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Forumite:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 04:10 Forumite wrote:
There´s a ton of things connecting VE to Marv. VE making a Radfield+Marv connection N2, right before shooting Radfield, effectively kills his own argument, distances him from Marv, while still making it look like VE is scumhunting and Marv is Town (because a strong case on him just got refuted). However, this is based on what VE did. Sbrubbles, did Marv do anything that connects him to VE, or do you base it only on what the flipped scum did?
I haven't found anything strongly connecting Marv -> VE. Marv soft defends VE on a few occasions but nothing that stands out too much. My case is based on the VE -> Marv connection and Marv's own scumminess.
Marv:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
My not-so-solid scumread at the moment is on Sbrubbles. Unfortunately my feelings on him make me a hypocrite with how I've attacked the case on me based on the VE connection.
I feel like the interaction between Sbrubbles and VE suggest a connection. VE pressures Sbrubbles and generally talks about him quite a lot (more than me) as part of his lurker connection. VE also calls Sbrubbles scum and a response somewhere very scummy. He keeps calling him scum when it doesn't matter and fake-pushing him.
Me pressuring VE on multiple occasions suggests a connection? So, calling him out and drawing attention to both him and to myself is the scummy thing to do? Also, I'd be happy if you could point out said scummy response.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
When the game is getting more serious just before VE gets shot, VE completely abandons any case on Sbrubbles to make a case on Radfield/me.
VE tried to discredit Rad on multiple instances before N2. It makes perfect sense he'd go back to it. You, on the other hand, he brought out from thin air (or, as I believe, from the scum QT).
+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
From Sbrubbles perspective he puts some pressure on VE day 1, and even votes for him twice. He votes for VE but says "he will vote for zentor for a majority" - i.e. this is a safe vote on VE at the moment as he's under no risk and will happily go back to zentor. There is then his case here on me which heavily involves VE, which I find to be an interesting psychological mistake. Really, VE and Sbrubbles have been distancing themselves all game, and now VE makes a case on me and miraculously Sbrubbles makes a case on me, with quite a large part dedicated to VE.
The problem with all this is that from any of you guys perspective (and also mine, I suppose) it's all WIFOM and you have no particular reason to believe me ahead of Sbrubbles.
I don't have a strong scum-read in the typical 'this all reeks of mafia motivation', and I went over phagga/prplhz/forumite/sbrubbles filters. s&b I think is probably town from his posts, and I can't really read Ace very well but a lot of what he says makes sense.
This leaves me with my gut read on the Sbrubbles and VE interactions that I have here.
So, doubting, accusing and pushing equates to "distancing" now? In that case I hope to "distance" myself from every scum in this game. You're grasping at straws at this point.
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I'd also lynch Sbrubbles over marvellosity.
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On April 29 2012 09:02 prplhz wrote:
Totally. Lets lynch somebody else. How about strongandbig?
He´s been absent during D3, and I want to hear what he has to say about all the flips. He posts less that Sbrubbles, that´s bad. He´s kind of like Marv during D1, but that doesn´t really make him scummy. For some reason I haven´t thought so much about him.
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Isn't "not having thought so much about him" a reason for thinking hard about him? 
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On April 29 2012 09:09 Sbrubbles wrote:Forumite: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 04:10 Forumite wrote:
There´s a ton of things connecting VE to Marv. VE making a Radfield+Marv connection N2, right before shooting Radfield, effectively kills his own argument, distances him from Marv, while still making it look like VE is scumhunting and Marv is Town (because a strong case on him just got refuted). However, this is based on what VE did. Sbrubbles, did Marv do anything that connects him to VE, or do you base it only on what the flipped scum did? I haven't found anything strongly connecting Marv -> VE. Marv soft defends VE on a few occasions but nothing that stands out too much. My case is based on the VE -> Marv connection and Marv's own scumminess. Marv: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
My not-so-solid scumread at the moment is on Sbrubbles. Unfortunately my feelings on him make me a hypocrite with how I've attacked the case on me based on the VE connection.
I feel like the interaction between Sbrubbles and VE suggest a connection. VE pressures Sbrubbles and generally talks about him quite a lot (more than me) as part of his lurker connection. VE also calls Sbrubbles scum and a response somewhere very scummy. He keeps calling him scum when it doesn't matter and fake-pushing him.
