EPTThis is so contradictory. Why on earth would you support the case of the person who you most believe to be mafia???
Was bullshit?
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vonKlaust
Sweden158 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
@HiroPro vonKlaust has a point, you were the only one of us to initially suspect Xatalos and voted so, but because you agree with his case towards vonKlaus now, you're willing to switch your vote and agree with the person you originally suspected? Also making a decision about lynching someone because he didn't or did vote his target is so arbitrarily illogical. Xatalos voted ArcticFox, now he's changing his vote, I have never even voted someone even though I had plenty of cause to (dittert, xatalos for the same reasons you originally stated) It's better to be consistent with your vote, changing votes constantly is scummy behavior because it shows that you are just looking for the easy lynch. @vonKlaust You have been pretty lackluster so far as a town player. You have a lot of baggage now that people are targeting you on, I may not be inclined to lynch you as readily as Xatalos or HiroPro, but you also haven't convinced me of your innocence either. Who are you willing to keep your vote on as of this moment among your top candidates? Make a case. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On April 13 2012 07:57 HiroPro wrote: Alright, I see this. But if Xatalos is your main suspect, I'm still wondering why you never voted for him. 1. Xatalos makes bad case. 2. I vote for Xatalos. 3. Broodking asks why I'm "bandwagoning Xatalos" (lololol) 4. I respond 5. Xatalos makes good case. 6. I trust Xatalos more and see similar suspicious behavior as Xatalos does in vonKaust. I vote for vonKlaust. The problem I have with your case against Xatalos was that Xatalos never had the bandwagon to begin with. People saw it as pretty useless information after they reread it, and it was pretty much dead from there. I viewed it as pure misguided case, I am wondering what made it different for you? What makes you think that Xatalos is more scummy than Dittert per say? | ||
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
@ HiroPro On April 13 2012 08:03 HiroPro wrote: Because the reason for me suspecting him was his bad case..... Obviously if he posts an actual good case, he doesn't appear as mafia to me. And the case against you has merit. I would also still like to know why you never voted for Xatalos if he was your strongest mafia read. You originally suspect him for a bad case but as long as he posts one you agree with, it makes it okay? Also you need to post your own opinion on vonKlaust's behavior, because I'm not going to allow you to agree with him without any explanation. Why specifically do you think vonKlaust is scum besides the case Xatalos posted? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
@HiroPro vonKlaust has a point, you were the only one of us to initially suspect Xatalos and voted so, but because you agree with his case towards vonKlaus now, you're willing to switch your vote and agree with the person you originally suspected? Also making a decision about lynching someone because he didn't or did vote his target is so arbitrarily illogical. Xatalos voted ArcticFox, now he's changing his vote, I voted for Xatalos because the case he made was bad. The case he made after that was good and showed me that he was reading and thinking things through. He also responded to my post against him and argued very clearly: On April 13 2012 02:35 Xatalos wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm not really sure what to think of your case against me, HiroPro. Earlier KharadBanar made a weak case against me, which he admitted was weak, yet you make another weak case against me and then vote based on it... I can't see a sensible motivation for this no matter your alignment. Do you really think I'm the most suspicious player around or are you just trying to create chaos or something? Because no matter how I look at it, I have been the most contributive and aggressive Mafia-hunter so far. Let's see how your logic fails: On April 13 2012 01:16 HiroPro wrote: I don't like this case at all. You start off by saying ArticFox's posting reminds you of your own posting as mafia in AGOT - this has no relevance at all; ArticFox isn't you - meta from another game with someone else playing is an awful reason to think someone is mafia. And policy discussion that early on with very few people online is perfectly normal. You discredit my case just by saying that a metagame argument is bad. That's definitely false, since metagame is an important part of this game - but metagame is simply a part of my case, not even the most important part of it. I understand that a townie MIGHT play like I would play as Mafia, but it's much more likely that Mafia would play like I would play as Mafia. Understand this point? And more importantly: the several potential Mafia slips from ArcticFox are not condemning seperately, but when combined, they definitely don't paint a good picture of him. On April 13 2012 01:16 HiroPro wrote: Why the sudden shift in tone? A few posts ago, you were 70 or 80 percent sure that ArticFox is mafia, in this same post you say that either yomi or Dittert is mafia, and yet at the same time you have a hard time figuring out who mafia is? You sound like a mafia member getting a bandwagon rolling and then jumping off before it crashes. ##Vote: Xatalos I never said I have a hard time figuring out the Mafia. I only said I have a hard time figuring out the COMPLETE Mafia team, since many of my Mafia suspects are pushing (or at least fake pushing) for each others' lynching. When was