TL Mafia 'Area' LIII - Page 59

On April 25 2012 05:33 Mementoss wrote:


You realize its pluarity which means there would never be a chance of No Lynch>?

On April 25 2012 05:34 Ottoxlol wrote:
I will post as soon as I figure out. I already told you I have no clear reads so lurkers are fine with me.

Pressuring me to take a stand, then when i say i have no strong reads so right now I would lynch lurkers. And thats scummy because I dont take a stand. Or I dont have strong reads. Oh wait thats impossible, we have so good cases everyone rallied to lynch the scum of the day.

On April 25 2012 05:36 ghost_403 wrote:
@Midnight: I found two scum. I'm saying let's lynch the one today and the other tomorrow. Lynching scum sounds like a good idea to me.

On April 25 2012 05:38 MidnightGladius wrote:


And I think that that's presumptuous and downright misleading, considering that you're discounting an entire Day/Night's worth of information. The only reason you would want to start tomorrow's lynch train today would be to try and minimize discussion tomorrow, which is incredibly scummy, considering that with BJ's modkill, we could be at LYLO very quickly.

On April 25 2012 05:45 MidnightGladius wrote:
Very well, Mattchew, point taken. However, he didn't address my earlier post, noting that the reasoning he gave in that post was horrendously bad.

"Sentinel has 2 votes [when everyone else has 1]."

That single line screamed scum to me so loudly that I admit I haven't even gone through the rest of his filter yet. Or maybe I'm just sleep-deprived. I dunno, I'm going to take a nap and come back later.

On April 25 2012 05:41 Ottoxlol wrote:
@Sentinel

I already answered most of these accusations, read my posts.
One new point however, the one liners. When ppl doesnt reply or their accusations lack content and/or I already explained it several times why do you want a wall of text?

On April 24 2012 14:50 Bill Murray wrote:
I would be pretty hypocritical to vote him for that. I don't see it. It is really easy to mistake someone who is nervous with a Doctor or Jailkeeper role as being mafia... It's something we can't help. VE's vote for me was more like a placeholder. I was pretty busy during the time period. I didn't expect to get wagonned by mafia and for him to actually die. VE is a great player that shouldn't ever be lynched on D1. We should have lynched someone like Paqman on policy, though I'm glad we didn't now. His "we could have 3 vigs" comment cracked me up.

On April 25 2012 06:03 Ottoxlol wrote:
@Sentinel

Your main argument is that I did nothing and I post a lot of one liners.

I did push gonzaws plan, pressured VE, you. then after he claimed I made a case against him and defended it. D2 I had a plan, no one liked it. I have no strong reads so I don't have a case right now, but the majority of ppl doesnt have neither.

On April 23 2012 02:24 MidnightGladius wrote:
Good morning, everyone. Yesterday's activities stretched way longer than anticipated, a friend ended up crashing at my place, and I wasn't keen on staying awake past 2AM to re-read the thread.

I'm dropping my vote on marv, because other players are looking way more suspicious. He has also started posting much better, and I think his earlier response to my and BJ's cases was genuine.

VE's claim makes absolutely no sense at all to me, and I can't see how it, or his subsequent behavior, benefits the town at all. Other players have made their cases well enough, so I'm not going to rehash their points, but VE is one of the more scummy players here right now. The only problem is, unlike LI, this claim makes no sense, doesn't advance a scum agenda, and isn't being supported by other mafia members. No one is even trying to defend him, except johnnywup, and I didn't see a scum plan out of their previous interactions. Would scum bus VE this early? It just doesn't make nearly as much sense as his actions in LI.

The other possibility is that VE and johnnywup are both scum, playing less than optimally, with one or more of their teammates lurking heavily.

In fact, the more I look at johnnywup's filter, it's pretty condemning.

Starting from the second page of his filter, he puts a lot of suspicion on Paqman, who he calls "super scummy." However, he doesn't vote for him.

He then says that Risen and St.Daniel are both scummy, raises doubts about Paqman's voting, and states that marv is looking better. He then immediately votes for marvellosity after BJ's second case. Why is johnny willing to revise his reads and immediately vote based on others' reasoning, while completely failing to push and vote for his own scumreads?

He earlier was going to post a case on Sentinel, but never did so, apparently having felt that his evidence wasn't firm enough, but he continues to view Sentinel suspiciously, and even considers voting for him at ghost's request, if he presents a case. Again, we see a pattern where johnnywup is entirely willing to sheep other players, but doesn't want to make the first move.

Johnny's reasoning for not having to post his case, "I'm being transparent, and I think my case is bad, so I'm not going to post it," is fair enough, but it leaves a pretty gaping hole in his argument: If Sentinel was scummy to him, but he couldn't make a compelling case, then what about his other scumreads? If johnny thinks Sentinel is innocent, then that must mean that he finds other players more suspicious. However, he doesn't pursue any of them! He doesn't write any cases, or ask any questions, or anything.

Johnny's voteswitch to BM comes totally out of the blue. He doesn't say anything about why he's unvoting marv, despite earlier being more sure of it than he was of his own case against Paqman. And guess what, he immediately is certain of BM's guilt... but only after others made the first move.

In between his posts where he is absolutely certain of someone being scum, he posts a bunch of not-particularly-helpful one-liners, but he hasn't done any real scumhunting of his own at all. Besides his defense of VE, he hasn't really taken an independent stance on anything. That, coupled with his sheeping, is enough to convince me.

##Unvote: marvellosity
##Vote: johnnywup

On April 23 2012 07:45 MidnightGladius wrote:
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I still think that johnny is the best scum candidate at the moment, and that it's not too late to make it happen. His defense against my allegation of sheeping was to acknowledge that he was sheeping and claim that he's a bad player. How in the world are we just letting that slide?

I would also be okay with lynching VE based on his complete unwillingness to continue playing, even though I'm hesitant to lynch a D1 jailkeeper claim, ridiculously scummy play or not.

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On April 25 2012 06:03 Ottoxlol wrote:
@Sentinel

Your main argument is that I did nothing and I post a lot of one liners.

I did push gonzaws plan, pressured VE, you. then after he claimed I made a case against him and defended it. D2 I had a plan, no one liked it. I have no strong reads so I don't have a case right now, but the majority of ppl doesnt have neither.