Me pressuring VE on multiple occasions suggests a connection? So, calling him out and drawing attention to both him and to myself is the scummy thing to do? Also, I'd be happy if you could point out said scummy response.+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
When the game is getting more serious just before VE gets shot, VE completely abandons any case on Sbrubbles to make a case on Radfield/me.
VE tried to discredit Rad on multiple instances before N2. It makes perfect sense he'd go back to it. You, on the other hand, he brought out from thin air (or, as I believe, from the scum QT). + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
From Sbrubbles perspective he puts some pressure on VE day 1, and even votes for him twice. He votes for VE but says "he will vote for zentor for a majority" - i.e. this is a safe vote on VE at the moment as he's under no risk and will happily go back to zentor. There is then his case here on me which heavily involves VE, which I find to be an interesting psychological mistake. Really, VE and Sbrubbles have been distancing themselves all game, and now VE makes a case on me and miraculously Sbrubbles makes a case on me, with quite a large part dedicated to VE.
The problem with all this is that from any of you guys perspective (and also mine, I suppose) it's all WIFOM and you have no particular reason to believe me ahead of Sbrubbles.
I don't have a strong scum-read in the typical 'this all reeks of mafia motivation', and I went over phagga/prplhz/forumite/sbrubbles filters. s&b I think is probably town from his posts, and I can't really read Ace very well but a lot of what he says makes sense.
This leaves me with my gut read on the Sbrubbles and VE interactions that I have here.
So, doubting, accusing and pushing equates to "distancing" now? In that case I hope to "distance" myself from every scum in this game. You're grasping at straws at this point.
Re: the bold, I was simply referring to VE's comment here:
On April 25 2012 11:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm still very interested in hearing Sbrubbles' take on everything that's going on. His response to my vote yesterday was scummy as hell in my opinion. It seemed more like he was trying to sheep Radfield and Toad's vote than an actual vote because he found me scummy.
Sup Sbrubbles?
I don't get your "I'm grasping at straws" comment. I'm remarking on what I've noticed, it's not a desperate defence.
I also don't know why you keep saying "distancing". I don't think I say "distancing". I am remarking on the remarkable amount of interaction between you and VE. None of which came close to culminating in anything.
Why so defensive?
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On April 29 2012 09:17 prplhz wrote:Isn't "not having thought so much about him" a reason for thinking hard about him?
Tomorrow, it's in the middle of the night.
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On April 29 2012 09:16 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 09:02 prplhz wrote:
Totally. Lets lynch somebody else. How about strongandbig? He´s been absent during D3, and I want to hear what he has to say about all the flips. He posts less that Sbrubbles, that´s bad. He´s kind of like Marv during D1, but that doesn´t really make him scummy. For some reason I haven´t thought so much about him.
Next week is finals week, so studying kind of started all of a sudden.
Here's my thoughts in a nutshell:
- I'm still suspicious of Ace. Some specifics:
- I don't think any real town player would have tried to shut down discussion in the way he has. His "focus on the lynch at hand" strategy translated to an attempt to get us not to talk about scumreads during all of day two. This seems to me very much like pushing a subtle mafia agenda, trying to get the town to not think about what it's doing. Even though we all knew Zentor was getting lynched barring something extraordinary happening, there was no good reason not to keep talking about who else might be scum.
A town isn't just a lynch machine. The essential function of a town is to discuss; to get information out in the public and to get people to post things that can be analyzed. Regarding the town as something that just finds someone to lynch, then finds the next person to lynch, then the next, is an impoverished view that I wouldn't expect to come from a real veteran townie.
Additionally, how does Ace expect the town to get information around which to build cases for later days, if he doesn't want us to discuss anything except the "lynch at hand", or the "easy lynch" as Radfield put it?
Finally, there's the subjects that Ace actually has discussed. Note that he has never actually put out a read or even an opinion on any of the other veterans in the game; except for some soft accusations toward Radfield, when Radfield started to post his cases on VE. If you look at Ace's filter, he actually accuses Radfield of being scummy by "trying to divert the Zentor bandwagon" with his case on VE. However, Ace never has discussed his opinion on Forumite's play, despite people repeatedly accusing him. Unless I missed it, he's also never commented on whether he thinks I'm scum, or sbrubbles, or anyone at all except for Zentor, Radfield, and Bluelightz.
