
This may be the case - my words weren't pruned and tendered to be completely accurate - I just noticed a huge influx of people voting for BKE which leads me to the same conclusion and defense of myself. I just don't like it when people all vote for one person in a short period of time - it really just makes me feel like the voting is riddled with mafia votes.
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Damn it 
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So - before anyone brings this up I want to address something.
It may appear that I look guilty because I kept insisting that I didn't think BKE was mafia despite voting for him - this wasn't to keep the bandwagon going as I would have voted for anyone to keep me alive. It really should raise suspicion that I would say "no he's innocent" when mafia would know he is innocent yet still vote to keep a clean record. I just thought I'd bring this up before anyone else does.
My personal opinion is that mafia WAS part of the vote for BKE and that we should look carefully at those who did vote. That's my opinion as of right now.
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Damn, what a mafia power play - taking two power roles and a townie 
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On May 13 2012 12:30 Darkfirex5 wrote:
well now we have a lot to work with at least, i guess ShiaoPi was onto something, time to avenge him :D
I actually think that it may have been a mafia tactic to off someone who was NOT on the right track to make us think exactly what you are saying.
Maybe you're mafia trying to start this trend?
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Okay - so just to finalize my defense I'll be referencing this document austinmcc was awesome enough to post: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnX9O6cujxVmdFlvZkdqR1g0Qlh3d2dSaENrdW9DblE#gid=0
Noticing the initial votes there are 5 people who didn't vote for me: austinmcc, Mufaa, Jailbreaker, Crossfire99, and Unforgiven_ve.
austinmcc: I find his posts extremely town-oriented and the fact the he voted BKE and stuck with it through without bandwagoning seems very credible and I doubt that mafia would be so aggressive in posting, so I find him clean.
Mufaa: I don't like how very early on his posts contained no assertions of mafia. I felt like he was just trying to stay clean and not put any pressure on himself until the very end of the day in which he voted for BKE. I also find his defense of me very fishy in that "Ana is probably just town" sort of thing.
Jailbreaker: Dead/town
Crossfire99: I don't find him suspicious for voting for me and sticking with his vote.
Unforgiven_ve: I am not going to make a judgement at this time on his posting, although he raises my suspicions as well.
My reasoning for bringing up the initial votes is because well - I know that: ShaioPi, Jailbreaker, BKE, and myself aren't mafia. That leaves 9 people left - with 4 being mafia. My synopsis of what happened day 1 was that the mafia began reasoning that I was of no use to the town so they abandoned my band wagon to try and hang someone more useful to the town. So my suspicions are of those who switched votes from me to BKE.
My biggest suspicions lie with BioSC and FirmTofu - I truly believe them to be mafia and would like for one of them to get hung today, and here is my reasoning why:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=10#190
This post by Tofu not only distracts from any points made against BioSC but further asserts cases made against me and darkfire - and again my logic being that I know that I am not mafia so I can assume that the claims made against myself are baseless as his only points seem to be based off of what darkfire is saying.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=10#183
BioSC also makes excruciatingly similar posts to Tofu - it's almost as if they are working together!
And my biggest reasoning to vote for them is because of how they both switched from my band wagon vote to vote for BKE after several times trying to seal a vote for me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=17#326
My opinions on fluff posts using "we" in town situations are also pretty revealing with one's alignment.
##Vote BioSC
Here's my vote - I strongly urge you guys to vote with me on this as I truly believe my synopsis to be accurate.
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On May 14 2012 10:54 BioSC wrote:
EBWOP: Ana: Please use the spoiler function if you are going to quote posts please. It makes the post much easier to read...
I was linking to the exact quote instead of just quoting it in my post to try and make it easier to read and make it not so huge of a post. But spoilering quotes does sound great as well - I will make sure to do that next time, thanks for your input on this.
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On May 14 2012 10:51 BioSC wrote:
@Analectus: Who did you get to write this for you? Seriously, this is night and day better than your first day posts. I would be proud of you, but for someone who's neck just came off the chopping block for crappy posts, this sure is an oddity, especially against me. I've given my reasons for shifting my vote, look through my filter for it. If your reason to vote for me is simply for NOT voting for you, then you need to look a bit deeper.
This is very cute.
On May 14 2012 10:51 BioSC wrote:
Unvorgiven_ve: Where the hell have you been, and why is it that the person the mafia hit has you #1 on their list?
This is exactly what I am talking about man. You're playing exactly like mafia would. Of course the mafia wouldn't kill someone who was suspecting mafia - they would lynch someone who was pointing fingers at another townie and then after the killing they would bring up "Oh, this person_X thought Person_Y was mafia and Person_X was killed, that must mean Person_Y is mafia too and was killed for the suspicions!"
I'm even more deeply convinced that you are mafia now.
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On May 14 2012 12:06 BioSC wrote:For someone who claims to be town, you sure do know exactly how the mafia are thinking. + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2012 11:16 Anacletus wrote:
This is exactly what I am talking about man. You're playing exactly like mafia would. Of course the mafia wouldn't kill someone who was suspecting mafia - they would lynch someone who was pointing fingers at another townie and then after the killing they would bring up "Oh, this person_X thought Person_Y was mafia and Person_X was killed, that must mean Person_Y is mafia too and was killed for the suspicions!"
I'm even more deeply convinced that you are mafia now.
