EPTNewbie Mini Mafia IX - Page 3
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Solohan then Lazer. Then right before the night post you state: 1. Lazer 2. TheRavensName 3. BlueyD/Lorant. You say a lazer lynch would be the best option if you died during the night. Then at the start of this day you voted Solohan. Now you make a case and switch to BlueyD. So, what happened to your suspicions of Lazer (your previous number 1) and Solohan (who you've been on since his first post)? Especially when a vote for Lazer is already well established? Why are you now more suspicious of BlueyD than you are of Lazer? | ||
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I'm not sure what we do with this right now. What does everyone think? | ||
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It's hard to disagree with the fact he vote switched the moment he was linked with you and a good case was made against you. It's hard to disagree with the fact he led the vote on oneplus, even after stating several times he thought he was town. It's hard to disagree with the fact that he disappeared after making the vote against oneplus, and that he didn't offer any real defence to the suspicious against him when he re-appeared. And you're now reading him as town I take it? Based on this quote that seems to be the case: They're going for the easy townie. Interesting. | ||
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On April 20 2012 01:12 Nova_Terra wrote: Yes, as i said, These are such bad moves i cant actually comprehend that a mafia would choose to do that. Well, call me crazy, but I want to push for a vote on the person with the most suspicious behaviour so far. | ||
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You don't have to agree with my case on him, but I'm basing it on what I can establish from everything I've read so far. It's a solid, tangible lead based on his behaviour. You seem to imply that because he was dumb enough to act so scum like, that he couldn't possibly be scum. This is the same opinion voiced by Nova. Of course you can have stupid scum, and I believe that's what we have here. | ||
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On April 20 2012 06:17 Lazermonkey wrote: Going to bed now, hope that I survive the night. Don't think so tho :S. Pure seems to act strange at this point, doesn't answer my post even tho he is accusing me etc. Will keep my vote on Solohan tho. Hope to see you tomorrow ^^ Sorry, but there isn't much to say. You can't change the actions that led me to vote for you, and claiming inexperience as a reason just doesn't cut it for me. We're all inexperienced, it's why this is a newbie game. You've had the most suspicious behaviour to date, and at this stage with the information available, I made my vote based on that. | ||
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On April 20 2012 06:26 Lorant wrote: Pure, tell me why you think Lazer is scummy from a scum agenda POV. Be creative and for the love of God just find something. It's not about the overall scum agenda, so I don't think you can find what you are looking for from me. He made a mistake on day 1 with his switch on Nova, he then initiated an unsubstantiated lynch vote onto oneplus, dissapeared, and then returned with weak cases on first Mechiji and then Solohan. The case notes and my reasoning are there to see. Am I 100% certain that he is mafia? No. But he is my strongest mafia read so far and I haven't identified with any other cases at this time. For what it's worth, Nova is still high on my list but see no point pushing that yet. | ||
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On April 20 2012 06:48 Nova_Terra wrote: ahh sry FF said 25 mins and i freaked out Where did he say this? I don't see a post from him stating this? | ||
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I'm sorry Lazermonkey  | ||
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How I see it, the only real information we have right now is who voted for who, and seeing if that tells us anything, and trying to find the motivation. In my initial analysis of Oneplus's lynch, I excluded my suspicions from people I read as town, and to a certain extent didn't put much weight into cases made against them. Based on last nights lynch result, it's time I stopped leaning anyone as town and look at everything as objectively as possible. So for starters, the voting. Day 1: Voted for OnePlus: Daymor, Crossfire, Nova_Terra, Therapist, Lazermonkey, BlueyD, (TheRavensName as well, but he switched off 13 minutes prior to deadline) Voted for others: Pure-SC2, Solohan50, Macheji, TheRavensName, OnePlus voted for Nova_Terra Lorant voted for Crossfire Day 2: Voted for Lazermonkey: BlueyD, Pure-SC2, Solohan50, Daymore Voted for others: Nova_Terra, Lorant and Therapist voted for Pure-SC2 Macheji voted for Nova_Terra Lazermonkey voted for Solohan50 TheRavensName - missed the voting window I think that at least 2 mafia voted for Oneplus, and at least 1 voted for Lazermonkey. Interestingly, BlueyD and Daymore voted for both. I also think that the mafia team wouldn't all be voting on the same target. Therapist: Turns up 40 minutes before deadline (after 2 days absence) and puts an unsubstantiated vote on Pure-SC2 (me), due to "fairly blind faith in Nova". He is the ultimate non-contributing lurker at the moment. @Lorant - I think getting a hit on blue Crossfire was luck. I don't think he was targeted specifically because he was blue, but of course I could be wrong. My WIFOM thoughts at the time was that he was hit to discredit me, as I had fingered Nova->Lazer->Crossfire as suspicious. Now that we know Lazer was town, this seems even more likely to me. One thing I don't understand, why did Daymore post a link to his whole google doc of notes? On my initial read through I thought it was great as I could see he had very similar reads to me, and considered me town, etc etc. But later on I thought it seemed a little strange to link the doc like that. | ||
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On April 20 2012 06:49 Nova_Terra wrote: Pure, one thing that is continuing to concern me is the fact that you refuse to mention or aknowledge other cases, and you continue to tunnel. Are they inferior to your own? why do you have this stance? The longer you keep this up the more i think you are scum. This is a fair question Nova. I've read everyone's cases and found many of them to be quite weak, some have contained plain incorrect information and some are based purely on WIFOM and past game meta. I didn't find anything in them that convinced me that there was someone better to vote for than Lazer. You are right, in that I've tunnelled both yourself and Lazer quite strongly since the beginning and in hindsight can see the problems with this. In the lead up to the deadline last night I became more and more convinced that Lazer was going to flip town, but couldn't see anyone I would rather vote for in his place. At the least I felt that we would have 2 days of voting behaviour to look at in order to learn something from and develop leads. I'm revisiting everyone's cases today to see if I missed anything on my first read through, plus am planning to look into some of my own leads and see if anything lines up. | ||
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Looking back at the voting patterns, one thing came to mind. I'm starting to get a stronger town leaning on Nova (he's flipped around so much), and I'm wondering if the mafia is hiding behind us both, i.e., they spread their sheeping across us both since we seem to be the most vocal and can support us when then know we suspecting townies in order to lend weight to our suspicions. | ||
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Therapist is either very suspicious or just highly inactive town who loves Nova. I'm leaning suspicious. Nova I'm leaning town on, but damn he has said a lot of scummy things. Lorant, keep the scum analysis coming. Daymor's my strongest town read, but thats just based on the fact he seems to think like me. TheRavensName, slight town read. | ||
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BlueyD's filter reads like someone playing the pro-town sheep mafia style. His comments on Therapist throw me a bit though. | ||
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