This is from Ace's Mafia Manifesto:
Deny information - never give the town a damn thing. Whatever you know keep it yourself unless it furthers your win condition. Don't volunteer it if you don't have to. Don't even talk about it. If you are about to be lynched and the town asks you for information evaluate if you REALLY think it'll save you. It won't? Die without saying a word. Don't talk about anything. Don't talk to anyone unless it's to taunt them and make them emotional. They can't find your allies if you don't give them a clue.
Read that and think to yourself, does this or does it not sound like how Ace is playing right now?
- Regarding Bluelightz: I just skimmed through his filter. It is a bit erratic and he does throw accusations around randomly. However, the amount of effort he put into getting people to keep talking during Day 2 smells pretty town to me.
Think about it this way - what is more scummy, the person who takes a whole bunch of positions that may not make much sense, or the person who takes no positions whatsoever, except on the two easiest lynches and the player who successfully fingered a confirmed scum? I think the latter.
- Regarding Marvellosity: I don't have a good read on him yet. I just skimmed through his filter in the newbie game we played together, and my impressions were as follows:
1. During that game, he got indignant and forceful in responding to accusations that he was scum, similarly to what he's done here.
2. However, during that game he also made more reads - looking back, he may actually have been the first person to find the final scum. He definitely found him long before I did. This game, on the other hand, it seems like he hasn't really been posting much at all in the way of content that's helpful to town. That could either have town or scum explanations - it could just be that he either doesn't feel able to read people who know how to play much better than we did in that mini or that he feels intimidated by the vets in this game; or it could be that he's playing one of his first scum games and trying to post without actually posting much content. It actually does sort of remind me of how I posted during my first scum game in space station mafia.
Overall my read right now on Marvellosity is null, but squarely in the >.> suspicious looking category.
Snarfs proved my wrong after I called him out for fitting in rather than contributing; he started contributing significantly, as well as taking a great shot on VE. Marvellosity could very well do the same.
##vote: Ace
PS: I have a problem set due on Monday at 10AM. We are supposed to turn that in at the same time as we pick up the first of two 48-hour take home exams. Barring serious bodily harm I will post once more before deadline, but I can't promise much more than that. I'll try to drop shorter posts from my phone when I can though.
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My Case on Ace
Preface: I had suspicions on Ace starting Night 2, Now, I will make it into a case. I couldn't post it last night due to as I said, need to sleep and, I lost my case 2 times :mad:. Now, My case will be divided into an analysis on why Ace's play is scummy as hell on day 1 and day 2.
Day 1
Day 1, I had a small suspicion on Ace because he spent roughly half of his day 1 filter with setup speculation which does NOT, help us achieve our win con of destroying all scum one way or the other. Ace, is trying to 'look' like he's contributing but he's not because he is as I quote from Ace's guide (thanks to s&b for referencing this) 'denying information' to town.
On his Day 1 vote, in his vote Ace hedges, ALOT. He throws out random reads and spends half his vote post with '@phagga blabla' and then, his vote is only because of a frickin 1 liner.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2012 15:55 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 11:35 Radfield wrote:Ace, do you fear the masons in this game(if they do exist that is)?  Actually before the game setup was finished I PM'd wbg about a possible breaking strategy that existed. It's still powerful but not game breaking. It's a small enough setup that if both Masons would have claimed Day 2 after an outed Cop claim the Mafia would have a hard time winning. With one KP and an outed investigation: 2 Masons (confirmed only to each other, both highly likely Town. 1 death confirms both) 1 claimed Cop A possible medic exists. An innocent/guilty investigation (doesn't really matter which yet). You'd have at least 3 possible innocents and only 1 KP to stop them with a prot role in the background. Town uses it's numbers advantage to just outlast the Scum as the other pool of players contains at least 2 Scum no matter what the original investigation flipped. There were also some other things that made it more brutal: If the Cop investigated either of the Masons and they all claimed, a Scum counterclaim doesn't help. If the Cop finds Scum on the first try then the Masons claiming is almost surely legit as the chances of Scum claiming Mason at that point is suicide. But it depended on the willingness of the Cop to claim, and the competence of the Masons to claim even without the possibility of a Cop claim. Spends majority of first post on setup speculation/strategyOn April 24 2012 06:47 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 22:52 prplhz wrote:
@Ace We're approaching the deadline, who do you have in mind for lynch today? Right now it looks like VisceraEyes and MrZentor are the two front runners, do you have any preference among these? (last question was just a suggestion, just talk about whatever scum read you have)
I went back to read the interaction between VE and Zentor and it doesn't seem like a big deal to me. I think anyone trying to make that little bit into a lynch is the real culprit here. I'm betting that if we lynched one of them and they flipped Town, the guys leading the lynch could just say "Well, the case was solid" when it wasn't. Now I did skim a bit further down in the thread and notice you said you didn't call VE scum but you are a part of this. However Radfield popped his vote on very early so I think he's just as guilty as you are. Show nested quote +Bluelightz wrote
So, I have two suspicions, I will vote Radfield as he sheeped, and is being different to his meta.