There are many types of mafia play style. Your theory is based on assumptions, a pretty horrible reason to lynch someone. I can just as easily assume that the scum are killing off people that ARE on the right track, and keeping people like me, aka people who are not yet on the right track and have been brought up multiple times, alive. Honestly, the people that keep bringing me up are 3. Dahdum, Darkfire, and YOU. All of you have brought up asinine things in my posting, typing errors, assumptions based on how they believe scum to be playing, ect. I've addressed them all. You got away with bad play day 1, and now you are trying to accuse me of being scum simply because I voted for Brood. Hint: YOU voted for brood. And if I were to ASSUME you are town, why the hell would you bring up someone who switched from you (a town according to you) to someone we believed was acting scummy?I've bolded my question to you. ##Vote Anacletus
I haven't brought up typing errors in your postings or any asinine things.
I am not voting for you solely because you voted for BKE. I am voting for you because of how you acted so confident in voting for me yet were okay with swing voting so late. I associate voting late with being mafia so you can change votes without being noticed.
I voted for BKE because I felt pressured to vote for someone else to save my life - as mentioned SEVERAL times before I didn't think he was mafia.
You haven't even addressed how you've tried to tie me to darkfire so hard yet at the same time have had posts paralleling FirmTofu.
And of COURSE I bring up the fact that you're trying to denote hanging correlations with who the hanged thought was guilty, it's pretty standard mafia play. I'm convinced that you're mafia and you're voting for me because I think you're mafia? Cute reasoning, my vote isn't a counter to you voting for me on day 1, this is me being convinced that you are mafia.
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You're not even refuting or countering any of my points with validations for your actions anymore:
Again, I've stated my reason for switching votes. Since you can't be bothered looking it up, here it is:
I've stated several times that I am not voting for you solely based on your reasoning for changing votes.
Make a case against someone who is playing scummy, like we told you about 5 times.
You're pretty condescending for someone who doesn't address any of the points I've made against them, but instead creates round-about posts that pretty aggressive.
I haven't tied you to anyone.
You've tried to tie me to darkfire several times.
Something YOU have failed to do so far in your case against me.
We can't lynch more than one person per day so I'm not aiming for a complete mafia call out - I am just convinced that you are mafia. I've also said several times that I believe that FirmTofu is mafia as well based on your posting similarities. But I guess you overlooked that.
Honestly, if you ARE town, I don't even think you know why you are making a case against me.
Got me there!
Wait, not really, try reading my last couple of posts.
If you are mafia, then the obvious reason would be to get a ball rolling on someone who's been vocal in the thread, so to make it "easier" to garner votes towards me.
So your defense now is: "I'M NOT MAFIA, HE'S MAFIA"? Let's say the town DOES finally decide to hang me, you don't think I'll end the day with someone like "Okay, once you hang me go after BioSC and FirmTofu"?
I feel like your strategy is pretty near-sighted for being a mafia. Your cute plan of trying to get whoever ShiaoPi was fingering more imaginative.
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Now austinmcc will ignore my posts and try to raise suspicion against darkfire because ShiaoPi had suspicions against him. Either you're mafia as well and trying to form a band wagon against darkfire before BioSC can get hunf or you're just a blind townie who would rather vote blindly against darkfire despite the scummier playa being made by BioSC. Change your vote to BioSC.
You're voting for darkfire even though the mafia is OBVIOULY trying to frame him and because he hasn't defended himself? What in the world?
(If you others actually band wagon darkfire I might consider ending my own life on day 3 TT!)
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On May 15 2012 03:57 BioSC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 14 2012 20:49 Anacletus wrote:You're not even refuting or countering any of my points with validations for your actions anymore: Yes, I am. Did you even read my last post? Show nested quote +Again, I've stated my reason for switching votes. Since you can't be bothered looking it up, here it is: I've stated several times that I am not voting for you solely based on your reasoning for changing votes. I would like to know where I wrote that your only reason for voting was me changing. I addressed each of your bad points, including this one. Show nested quote + Make a case against someone who is playing scummy, like we told you about 5 times. You're pretty condescending for someone who doesn't address any of the points I've made against them, but instead creates round-about posts that pretty aggressive. And YOU apparently lack the ability to read my posts, or just read what you want to see and ignore all the rest of my points. Care to answer my question back from before? I'm still waiting. You've tried to tie me to darkfire several times. Link Please. The only one linking yourself to Dark is YOU, in your case against me. We can't lynch more than one person per day so I'm not aiming for a complete mafia call out - I am just convinced that you are mafia. I've also said several times that I believe that FirmTofu is mafia as well based on your posting similarities. But I guess you overlooked that. Show nested quote +Honestly, if you ARE town, I don't even think you know why you are making a case against me. Got me there! Wait, not really, try reading my last couple of posts. I have. I still believe this Show nested quote +If you are mafia, then the obvious reason would be to get a ball rolling on someone who's been vocal in the thread, so to make it "easier" to garner votes towards me. So your defense now is: "I'M NOT MAFIA, HE'S MAFIA"? Let's say the town DOES finally decide to hang me, you don't think I'll end the day with someone like "Okay, once you hang me go after BioSC and FirmTofu"? You can say whatever you want, if you flip as scummy as you are playing, it won't matter what you say. I feel like your strategy is pretty near-sighted for being a mafia. Your cute plan of trying to get whoever ShiaoPi was fingering more imaginative. Now who's being condescending/aggressive? Adding cute to your points doesn't make them any better. I believe ShiaoPi far more than I believe you, because HE flipped town. YOU on the other hand have been scummy since min. one. Your posts aren't worth addressing anymore. Your case is bad and your responses in this post confirm to me you don't actually have any idea about why you are coming after me.
Right. My case is bad and THAT'S why you won't address the condemning information.
You voted for dark for not defending himself, and now you won't now. The irony is astounding.
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