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On April 29 2012 00:48 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 23:52 Ace wrote:On April 28 2012 23:18 Sbrubbles wrote:On April 28 2012 23:09 Ace wrote:
He bussed VE? Where? He didn't, because VE is dead. I'm saying that was their plan. If VE would have lived. Probable but why didn't he begin setting up VE during Night 2 or at the very end of Day 1? There was a lot of discussion going on and VEs name was off the radar. If he wanted to bus VE that would have been the perfect time to remind everyone "hey, VE is still a top suspect". That's a possibility. But do you see any other reason why VE would accuse Rad, who he knew was gonna die? I mean, why put a lot of effort into calling Rad scummy only 3 minutes before killing him? And why he would add Marv into his accusation? I've got my theory, but I'd like to know yours, Ace.
This argument is so retarded, why would VE bring focus on me one way or another?
LOOK AT THE RESULT. You guys are all looking at him making a case on me going "her der bus lololol" and what have you.
That is an entirely fucking predictable result, and if you don't agree, then you're being wilfully dumb.
It's absolute nonsense to suggest anything VE has done with me makes me connected with him.
Like I said, the case against me is not having scumhunted. All the case with VE in it is so stupid I can't even fathom.
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I personally don't give much of a shit what somebody else did, it's more what you did. Which has been three pages of nothing.
Do you actually think that anybody is scum?
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On April 29 2012 02:31 Snarfs wrote:To be specific marv, if you're looking for something to give your opinion on: I noticed you were asking for previous filters from Bluelightz's scum games. What did you make of that? Show nested quote +Quick question: anyone know which games Bluelightz played scum in of late please? What do you think of Ace's pressure on Bluelightz? And finally, how would you compare strongandbig's play in the newbie game you played together to this game?
I will look into Bluelightz now, time got away with me last night.
regarding strongandbig - he's quite good at walls of text as newbie or scum. For reference he was scum in Space station mafia. I incorrectly had a town read on him for quite a while until he failed to respond to a PM in Space Station where I felt he would have as town, so I'm not that confident in my ability to read his alignment.
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EBWOP: - as town or scum, not as newbie or scum :/
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On April 29 2012 03:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 02:31 Snarfs wrote:To be specific marv, if you're looking for something to give your opinion on: I noticed you were asking for previous filters from Bluelightz's scum games. What did you make of that? Quick question: anyone know which games Bluelightz played scum in of late please? What do you think of Ace's pressure on Bluelightz? And finally, how would you compare strongandbig's play in the newbie game you played together to this game? I will look into Bluelightz now, time got away with me last night. regarding strongandbig - he's quite good at walls of text as newbie or scum. For reference he was scum in Space station mafia. I incorrectly had a town read on him for quite a while until he failed to respond to a PM in Space Station where I felt he would have as town, so I'm not that confident in my ability to read his alignment.
Ok, further to this, I went over Bluelightz' filter in Aperture, I'm a Cop, and here.
My read of it tells me that he is town. The reason for this is perhaps counterintuitive - in I'm a Cop, as townie, he was talking about who he viewed as town all the time. In Aperture he did not do this at all. Here again he is talking about viewing people as town. I feel his play here is more consistent with his town play than his scum play.
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There´s a ton of things connecting VE to Marv. VE making a Radfield+Marv connection N2, right before shooting Radfield, effectively kills his own argument, distances him from Marv, while still making it look like VE is scumhunting and Marv is Town (because a strong case on him just got refuted). However, this is based on what VE did. Sbrubbles, did Marv do anything that connects him to VE, or do you base it only on what the flipped scum did?
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@marvellosity We're all quite aware that Bluelightz is town which is why his lynch is gaining zero momentum even though Ace is pushing it. Who is scum if not you or him?
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On April 29 2012 05:34 prplhz wrote:
phagga could be scum.
What made you think of phagga?
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On April 29 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote:
@marvellosity We're all quite aware that Bluelightz is town which is why his lynch is gaining zero momentum even though Ace is pushing it. Who is scum if not you or him?
Fuck if I know atm.
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On April 29 2012 06:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote:
@marvellosity We're all quite aware that Bluelightz is town which is why his lynch is gaining zero momentum even though Ace is pushing it. Who is scum if not you or him? Fuck if I know atm.
You seem to be very blunt about how you don't have any reads but that doesn't actually look town, it looks like a scum who heard someone say that being blunt is a town trait. Right now what you're saying is "I have no thoughts on the game and we should no-lynch today", and that is in no way pro-town.
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On April 29 2012 06:23 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 06:15 marvellosity wrote:On April 29 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote:
@marvellosity We're all quite aware that Bluelightz is town which is why his lynch is gaining zero momentum even though Ace is pushing it. Who is scum if not you or him? Fuck if I know atm. You seem to be very blunt about how you don't have any reads but that doesn't actually look town, it looks like a scum who heard someone say that being blunt is a town trait. Right now what you're saying is "I have no thoughts on the game and we should no-lynch today", and that is in no way pro-town.
No, that's not what I said, and I'm not trying to look town with the way I say it.
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Then what are you saying?
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I'm saying I don't have a solid scum-read at the moment. Nothing more nothing less.
Other than people who think I'm scum, does anyone? Ace has Bluelightz... what else?
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So who are your not-so-solid scum-reads at the moment? It looks like if you had everything your way, nobody would be doing anything but getting off of your back which is not very townie of you. I don't get why you are being obstructive and insisting on having me coax your reads out of you.
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My not-so-solid scumread at the moment is on Sbrubbles. Unfortunately my feelings on him make me a hypocrite with how I've attacked the case on me based on the VE connection.
I feel like the interaction between Sbrubbles and VE suggest a connection. VE pressures Sbrubbles and generally talks about him quite a lot (more than me) as part of his lurker connection. VE also calls Sbrubbles scum and a response somewhere very scummy. He keeps calling him scum when it doesn't matter and fake-pushing him. When the game is getting more serious just before VE gets shot, VE completely abandons any case on Sbrubbles to make a case on Radfield/me.
From Sbrubbles perspective he puts some pressure on VE day 1, and even votes for him twice. He votes for VE but says "he will vote for zentor for a majority" - i.e. this is a safe vote on VE at the moment as he's under no risk and will happily go back to zentor. There is then his case here on me which heavily involves VE, which I find to be an interesting psychological mistake. Really, VE and Sbrubbles have been distancing themselves all game, and now VE makes a case on me and miraculously Sbrubbles makes a case on me, with quite a large part dedicated to VE.
The problem with all this is that from any of you guys perspective (and also mine, I suppose) it's all WIFOM and you have no particular reason to believe me ahead of Sbrubbles.
I don't have a strong scum-read in the typical 'this all reeks of mafia motivation', and I went over phagga/prplhz/forumite/sbrubbles filters. s&b I think is probably town from his posts, and I can't really read Ace very well but a lot of what he says makes sense.
This leaves me with my gut read on the Sbrubbles and VE interactions that I have here.
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On April 29 2012 08:29 prplhz wrote:
@Forumite You here mate?
I´m here. I´m trying to make sense of this but too tired/confused. I was so close to throwing in with Sbrubbles. When I first saw the case it made perfect sense, the distancing, the Radfield+Marv case, where Rad got shot, making the case fall apart, so Marv looks town, while VE gets towncred for scumhunting. Right now I don´t know. Marv made an OMGUS on Sbrubbles, but it wasn´t an OMGUS, he´s so damn calm about it even when half the town are preparing to lynch him.
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Totally. Lets lynch somebody else. How about strongandbig?
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