##Vote: Radfield
What is Radfield's meta? I agree with the sheeping though. @strongandbig: I'm somewhat on the same vein of thinking. As I mentioned in my reply to prphlz I think the people trying to lynch Zentor or VE need to be more scrutinized. I'm leaning towards Radfield being the scummy one. I find it hard to believe he really has a way to apply pressure to VE whether the guy was posting or not since he didn't seem to be around himself. If he was indeed around I'm pretty sure instead of waiting for VE to show up he'd have a comment about something in the mean time. VE not being around is just an excuse so that he didn't have to post himself. Show nested quote +ToadStern wrote
That's really important because the big part has 2 major phrases in there:
1) People saying "I don't think VE would ignore what's going on for so long if he's mafia". I think I just showed that he would if he thinks there's no danger. He even told me to do that last game. Agree anyone?
2) Scumhunting. I don't see that at all.
So I really think he's mafia at this point and nothing that was presented is a towntell at all because frankly he DOES that as mafia as well.
On the signing matter, Sandrobas and my style really are pretty easy to distinguish howver if you see a post that's not signed just assume it's Sandroba because I'm trying to do that every time and will do an EBWOP if I forget to sign my post.
If the stuff that was presented is a null tell then what are you basing your opinion on VE on? That he isn't scum hunting? @VE: Why are you voting for me? Don't answer this anymore I saw your unvote. @phagga: I guess you didn't see Bluelightz play in DFM 2. @Snarfs: Where are the posts that show marvelosity soft defending players? @Snarfs: Re: Radfield - yes! @Toad: I don't know if you know this but using meta to try and wrangle someone's play style is bad. Unless there is a radical change in a specific thing a person always does comparing activity between games is a null tell. It just promotes tunneling. @Radfield: Well you sure made it back in time with a thoughtful little post. But I don't agree with "dont lynch a strong Town player" theory. We lynch people that are shown to have scummy behavior regardless of past performance or reputation. None of us as far as I know, know each others' alignment. So just assuming that stance is ridiculous. I also don't buy that you didn't really want to lynch VE. If VE was at 5 votes and made that same post would you really have showed up to stop the wagon?@VE: Maybe when you were doing whatever is you do you missed the posts where I said there have been many games where I just sit back and chill out on early in the game. If that is a good enough reason to vote for me then maybe you should vote for some other players who have done less than I have. ##vote: Radfield I'm not buying his recanting of the vote on VE. Ace's 'huge' vote post but only with a one-liner of reason.
Day 2
This day, Ace was being the most scummiest I've found of all the days that have past in this game.
First, on this day Ace was 'trying'to shut down Town discussion, he kept on pushing MrZentor for derp reasons. Ace, kept on pushing the relatively easy targets today, and even said that no discussion of other candidates to the lynch was good. This is bad, because if there is no discussion (which scum would like) we would be very confused on who to lynch D3. Ace also, tries to setup for my lynch during the night, even calls me an 'easy target'. Lastly, Ace NEVER, tries to see on ANY possibilities if Zentor was town (Meta for example).
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Conclusion
Ace, is trying to look like he *is* contributing, but he is not. He is trying to deny information to town. He is pushing easy lynches on people that are town (MrZentor as an example), Ace, has not done any legit scum hunting, he borderline refuses to make a case on someone and in other means is denying info to us(town).
I can not find a townie reason or mindset for how Ace has played, therefore I think that Ace is scum, and we should lynch him today. Lastly, Ace continually denies requests for as to add information for us to discuss etc.