I trying to "jump off a bandwagon"? It would be foolish to say ArcticFox is 100% Mafia, since there's no way to know that. I'm just saying he is my best Mafia read at the moment, followed by yomi and Dittert. I'm searching for material to make a second strong case from, but at the moment I'm not ready to push strongly for someone else than ArcticFox. Right now I want to hear more from you (HiroPro), willz22912 and Acrofales to improve my reads. You three have been at least semi-lurking so far... (I also want to correct one misconception about my wording. When I say someone is 50% suspicious, I think it's 50/50 (even) if he is town or Mafia. When I say someone is 70-80% suspicious, I think he is pretty likely to be Mafia. When I say someone is 95% suspicious, I think he's almost quaranteed to be Mafia.) I have never even voted someone even though I had plenty of cause to (dittert, xatalos for the same reasons you originally stated) It's better to be consistent with your vote, changing votes constantly is scummy behavior because it shows that you are just looking for the easy lynch. It's always better to put down your vote if your strongest mafia read changes. It shows that you're not afraid to have a record be kept of you reads and thoughts. Otherwise mafia can just switch around what they say without it ever being clear. | ||
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vonKlaust
Sweden158 Posts
Alright, I see where you're comming from. I do still think it's pretty wierd, even though it might not be totally logically inconcistent. As Willz put it: You originally suspect him for a bad case but as long as he posts one you agree with, it makes it okay? Why did you even think he was mafia from the start if all you had to go on was him making a bad case? Making a bad case is not the same thing as being scum. @Willz I voted for HiroPro because he started to switch around the casuality. And his inconcistancy on changing suspects. On the matter of casuality he claimed: 1. I suspected Xatalos 2. I supported his case. What actually happened: 1. Xatalos made a case. 2. I supported the case. 3. I no longer supported the case. 4. I started to susspect Xatalos. As I wrote before, I can agree with that what he wrote isn't totally inconcistant, it's still wierd. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On April 13 2012 08:09 BroodKingEXE wrote: The problem I have with your case against Xatalos was that Xatalos never had the bandwagon to begin with. People saw it as pretty useless information after they reread it, and it was pretty much dead from there. I viewed it as pure misguided case, I am wondering what made it different for you? What makes you think that Xatalos is more scummy than Dittert per say? Obviously I don't still view Xatalos as a mafia read. The reason why I first thought that Xatalos was more scummy in comparison to people like Dittert, was that Xatalos was an experienced player; it seemed unlikely that he would make a bad case like that. This is Dittert's first game; I would expect him to say something silly early on (RNG voting). Since then he hasn't yet posted much; so I can't really give much of a view on Dittert. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On April 13 2012 08:19 vonKlaust wrote: I voted for HiroPro because he started to switch around the casuality. And his inconcistancy on changing suspects. On the matter of casuality he claimed: 1. I suspected Xatalos 2. I supported his case. What actually happened: 1. Xatalos made a case. 2. I supported the case. 3. I no longer supported the case. 4. I started to susspect Xatalos. As I wrote before, I can agree with that what he wrote isn't totally inconcistant, it's still wierd. I'm not trying to misrepresent what you said. I read your posts from the ones that Xatalos quoted (there was one post in which you said that you agreed with the case against ArticFox and another post that said that Xatalos was your biggest scum read) and assumed that they were all around the same time. That was my mistake. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Ofc I can have you as my prime suspect even though I(probably wrongly) supported your case against ArticFox. I can't see how you think that is wierd. This sentence from you also lead me to believe that you had Xatalos as your prime suspect, while supporting the ArticFox case at the same time. If that's not what you meant, ok. | ||
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vonKlaust
Sweden158 Posts
##unvote For now. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
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vonKlaust
Sweden158 Posts
Now that you know that I didn't support Xatalos while suspecting him, what do you think of my answer to Xatalos case? | ||
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vonKlaust
Sweden158 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 13 2012 08:40 vonKlaust wrote: Did i do that unvote right btw? Or should it be a space between ## andunvote? You done good! | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
##Unvote | ||
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vonKlaust
Sweden158 Posts
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willz22912
United States255 Posts
I'd recommend you be around 1-2pm est tomorrow, I'll be making my case against the person I want to lynch most for D1. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
Dittert (2): yomi, BroodkingEXE trumpetarm (1): imallinson yomi (1): KharadBanar vonKlaust (1): Xatalos The day ends in about 23 Hours! Remember that voting is mandatory! | ||
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vonKlaust
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