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WHERE IS EVERYONE?!?!?!?!?!
T_T
btw I think Ace is deliberating with his scum mates on how to defend on the pressure (just a guess ><)
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Fuck it, I`m going with my first strong gut feeling. I'm agreeing with Sbrubbles case on Marv. I think what happened at the end of the night was that VE intentionally made a case on Rad+Marv in order to make both him and Marv look good when Radfield died. On the flipside, Marv is talking about VE a lot.
##Vote marvellosity
I´m going to be out of contact for a few hours, should be back about 2 hours before the lynch. I hope it´s enough time to consolidate our votes and avoid a no-lynch.
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On April 29 2012 23:57 Bluelightz wrote:
WHERE IS EVERYONE?!?!?!?!?!
T_T
btw I think Ace is deliberating with his scum mates on how to defend on the pressure (just a guess ><)
actually I was out and about all day yesterday. Just woke up from partying but I did read your posts earlier in the morning. I think their rubbish and I'm feeling lazy. Do you want me to respond to them though?
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Case on marv is bullshit by the way. You guys are trying to imply that a known Scum player did something that connects him with marv. Let me repeat that:
A known Scum player.
Trying to attach marv to some made up wifom is bs.
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On April 30 2012 01:40 Ace wrote:
Case on marv is bullshit by the way. You guys are trying to imply that a known Scum player did something that connects him with marv. Let me repeat that:
A known Scum player.
Trying to attach marv to some made up wifom is bs.
Yup, people are pretty dumb if they think that VE would make a case on me if I were his scumbuddy. It's so stupid it hurts.
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On April 30 2012 01:38 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 23:57 Bluelightz wrote:
WHERE IS EVERYONE?!?!?!?!?!
T_T
btw I think Ace is deliberating with his scum mates on how to defend on the pressure (just a guess ><) actually I was out and about all day yesterday. Just woke up from partying but I did read your posts earlier in the morning. I think their rubbish and I'm feeling lazy. Do you want me to respond to them though?
But I would certainly like you to reply to their posts, especially s&b's.
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On April 28 2012 19:45 marvellosity wrote:
If you're going to make a case, please make a case that's made of something. The entire thrust of a case against me should be that I haven't managed to scumhunt, which is an accusation I can't easily brush away. Your case however is easily brushed away based on weak circumstance and connection.
On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
My not-so-solid scumread at the moment is on Sbrubbles. Unfortunately my feelings on him make me a hypocrite with how I've attacked the case on me based on the VE connection.
I feel like the interaction between Sbrubbles and VE suggest a connection. VE pressures Sbrubbles and generally talks about him quite a lot (more than me) as part of his lurker connection. VE also calls Sbrubbles scum and a response somewhere very scummy. He keeps calling him scum when it doesn't matter and fake-pushing him. When the game is getting more serious just before VE gets shot, VE completely abandons any case on Sbrubbles to make a case on Radfield/me.
From Sbrubbles perspective he puts some pressure on VE day 1, and even votes for him twice. He votes for VE but says "he will vote for zentor for a majority" - i.e. this is a safe vote on VE at the moment as he's under no risk and will happily go back to zentor. There is then his case here on me which heavily involves VE, which I find to be an interesting psychological mistake. Really, VE and Sbrubbles have been distancing themselves all game, and now VE makes a case on me and miraculously Sbrubbles makes a case on me, with quite a large part dedicated to VE.
The problem with all this is that from any of you guys perspective (and also mine, I suppose) it's all WIFOM and you have no particular reason to believe me ahead of Sbrubbles.
I don't have a strong scum-read in the typical 'this all reeks of mafia motivation', and I went over phagga/prplhz/forumite/sbrubbles filters. s&b I think is probably town from his posts, and I can't really read Ace very well but a lot of what he says makes sense.
This leaves me with my gut read on the Sbrubbles and VE interactions that I have here.
Quit being a hypocrite and give me a real case on someone.
I'm still fine with either a marvellosity or an Ace lynch. I think both of them need to die before lylo anyways unless they show us some actual desire to find scum.
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On April 30 2012 02:34 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 19:45 marvellosity wrote:
If you're going to make a case, please make a case that's made of something. The entire thrust of a case against me should be that I haven't managed to scumhunt, which is an accusation I can't easily brush away. Your case however is easily brushed away based on weak circumstance and connection. Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
My not-so-solid scumread at the moment is on Sbrubbles. Unfortunately my feelings on him make me a hypocrite with how I've attacked the case on me based on the VE connection.
I feel like the interaction between Sbrubbles and VE suggest a connection. VE pressures Sbrubbles and generally talks about him quite a lot (more than me) as part of his lurker connection. VE also calls Sbrubbles scum and a response somewhere very scummy. He keeps calling him scum when it doesn't matter and fake-pushing him. When the game is getting more serious just before VE gets shot, VE completely abandons any case on Sbrubbles to make a case on Radfield/me.
From Sbrubbles perspective he puts some pressure on VE day 1, and even votes for him twice. He votes for VE but says "he will vote for zentor for a majority" - i.e. this is a safe vote on VE at the moment as he's under no risk and will happily go back to zentor. There is then his case here on me which heavily involves VE, which I find to be an interesting psychological mistake. Really, VE and Sbrubbles have been distancing themselves all game, and now VE makes a case on me and miraculously Sbrubbles makes a case on me, with quite a large part dedicated to VE.
The problem with all this is that from any of you guys perspective (and also mine, I suppose) it's all WIFOM and you have no particular reason to believe me ahead of Sbrubbles.
I don't have a strong scum-read in the typical 'this all reeks of mafia motivation', and I went over phagga/prplhz/forumite/sbrubbles filters. s&b I think is probably town from his posts, and I can't really read Ace very well but a lot of what he says makes sense.
This leaves me with my gut read on the Sbrubbles and VE interactions that I have here.
Quit being a hypocrite and give me a real case on someone. I'm still fine with either a marvellosity or an Ace lynch. I think both of them need to die before lylo anyways unless they show us some actual desire to find scum.
How am I being a hypocrite? I never said my comments on Sbrubbles constituted a case - only he and laughable people like you are for some reason lapping up VE's case on me that makes me scum. Get a grip.
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Anyway, this has been bugging me and I found it, slightly tangentially:
On April 27 2012 10:02 Radfield wrote:
I had not even realized that only 2 scum was a possibility. I was obviously reading the C9++ setup wrong.
At any rate, it seems fairly likely that we don't have a lot of power roles this game. Consider:
No masons, as they would've claimed
No jailkeepers, as no on claimed a roleblock
No vigilantes fired on N1
No Serial Killer, as there was only 1 kill(possibly overlap though)
1 1-shot Cop, likely no second full cop.
No roleblockers, again as no one claimed a roleblock. This is doubly important, as combined with no SK it means we know the setup exactly:
1 Goon, 1 Godfather, 1 Town Power role(me). Unless I've messed up on reading, this is the setup.
Yes, you messed up the reading, my dear departed Radfield. There were 3 scum in this game, and there are likely 3 scum in this game. Toad in Pink Dress isn't marked as scum on Page 1, but if you look at the thread he was.
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EBWOP: There were 3 scum in that game
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On April 30 2012 01:40 Ace wrote:
Case on marv is bullshit by the way. You guys are trying to imply that a known Scum player did something that connects him with marv. Let me repeat that:
A known Scum player.
Trying to attach marv to some made up wifom is bs.
Think about this from a different perpective. VE had no idea he was going to die. Everything he said during the night was under the assumption that he was gonna be alive today.
Tell me Ace, why did VE make a big case on Rad, who was playing strongly as town, 3 minutes before killing him and confirming him as town? And why add marvelosity to the case?
Ace, you're known as a strong town player and I respect you opinion. But you're refusing to put any thought into case and it's starting to look scummy.
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On April 30 2012 02:42 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 01:40 Ace wrote:
Case on marv is bullshit by the way. You guys are trying to imply that a known Scum player did something that connects him with marv. Let me repeat that:
A known Scum player.
Trying to attach marv to some made up wifom is bs. Think about this from a different perpective. VE had no idea he was going to die. Everything he said during the night was under the assumption that he was gonna be alive today. Tell me Ace, why did VE make a big case on Rad, who was playing strongly as town, 3 minutes before killing him and confirming him as town? And why add marvelosity to the case? Ace, you're known as a strong town player and I respect you opinion. But you're refusing to put any thought into case and it's starting to look scummy.
No, you're just incapable of thinking logically.
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